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Hopefully an unattainable scenario played out in my mind the other day as I drove by my kids' elementary school.

This virus is not going away. A cure-all vaccine is most likely unlikely. My wife informed me that apparently there's another Swine Flu getting stirred up and Fauci is panicked? I don't know.

What I started thinking about was the end of public schooling. It's not that great to begin with, but kids get to socialize, they're in a structured setting, and there are some positives to it. But, what if there was a push to completely end it. A small panel of teachers could teach the entire U.S. population. The rest of the teachers could apply to a call center where kids could call-in and ask questions.

The scary thing about this is, it would solve the issue of inner city and very rural schools that suffer from funding issues. Across the board children everywhere would be receiving the same level of education. It could potentially solve the majority of issues with the public school system. Have they been pushing for this under the radar with the want/need to have internet available to every home?

Maybe the tinfoil is too tight, but anymore anything seems possible.

What's IBB's thoughts on this?
 

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Mass indoctrination. Tinfoil.

I have two kids in primary school and my wife is a college professor. Don't see it happening.

A friend of mine teaches kindergarten in a small city school. When school shut down they had to buy 4000 laptops for kids to use, then many of them had no access to the internet. There is also a large immigrant population. Not only are most of these parents non-English speaking, some are only verbally literate meaning they only speak and hear in their native language but can't read or write it.
 

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The thing about sending our kids off to school in the morning is that is also frees the parents so they can go to work.
Online teaching wasn't a complete failure over here but definitely no substitute to having kids attend school physically.

I predict western world educational systems will turn even more to online teaching going forward, both in school and at home.

Kids will adapt, us older fawktards will be less able to keep up with the crap they're teaching our kids. I have a 12 y.o. and I am at times appalled at the shit quality of what his school is presenting as educational tools.
More and more parents will distance themselves from their kids' education and kids will eventually collectively get dumber for it. :homer:
 

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All I know is that unless our school lightens up on,
Classroom masks, no recess, no PE, 100% of their day spent in one room, and distancing, they're not going back to school. I'm not putting them in prison 5 days a week.
I'm not a fan of homeschooling for the social aspect but it may come to that.
I feel for the parents that both work, and not from home.
 

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All you people bitching about the 'social aspect' of school need to get a grip. :lmao:


You know how homeschool kids socialize? By emulating their parents. When you take your kids places, they get to 'socialize' with all age groups and lifestyles of people. It's pretty awesome.



The only downside is a lack of team sports, but as long as the parents care (and try) homeschooling wins every time.
 

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Got my Bachelor's in Ele Ed.

I'll gladly home school over what is being taught in the classroom.

When I was in student teaching, I was warned not to bring up subjects like 9/11, slavery, or any wars. Act as though they never occurred. I cracked open a history book and on the back page it was the Amendments. 2nd read, and I'm not joking here, American farmers have the right to use muskets to defend their farmland against the invading British.

Be involved with your children's education.
 

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Be involved with your children's education.

QFT.
Amazes me how people nowadays get all pissy and claim "that's what schools are for. I ain't got time for all that"
Well then maybe you shouldn't have been so eager to breed your goddamned fuck trophies, dumbfuck.
 

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To many people it's simply free daycare, they don't care beyond that.
 

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Got my Bachelor's in Ele Ed.

I'll gladly home school over what is being taught in the classroom.

When I was in student teaching, I was warned not to bring up subjects like 9/11, slavery, or any wars. Act as though they never occurred. I cracked open a history book and on the back page it was the Amendments. 2nd read, and I'm not joking here, American farmers have the right to use muskets to defend their farmland against the invading British.

Be involved with your children's education.

We are.

I can remember one time we were watching a very detailed, graphic WWII documentary, and my oldest kid was not interested at all in seeing the details. I let him know that he WILL be required to learn and witness a lot of atrocities from human history, and that I find it to be one of the most important things to learn and not forget. We definitely do not hide history from our children and we teach them as much as we can. At 10 and 6, it's hard to convey some things, but my oldest kid is finally asking some serious questions about politics, the constitution, bill of rights, etcetera.

