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The Kamala thread.

grumpy356 said:
That's the beauty of Gaslighting.

It doesn't matter what you see. The spin is so intense that despite seeing it with your own eyes, the media will tell you it was the best performance from a candidate in history, and they will say it with such conviction and so often, the VAST majority of people will believe it.

And why wouldn't they??? They are hearing it from the press, and they were taught the press is unbiased, and an arbiter of truth.
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Combine the media gaslighting with the online shill campaign, and the lies become deafening.
 
grumpy356 said:
That's the beauty of Gaslighting.

It doesn't matter what you see. The spin is so intense that despite seeing it with your own eyes, the media will tell you it was the best performance from a candidate in history, and they will say it with such conviction and so often, the VAST majority of people will believe it.

And why wouldn't they??? They are hearing it from the press, and they were taught the press is unbiased, and an arbiter of truth.
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It's not the press that's an issue. The press is dead, no one is watching the national news anymore, no one reads newspapers anymore. Social media is the problem and Elon buying Twitter was and is a real game changer in that regard.

MuntCuffin said:
Combine the media gaslighting with the online shill campaign, and the lies become deafening.
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This is the real problem. The day after Biden stepped down and she was announced I was getting all my social media filled with pro Kamala bullshit that was clearly bot spam trying to flood algorithms. They're desperate for her to appear more popular than she is. On the other side of that, every one that I saw was filled with comments calling the content out and the only positive reactions were seemingly from bot accounts.
 
east_beast said:
Trump is shitting the bed right now. Just no two ways about it. Dems are riding a high of being rid of Biden and Kamala is fucking any and all policy positions she can and the few she espoused are a complete 180 from what she's stumped on in the past. Trump very well might blow a big fourth quarter lead.
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Trump got played agreeing to an early debate with someone who wasn't officially the nominee. They likely would have yanked Biden regardless but he played right into the dems scam.

And the dems are masters at manipulating the news cycle. The historic attempt on his life was all but forgotten by everyone as soon as Kemela was swapped in.

Either way it's all a scam the way this woman went from irrelevant to the second coming overnight. But, it's probably going to work, and don't forget the 3AM mail-in ballots on standby.
 
Motorcharge said:
It's not the press that's an issue. The press is dead, no one is watching the national news anymore, no one reads newspapers anymore. Social media is the problem and Elon buying Twitter was and is a real game changer in that regard.
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You see the press that way, but a LOT, and I mean a majority, still have faith in the press (and I include META, and Alphabet, when I say PRESS).

You don't, but quit trying to apply what you think to the majority.

If you can't see that people still believe what they say on MSN, over the reality of the situation, you're naive.
 
Motorcharge said:
Eh, a lot of the hype is fake hype and how long will it really last?

The convention could easily work against her as well. She's going to have to give a speech and she can't talk for more than 5 seconds without coming off as a complete loon. Plus they can't keep her off camera, eventually she's going to have to give press conferences and do debates. The longer they put that off the closer to the election they get and the more fresh in people's minds any fuck ups will be.

Plus you still have the issue of ballot eligibility. Ohio may be off the table completely for her and as soon as she's officially the nominee you're going to see lawsuits in a number of states. State eligibility laws may keep off the ballot in a a number of states where even one could be a huge loss for her. There's no precedent here, a nominee has never stepped down this late in the election process which may mean some of these cases end up in the SCOTUS.

Tinfoil argument: That may be part of this. There's a lot of things here that give them fuel for federalizing election and more ammo against the SCOTUS in general. They may have waited this long to replace Biden with her intentionally to force SCOTUS cases to make the SCOTUS appear more political and have another fallout like what happened after Roe v. Wade was overturned.
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She already is officially the nominee. They did the conference call last week or the week before to make it official.
 
He's right about Trump not shutting the fuck up about stupid shit that doesnt matter to most people. His whining is a turn off to most anyone other than his ball sack hangers.

There isn't 5 people in the country that care that some billionaire doesn't want to donate to him, or any of his other personal (and often self inflicted) bullshit between people. His whining isn't productive to his cause and it makes him look weak. When he goes out and claims event pictures are fake, AI, whatever, he better have solid fucking proof that is 10000% accurate. He doesn't outside of some Twitter people. That isn't proof. There are dozens if not hundreds of press, citizens, etc. that have photos and first hand accounts of these events. Something like that should be easy to prove. When he can't, it makes him look like a hysterical loon, which in some ways he is although some of his hysteria is justified with all the shit he has been through.

