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ThePanzerFuhrer

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I’m amazed at the constant push from all directions on the climate change front. This study is absolutely absurd. To say 650,000 kids have asthma solely because of a gas stove in the house is ridiculous.

For those in California alone if you would get rid of you gas stove you could save 354 additional deaths per year!!!! :lmao::mad3:

Hurry up with the ban save the people from an early death!!!



Gas stoves are responsible for 12.7% of U.S. childhood asthma cases, a new study in the peer-reviewed International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health has found. That proportion is much higher in states such as Illinois (21.1%), California (20.1%) and New York (18.8%), where gas stoves are more prevalent.

“When the gas stove is turned on, and when it’s burning at that hot temperature, it releases a number of air pollutants,” Brady Seals, a co-author of the study and the carbon-free buildings manager at the energy policy think tank RMI, told Yahoo News. “So these are things like particulate matter, carbon monoxide and nitrogen dioxide, along with others. So, for example, nitrogen dioxide is a known respiratory irritant. And the EPA, in 2016, said that short-term exposure to NO2 causes respiratory effects like asthma attacks.”

The study was based on a meta-analysis from 2013 on the correlation between gas stoves and childhood asthma, which found that living in a home with a gas stove corresponds to a 42% higher chance of current childhood asthma. Combining that with data on the prevalence of gas stoves, which are present in 35% of U.S. homes, the researchers estimated how many more childhood asthma cases exist because of their presence. As a result, the researchers found that 650,000 American children have asthma because of gas stoves in their home.

The new study follows other research showing gas stoves are harmful to indoor air quality. In 2020, UCLA public health researchers commissioned by the Sierra Club found that 90% of homes have unhealthy levels of nitrogen dioxide pollution after cooking with gas for one hour. A 2020 study by RMI found homes with gas stoves have 50% to over 400% higher nitrogen dioxide concentrations than homes with electric stoves. When burned, gas also emits harmful substances, such as carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxide, particulate matter, nitrogen dioxide, and formaldehyde, which is a known carcinogen.
In addition to the indoor air pollution at issue in this study, home gas use also contributes to outdoor air pollution, another primary driver of asthma. The same toxins that harm children’s lungs while they are indoors contribute to the formation of ground-level ozone, also known as smog, which is toxic. In 2019, the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation estimated that ozone is responsible for 11% of deaths from chronic respiratory disease. And natural gas is mostly methane, which is also an ingredient in smog formation.


Methane is also a very powerful greenhouse gas, accounting for 11% of planet-warming emissions, according to the Environmental Protection Agency. Global warming also worsens air pollution, as hotter weather contributes to smog formation.

Increasingly, cities looking to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions are banning the installation of gas appliances in new construction. Liberal bastions such as Berkeley, Calif., San Francisco, Seattle and New York City have adopted such measures.
Researchers are also discovering that gas stoves and ovens may pollute indoor air when they’re not even in use. A January 2021 study in the journal Environmental Science & Technology found that gas stoves and ovens frequently leak, and it estimated that in the U.S. their leaked methane emissions are equivalent to the carbon emissions of half a million cars.


The UCLA study estimated that in California alone, if all residential gas appliances were transitioned to clean-energy electric appliances, the reduction of particulate pollution and nitrogen oxides would result in 354 fewer annual deaths and an even greater reduction in bronchitis.
The researchers in the newest study recommend two approaches to reducing indoor pollution from gas stoves: either improving ventilation or replacing them with clean alternatives such as electric stoves. They lean heavily towards the latter.

“Notably, ventilation is associated with the reduction, but not elimination, of childhood asthma risk,” they write.


Even many stoves with range hoods, they note, do not vent outdoors — which defeats the purpose — and people often forget to turn their vents on.
Last month, eight senators and 12 members of the House of Representatives, all Democrats, signed a letter to the Consumer Product Safety Commission to take action to protect consumers from gas stove pollution. The letter did not call for banning gas stoves, but instead asking for regulation to require ventilation and performance standards to limit leakage. CPSC Commissioner Richard Trumka Jr. said in a subsequent webinar that a ban on gas stoveswould be a “real possibility.”
 
Our house here in Idaho is all electric. No natural gas lines in the rural area we live in. To install a propane tank and plumb it ain't worth the cost. I sure would like a gas stove though.
 
Not that this guy has an agenda, or anything...

Brady Seals, a co-author of the study and the carbon-free buildings manager at the energy policy think tank RMI

Rocky Mountain Institute (RMI) is an environmentalist think tank based in Colorado. It was established in 1982 by activist Amory Lovins. It has $42 million in annual operations and employs 180 full-time employees. RMI merged with Carbon War Room in 2014, expanding its presence worldwide.
 
I'm glad I had my gas stove and fireplace when the electrical grid went down here, the coldest day of the year, on Christmas Eve. The people who I am forced by government mandate to buy power from fucked up big time. Great system.