All I know is what I have learned over the past 36 years. This new bullshit education is foreign to me.

I have noticed some things they've been trying to do with our kids' education. Specifically about the environment. My kid came home one day and went on a rant about how this and that was toxic to the environment and we should stop doing stuff to destroy it. I simply said to him, "You know that 2-stroke ATV you like riding around the yard? You'll have to stop doing that as it pollutes the air as much, if not more, than everything you just mentioned." He took some time to ask questions about what he was learning after that.
 

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All you people bitching about the 'social aspect' of school need to get a grip. :lmao:


You know how homeschool kids socialize? By emulating their parents. When you take your kids places, they get to 'socialize' with all age groups and lifestyles of people. It's pretty awesome.



The only downside is a lack of team sports, but as long as the parents care (and try) homeschooling wins every time.

And that's why home schooled kids are usually the weird ones. Kids need to grow up figuring shit out with thier friends and maturing with them. Parents should just guide them in the right direction.
 

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Private education should be the only education. All public schools should be closed and disbanded.
 

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All you people bitching about the 'social aspect' of school need to get a grip. :lmao:

You know how homeschool kids socialize? By emulating their parents. When you take your kids places, they get to 'socialize' with all age groups and lifestyles of people. It's pretty awesome.

The only downside is a lack of team sports, but as long as the parents care (and try) homeschooling wins every time.

Every home school kid I met was socially inept, just like their parents. I'll go as far to say that private school kids are also shielded from the real world.
 

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Private education should be the only education. All public schools should be closed and disbanded.

I think that this could be regional. Our local place keeps you daily updates on the lessons and direct contact with teachers. You are almost expected to be involved. The school even has a "Hunter's Corner" where they display kids from successful hunts. And if you get your picture hung there, its really notable.
 

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Home schooling doesn't "win" in every situation. That is absurd.

Many, if not most parents, cannot and do not have the knowledge, skill, patience, etc. to teach EVERY subject, at a high level, to their students/kids. I would bet most parents cannot do math at a 6th grade level well enough to teach it and just like any other skill you learn, you are better doing something the more you do it. Home schooled kids get the one shot from mom or dad whereas a classroom teacher will increase their level of skill, learn from other teachers, etc.

Home schooled kids are also the kids that have parents that thing that their kid is somehow special, unique, and not suitable for public school with their germs, minorities, and inept teachers.

There are some of those things and not all good. Putting your kid ina bubble where only mom and/or dad are your arbitors of success and probably rarely any failures is more dangerous that germs, minorities and a bad teacher here and there.

Factor in the social aspects that accompany going to school, learning how to deal with people (good and bad), learning to adapt to different people's requirements (multiple teachers/bosses), etc. and being in school offers more that the 3 Rs and sports.

I know quite a few people that home schooled and every single one of them put their kids in school in 3rd-5th grades. Each of them were pleased with their decision to integrate them. Kids were happier and learned much more.
 

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Hopefully an unattainable scenario played out in my mind the other day as I drove by my kids' elementary school.

This virus is not going away. A cure-all vaccine is most likely unlikely. My wife informed me that apparently there's another Swine Flu getting stirred up and Fauci is panicked? I don't know.

What I started thinking about was the end of public schooling. It's not that great to begin with, but kids get to socialize, they're in a structured setting, and there are some positives to it. But, what if there was a push to completely end it. A small panel of teachers could teach the entire U.S. population. The rest of the teachers could apply to a call center where kids could call-in and ask questions.

The scary thing about this is, it would solve the issue of inner city and very rural schools that suffer from funding issues. Across the board children everywhere would be receiving the same level of education. It could potentially solve the majority of issues with the public school system. Have they been pushing for this under the radar with the want/need to have internet available to every home?