All the while, Kamala is out there "on message". It's all bullshit and stuff she doesn't actually believe but many do believe her.

Vance and his "cat lady" stupidity isn't really helping either.
 
grumpy356 said:
You see the press that way, but a LOT, and I mean a majority, still have faith in the press (and I include META, and Alphabet, when I say PRESS).

You don't, but quit trying to apply what you think to the majority.

If you can't see that people still believe what they say on MSN, over the reality of the situation, you're naive.
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All anyone has to do is read their local news FB page anytime something comes up. People in general are fucking stupid and only believe what the "news" reports.
 
grumpy356 said:
You see the press that way, but a LOT, and I mean a majority, still have faith in the press (and I include META, and Alphabet, when I say PRESS).

You don't, but quit trying to apply what you think to the majority.

If you can't see that people still believe what they say on MSN, over the reality of the situation, you're naive.
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By what metric other than your opinion? By any traditional metric they're dead and hemorrhaging users. CNN has something like peak viewership of 220k people a day globally, MSNBC is in even worse shape. Newspaper readership peaked in the mid 1980s and has declined ever since. Daily readership in the US for newspapers is down to something like 20 million people which about 5% of the country.

Most people don't actively consume the news. They get trickled down information or they get offhand headlines from things like Apple News on iOS, Google's app/widgets on Android, headlines on browser start pages, etc. Social media and podcasts absolutely dwarf traditional media when it comes to reaching users. I'm also not talking social media here, just traditional 24/7 news channels, newspapers, and radio. The idea that most people get their news from some talking head on the nightly news simply isn't true anymore. Trends and algorithms are what feed what people here now, not traditional sources.
 
Motorcharge said:
By what metric other than your opinion? By any traditional metric they're dead and hemorrhaging users. CNN has something like peak viewership of 220k people a day globally, MSNBC is in even worse shape. Newspaper readership peaked in the mid 1980s and has declined ever since. Daily readership in the US for newspapers is down to something like 20 million people which about 5% of the country.

Most people don't actively consume the news. They get trickled down information or they get offhand headlines from things like Apple News on iOS, Google's app/widgets on Android, headlines on browser start pages, etc. Social media and podcasts absolutely dwarf traditional media when it comes to reaching users. I'm also not talking social media here, just traditional 24/7 news channels, newspapers, and radio. The idea that most people get their news from some talking head on the nightly news simply isn't true anymore. Trends and algorithms are what feed what people here now, not traditional sources.
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I'm just going by my local news FB pages and there are a ton, I'd say the majority, that gobble up exactly what the news reports as fact. Even when you point out the past shit that has been proven wrong, they still just believe the "news".
 
grumpy356 said:
You still have the convention bounce coming.

But let's be Honest who Trump is running against. Trump could beat Harris handily. He WON'T beat Harris, MSN, CBS, CNN, META, ALPHABET, and Every news paper left in the Country.
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I just wish he'd go after the low hanging fruit. Just go after her flip flopping on every issue. Run an ad of a montage of everyone referring to her as the "border czar". Talk about all the black people she unlawfully threw in jail with bogus charges and then fought to deny exonerating evidence to keep them there. Talk about how she had to drop out of her primary bid before a single vote was cast because her polling numbers were awful and how her approval numbers as VP were awful. Challenge her to do some actual real interviews to push her on policy. In the debate, focus on fucking policy. They're fully expecting you to just talk about stop the steal and complain about Biden no longer being the candidate and how your position on everything is perfect with no details. Don't do that shit. But I'm afraid Trump is just who he is. He's gonna do it because he's the snake riding across the pond on the frog's back. He's going to bite the frog. He can't help himself. There is SOOOOO much to work with on hitting Kamala but Trump can't help going after the dumbest shit.
 
Saw that his campaign put this out ala Contract with America from the 90's

This is a good start. I don't agree with every point here and I think some of it is Pie in the Sky nonsense such as "ending inflation" but fine.

Get on the fucking teleprompter and go through these points one by one at rallys and not all this whining, victimhood, personal attack bullshit.

