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call howe, give them a pile of money, enjoy a quiet functional steering system.
call howe, give them a pile of money, enjoy a quiet functional steering system.
This.
A simple call to Howe is a schooling on hydo steering.
That's some great tech there guys :rolleyes:
This is supposed to be a hardcore tech forum and your response to the guy is to whip out his credit card? If he wants to try and build a better understanding of a hydraulic steering systems and perhaps put together his own steering, what's the problem with that? Perhaps Howe has the best steering kit around and you couldn't possibly build your own setup for cheaper (I doubt that), but there are plenty of people who put more time ,money, and effort into building things themselves just for the challenge or enjoyment of doing so.
Let's teach people how to fish instead of telling them to just go buy a fish.
That's some great tech there guys :rolleyes:
This is supposed to be a hardcore tech forum and your response to the guy is to whip out his credit card? If he wants to try and build a better understanding of a hydraulic steering systems and perhaps put together his own steering, what's the problem with that? Perhaps Howe has the best steering kit around and you couldn't possibly build your own setup for cheaper (I doubt that), but there are plenty of people who put more time ,money, and effort into building things themselves just for the challenge or enjoyment of doing so.
Let's teach people how to fish instead of telling them to just go buy a fish.
You asked a HUGE question. Ask something specific and you'll get answers.
School you?
Go drive a tractor and look at how it works. Tractors are pretty easy to see all the parts.
You need a pump. orbital valve and a cylinder. Pipe it up and bamm, don't kill anybody.
I simply said that a call to Howe is a schooling in hydro steering. And it is. Every single time I've talked to them it turned into a lesson and I learned a ton. That's knowledge I didn't have and can't be taken away.
One thing with Howe, they don't want to just sell you a ram. They want you to know the exact distance your steering moves first, then they'll add stops in the ram so that the ram and knuckles stop at the exact same time. Less chance of parts breaking and gives a hard point at which the bypass opens. They also mentioned running the lines to the cooler as long a possible. This adds capacity to the system and the longer lines do add a bit of cooling.
Talking to the folks who do this stuff for a living at the highest levels of motorsports is never a bad thing.
Certainly, talking to Howe or any of the other companies is not a bad idea at all. I just got the impression from your post that you were telling him to just go buy a complete system instead of answering his question about pump size.
Starting my buggy build and had a change in plans for the engine. I am using a GM with a P pump setup and was wondering what people are using for the pump to run full hydro steering.
You need a pump. orbital valve and a cylinder. Pipe it up and bamm, don't kill anybody.
The gm p pump works, but its crapshoot if you can get a good one from the parts store. Dad has an original from the 80s and works flawless, even after being ran empty and on whatever fluid is slick.
I don't think they like high rpms tho, he runs a sbc so it's done at 3grand.
so who is this Howe person? they on here? they have a page? kinda wonderin where their shop is..
Thank you for the answers and the link to learn more. Didn't mean to start a shitshow, was just trying to see what people are using and where to get answers and knowledge about a subject that I am new to so I want to do it right the first time.
So am I the only guy that hasn’t been super enthused with Howe?
All these years in and people are still approaching the problem from the wrong direction. Steering is purely a math equation and BII did a bit of it. But still didn’t start with the two most important numbers. Vehicle weight tire size and scrub radius + the type of terrain trail wheeling on requires deciding on how many pounds of output force from the ram is going to be sufficient for your needs.
By now it’s been done enough that there is a general rule of thumb to go by. Some people get away with a scabbed together POS system that others absolutely will not get away with.
So when picking components that are all going to have work together you need to decide how many pounds of steering force you need FIRST. Then, how quickly you want it to be able to steer second. (see BII’s calculation on orbit valves) The rest can come in a few different orders. Cost, life span, are also factors that can vary wildly. There is a simple algebraic equation to run through and starting with a p-pump is like starting with a wrong answer first and reverse engineering your X-Y-Z numbers.