Maybe the tinfoil is too tight, but anymore anything seems possible.

What's IBB's thoughts on this?


Generally, it's a great idea for schools to go digital.
I think the school system is a dinosaur. Scary forward thinking: Kids can even just take online classes and either take online tests, or go the "school" for the tests once a month. On "testing day" other things could happen face to face.

If we shift the socializing away from School, toward extra curr activities or activities completely outside of schools, that would suffice (or even be better, because school kids are way to preoccupied with emotions and the other sex and well, sex...)

I full support your theory.


Covid IS the motor behind these thoughts though. And it is going to go away. I will say at the current level of stupidity: 1.5 years.
 

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the teachers union would never allow public schools to go away.
shit, they vehemently oppose charter school, because not union.
 

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I suspect if schools are still closed with online learning this fall, we will see small neighborhood "schools" where some mom who is stay at home already agrees to host a small group of kids at her home and oversee their online learning, allowing the other parents to go to work.
 

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Private education should be the only education. All public schools should be closed and disbanded.

Like private healthcare, how does this give any child not born into "privaledge", or how ever that dumb shit is spelled, have a chance?
Public school should teach THOSE kids how to think critically. Those kids are NOT prepared by their parents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Bourdieu

Bourdieu developed a theory of the action, around the concept of habitus, which exerted a considerable influence in the social sciences. This theory seeks to show that social agents develop strategies which are adapted to the structures of the social worlds that they inhabit. These strategies are unconscious and act on the level of a bodily logic.

In Bourdieu's perspective, each relatively autonomous field of modern life (such as economy, politics, arts, journalism, bureaucracy, science or education), ultimately engenders a specific complex of social relations where the agents will engage their everyday practice. Through this practice, they develop a certain disposition for social action that is conditioned by their position on the field.[SUP][iv][/SUP] This disposition, combined with every other disposition the individual develops through their engagement with other fields operating within the social world, will eventually come to constitute a system of dispositions, i.e. habitus: lasting, acquired schemes of perception, thought and action


ev13wt: Also in this regard, children also acquire this from their parents. Good or not good if not important. It's why a child of the ghetto will be a grown up in the ghetto, no matter their color or "race".

Bourdieu introduced the notion of capital, defined as sums particular assets put to productive use. For Bourdieu, such assets could take various forms, habitually referring to several principal forms of capital: economic, symbolic, cultural and social. Loïc Wacquant would go on to describe Bourdieu's thought further:[SUP][34][/SUP]
Capital comes in 3 principal species: economic, cultural and social. A fourth species, symbolic capital, designates the effects of any form of capital when people do not perceive them as such.​


Bourdieu developed theories of social stratification based on aesthetic taste in his 1979 work Distinction: A Social Critique of the Judgment of Taste (in French: La Distinction), published by Harvard University Press. Bourdieu claims that how one chooses to present one's social space to the world—one's aesthetic dispositions—depicts one's status and distances oneself from lower groups. Specifically, Bourdieu hypothesizes that children internalize these dispositions at an early age and that such dispositions guide the young towards their appropriate social positions, towards the behaviors that are suitable for them, and foster an aversion towards other behaviors.
 

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Do you really think the state is going to put parents into a situation where they are practically forced to see the socialist propaganda that is being taught in lieu of real education? The state absolutely loves that the general population willingly hands over their children with their sponge-like brains ready to absorb the leftist B.S. they've been slowly integrating into the public school systems since the 70's. They've worked hard to take over the school system, some sort of hybrid home/online school system would uncover the true nature of their "education" and too many parents would (finally) fight back.
 