Tell me how my life, and my kid's lives, will be better and then STFU
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Thumping said:
I'm just going by my local news FB pages and there are a ton, I'd say the majority, that gobble up exactly what the news reports as fact. Even when you point out the past shit that has been proven wrong, they still just believe the "news".
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The majority of comments, yeah of course. But take the # of comments and see what percentage of the local population that local paper has as a potential reader base. I bet it's nowhere near a majority.
 
WashingtonMatt said:
The only time Trump gets any coverage is if he says something offensive. Even then, the media has mostly stopped covering him at all. I think Trump probably understands this. If he conducted himself perfectly to everyone's standards, he'd be a ghost.
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Not the worst thing when every time you open your mouth you shoot yourself in the dick. Most people were much better off during Trump's presidency. Even if they can't stand the man they understand that. When he got kicked off of Twitter it largely allowed a lot of those people to kinda forget what a pompous jackass Trump was. Not being able to Tweet stupid shit and give the media constant fodder actually helped him.
 
Motorcharge said:
The majority of comments, yeah of course. But take the # of comments and see what percentage of the local population that local paper has as a potential reader base. I bet it's nowhere near a majority.
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The local paper? Dude....most people don't even get a paper anymore. Hell, most "papers" are internet based now.

But okay....I just gave the metric I was going by.
 
Motorcharge said:
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Most people don't actively consume the news. They get trickled down information or they get offhand headlines from things like Apple News on iOS, Google's app/widgets on Android, headlines on browser start pages, etc. Social media and podcasts absolutely dwarf traditional media when it comes to reaching users. I'm also not talking social media here, just traditional 24/7 news channels, newspapers, and radio. The idea that most people get their news from some talking head on the nightly news simply isn't true anymore. Trends and algorithms are what feed what people here now, not traditional sources.
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Whether they get the news straight from MSN, or trickled down from MSN, it's still MSN.

And my statement looped in Meta and Alphabet from the beginning.
 
east_beast said:
Not the worst thing when every time you open your mouth you shoot yourself in the dick. Most people were much better off during Trump's presidency. Even if they can't stand the man they understand that. When he got kicked off of Twitter it largely allowed a lot of those people to kinda forget what a pompous jackass Trump was. Not being able to Tweet stupid shit and give the media constant fodder actually helped him.
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The ol' saying "there's no such thing has bad publicity" comes to mind. Free publicity is the best kind. No one is switching sides, it's all about motivating your base. At this point, the divide is so wide, there are no independent voters. Anyone that claims to be is either lying or a complete moron, likely both.
 
WashingtonMatt said:
The ol' saying "there's no such thing has bad publicity" comes to mind. Free publicity is the best kind. No one is switching sides, it's all about motivating your base. At this point, the divide is so wide, there are no independent voters. Anyone that claims to be is either lying or a complete moron, likely both.
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But the old saying just isn't true. There absolutely is bad publicity when it comes to electoral politics.
 
Thumping said:
The local paper? Dude....most people don't even get a paper anymore. Hell, most "papers" are internet based now.

But okay....I just gave the metric I was going by.
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I wasn't disputing your metric, I was clarifying what I meant by traditional media in response to what Grumpy wrote.

The only thing I'm discounting regarding your local paper, and I'm including their online presence in this, is that a majority of people commenting aren't anything close to an actual majority of the population. The comment sections, even if they all agree are never going to represent a majority or anything even close it in the area they pull readers from. That's not even factoring in bot influence that heavily comment across the internet to give a perception of majority opinion.

I don't think people understand the size and scale of these bot operations or the influence they have on perceived opinion. The rhetoric around the 2016 election really watered down how much of a threat they are. All these phones in the picture below are being utilized to post comments from a single user on a single computer. There's thousands of these farms all over the globe with numerous people operating in them to spread misinformation and change public opinion.

Remember when Elon was working out the Twitter deal and said he thought as much as like 80% of the user base on Twitter was bots and Twitter said he was insane but dropped the issue the minute Elon started talking about taking them to court over it? It's because the majority of the user base on any of these free social media companies is bots. Trying to use commentary from an online source as an indicator of how a majority of people feel about anything couldn't be less reliable.

Hell there's legitimate academic theory that the internet hit peak usership in like 2012 and the vast majority of content and users is now AI generated content and bots.

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grumpy356 said:
Whether they get the news straight from MSN, or trickled down from MSN, it's still MSN.

And my statement looped in Meta and Alphabet from the beginning.
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I know, but fundamentally the largest sources you're referring to are not traditional media.
 
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