Great article I found on how green energy is today's broken window fallacy:
 
"Gas stoves are responsible for 12.7% of U.S. childhood asthma cases, a new study in the peer-reviewed International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health has found. That proportion is much higher in states such as Illinois (21.1%), California (20.1%) and New York (18.8%), where gas stoves are more prevalent"

I would be curious what areas those are actually in. I'm betting traffic, dust, and coal emissions, all by products of being jammed into tight spaces and cities, contribute more to childhood asthma than the gas stove. I threw coal emissions in there because in Illinois you cant generate your own clean power, you have to sell it back to the power company, most of the power up there, at least int eh urban areas, is produced via coal fired plants.
 
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I'm glad I had my gas stove and fireplace when the electrical grid went down here…

X2. When north TX had that big storm last year and everyone lost power for an entire week with temps never above freezing, a lot of folks relied on gas appliances.

My power never went out, fortunately, but I was still very thankful that I had gas in the house just in case it did go out.
 
I would be curious what areas those are actually in. I'm betting traffic, dust, and coal emissions, all by products of being jammed into tight spaces and cities, contribute more to childhood asthma than the gas stove.
I had childhood asthma, and lived in a home with a gas stove. It was my grandparents’ house, and they smoked heavily in the house. Once they stopped smoking in the house, magically my asthma disappeared.

Clearly it was the gas stove. :laughing:
 
I had childhood asthma, and lived in a home with a gas stove. It was my grandparents’ house, and they smoked heavily in the house. Once they stopped smoking in the house, magically my asthma disappeared.

Clearly it was the gas stove. :laughing:
See now your thinking rationally and trusting the science!!
 
Counterpoint....
It is one of the few cases where people repeatedly breath untreated combustion gasses in a closed space and the emissions coming from an NG stove are worse than a modern vehicles tailpipe.
 
Does no one use the fucking vent hood? :homer: I use my stove every day and I am certain next to no combustion gases end up in my house. I can get fish on the stove without any smell spreading through my house. :smokin:

Vent hood on = that's definitely a bullshit lying study
 
Our house here in Idaho is all electric. No natural gas lines in the rural area we live in. To install a propane tank and plumb it ain't worth the cost. I sure would like a gas stove though.
Its not that expensive after you buy the tank unless you’re talking about interior plumbing the gas. Then that can get pricey in some situations. But you can hard plumb on the outside of the home, secure and paint it to match then just stub in for your kitchen stove.
 
Its not that expensive after you buy the tank unless you’re talking about interior plumbing the gas. Then that can get pricey in some situations. But you can hard plumb on the outside of the home, secure and paint it to match then just stub in for your kitchen stove.
It is the plumbing of the propane line from the tank to the area where the stove is in the kitchen.
 
It is the plumbing of the propane line from the tank to the area where the stove is in the kitchen.
Is the stove on an outside wall? If not hard plumbing on the outside doesn’t make shit for difference anyways. I want propane for a stove as well. I am blessed to have a crawlspace in that regard
 
Is the stove on an outside wall? If not hard plumbing on the outside doesn’t make shit for difference anyways. I want propane for a stove as well. I am blessed to have a crawlspace in that regard
Nope, the back of the stove is against an interior wall on the upper floor. The other side of the wall is a bathroom, with all the plumbing lines in it.
There's also a series of cabinets, the kitchen sink, and the dishwasher between the stove and the exterior wall.
 
Nope, the back of the stove is against an interior wall on the upper floor. The other side of the wall is a bathroom, with all the plumbing lines in it.
There's also a series of cabinets, the kitchen sink, and the dishwasher between the stove and the exterior wall.
Fawk. Yup, thats some money to install and have it look nice.
 
Gonna ride the living sh!t out of this in a few months. And sell it before it’s outlawed.
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Does no one use the fucking vent hood? :homer: I use my stove every day and I am certain next to no combustion gases end up in my house. I can get fish on the stove without any smell spreading through my house. :smokin:

Vent hood on = that's definitely a bullshit lying study
Very few gas stoves I've seen installed have vent hoods that go outside. If they have anything its just a filtering fan "vent".
 
if all residential gas appliances were transitioned to clean-energy electric appliances,
So they aren't even going to attempt do a fair comparison, they are going to compare current residential gas appliances to a mythical future in which we no longer get electricity from coal or NG and only get it from "clean energy sources" riiiiiight...
:shaking:


Aaron Z
 
So they aren't even going to attempt do a fair comparison, they are going to compare current residential gas appliances to a mythical future in which we no longer get electricity from coal or NG and only get it from "clean energy sources" riiiiiight...
:shaking:


Aaron Z
The "green energy shell game".

 
So they aren't even going to attempt do a fair comparison, they are going to compare current residential gas appliances to a mythical future in which we no longer get electricity from coal or NG and only get it from "clean energy sources" riiiiiight...
:shaking:


Aaron Z
Hey dumbo, don't you know that the coal or nat gas plant contributes less to asthma than making your kids some Mac and cheese on that gas stove:laughing:
 
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