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Like private healthcare, how does this give any child not born into "privaledge", or how ever that dumb shit is spelled, have a chance? how the fuck is that anyone elses problem? Cant afford good education for a child? Then dont have a fuckin child. My wife and I know that we dont want to spend 50k+ plus on a private education, so we arnt having a kid. See how simple that is?
Public school should teach THOSE kids how to think critically. Those kids are NOT prepared by their parents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Bourdieu

Bourdieu developed a theory of the action, around the concept of habitus, which exerted a considerable influence in the social sciences. This theory seeks to show that social agents develop strategies which are adapted to the structures of the social worlds that they inhabit. These strategies are unconscious and act on the level of a bodily logic.

In Bourdieu's perspective, each relatively autonomous field of modern life (such as economy, politics, arts, journalism, bureaucracy, science or education), ultimately engenders a specific complex of social relations where the agents will engage their everyday practice. Through this practice, they develop a certain disposition for social action that is conditioned by their position on the field.[SUP][iv][/SUP] This disposition, combined with every other disposition the individual develops through their engagement with other fields operating within the social world, will eventually come to constitute a system of dispositions, i.e. habitus: lasting, acquired schemes of perception, thought and action


ev13wt: Also in this regard, children also acquire this from their parents. Good or not good if not important. It's why a child of the ghetto will be a grown up in the ghetto, no matter their color or "race".

Bourdieu introduced the notion of capital, defined as sums particular assets put to productive use. For Bourdieu, such assets could take various forms, habitually referring to several principal forms of capital: economic, symbolic, cultural and social. Loïc Wacquant would go on to describe Bourdieu's thought further:[SUP][34][/SUP]
Capital comes in 3 principal species: economic, cultural and social. A fourth species, symbolic capital, designates the effects of any form of capital when people do not perceive them as such.​


Bourdieu developed theories of social stratification based on aesthetic taste in his 1979 work Distinction: A Social Critique of the Judgment of Taste (in French: La Distinction), published by Harvard University Press. Bourdieu claims that how one chooses to present one's social space to the world—one's aesthetic dispositions—depicts one's status and distances oneself from lower groups. Specifically, Bourdieu hypothesizes that children internalize these dispositions at an early age and that such dispositions guide the young towards their appropriate social positions, towards the behaviors that are suitable for them, and foster an aversion towards other behaviors.

Wiki is being lazy. Quote real information.
 

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Hopefully an unattainable scenario played out in my mind the other day as I drove by my kids' elementary school.

This virus is not going away. A cure-all vaccine is most likely unlikely. My wife informed me that apparently there's another Swine Flu getting stirred up and Fauci is panicked? I don't know.

What I started thinking about was the end of public schooling. It's not that great to begin with, but kids get to socialize, they're in a structured setting, and there are some positives to it. But, what if there was a push to completely end it. A small panel of teachers could teach the entire U.S. population. The rest of the teachers could apply to a call center where kids could call-in and ask questions.

The scary thing about this is, it would solve the issue of inner city and very rural schools that suffer from funding issues. Across the board children everywhere would be receiving the same level of education. It could potentially solve the majority of issues with the public school system. Have they been pushing for this under the radar with the want/need to have internet available to every home?

Maybe the tinfoil is too tight, but anymore anything seems possible.

What's IBB's thoughts on this?

I was saying this when this all started, with remote learning you only need a handful of teachers. Looking at my property tax bill, and seeing how 90% of it goes to the shit schools here, I celebrate this. If it busts up a massive corrupt public sector union I am all for it TBH.

You could also have a bunch of private schools pop up providing an alternative as a flip side to the central schooling panic.

I do not have kids for the record.
 
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I was saying this when this all started, with remote learning you only need a handful of teachers. Looking at my property tax bill, and seeing how 90% of it goes to the shit schools here, I celebrate this. If it busts up a massive corrupt public sector union I am all for it TBH.

You could also have a bunch of private schools pop up providing an alternative as a flip side to the central schooling panic.

I do not have kids for the record.

I only pay $3,000 a year in property tax, 90% of it goes to the schools as well (give or take), and I would gladly transfer those funds to a private school.

Home school? No...we don't want that at all.
 

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All you people bitching about the 'social aspect' of school need to get a grip. :lmao:


You know how homeschool kids socialize? By emulating their parents. When you take your kids places, they get to 'socialize' with all age groups and lifestyles of people. It's pretty awesome.



The only downside is a lack of team sports, but as long as the parents care (and try) homeschooling wins every time.

You obviously don't live in an extremely rural area. Getting kids away from their homes and into a public school setting is a good thing for probably at least 10% of the kids in our district. Their home life is beyond dysfunctional, and giving them the chance to break that cycle is great.
 

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You obviously don't live in an extremely rural area. Getting kids away from their homes and into a public school setting is a good thing for probably at least 10% of the kids in our district. Their home life is beyond dysfunctional, and giving them the chance to break that cycle is great.

The ONE thing we do miss about living in a small town was the interaction my children were able to have with other kids. My oldest son spends his days with our 70 year old neighbors working on their farm, or around their house. My youngest still plays using his imagination, but he's slowly getting sucked into the world of video games.
 

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Due to the laws governing how to handle handicapped and learning disabled kids, there will always have to be a brick and mortar public school. A lot of these kids have to have 1:1 assistance all day every day.

Now factor in single working parent homes, two parent homes but both parents work, etc. and it's a question of who will stay home with them if we switch to online learning?

I'm a board member for our district, about to start the last year of my 4 year term. We don't know for sure what we are going to do yet this fall, but have submitted a 3-part plan to the state. We have a town hall meeting planned for the end of July to let the public weigh in. According to our Superintendent, what he's being told is that across the state 10-20% of families have said they will not send their kids to a brick and mortar building this fall. The biggest problem with that from the district's viewpoint is that we get money from the state based on asses in seats. If 20% don't come, that puts us in a serious financial bind.
 

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I only pay $3,000 a year in property tax, 90% of it goes to the schools as well (give or take), and I would gladly transfer those funds to a private school.

Home school? No...we don't want that at all.

I get analy raped for $7500 here on a 215k single family home that's nothing special, and thats "cheap". Goddamn I need to GTFO. Fingers crossed they offically make my wifes job remote, if so we are OUT.
 

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All I know is that unless our school lightens up on,
Classroom masks, no recess, no PE, 100% of their day spent in one room, and distancing, they're not going back to school. I'm not putting them in prison 5 days a week.
I'm not a fan of homeschooling for the social aspect but it may come to that.
I feel for the parents that both work, and not from home.

I’m with you on this.

we signed my 5 year old up for the school summer camp program starting next week. She was excited to go and see her friends again and have some fun. But we just got a list of the procedures and stuff they are following and frankly, it doesn’t sound like she is going to be having all that much fun. Seems to be a good preview of what she can expect some September when the year officially starts.

Campers should be dropped off at the back entrance to Mt. Helix Academy. Use the driveway just past the school on Sev- erin Drive. Wait in your car until a staff member is able to ask the required health questions and check your child’s tempera- ture. If your child passes the health questions and the temperature check, s/he can enter the program. Drop off times are staggered according to the folloiwng schedule: Grades 3 - 6, 7:40-7:55; Grades TK- 2, 7:55-8:10. Campers who arrive after 8:10 must report to the main office for screening and admission to camp. Campers should also be picked up at the back entrance. Pickup times will be staggered according to the following schedule: for Grades 3-6, 2:55-3:05; Grades 1 & 2, 3:05- 3:10; TK & Kindergarten, 3:10-3:20. All campers must be picked up by 3:20.
Health questions on arrival
Parents must be prepared to answer the following questions upon arrival every day to camp:
1. Has your child had fever, cough, shortness of breath or difficulty breathing, fatigue, muscle or body aches, headache,
new loss of smell or taste, sore throat, congestion or runny nose, nausea, vomiting or diarrhea in the last 72 hours? 2. Has your child been exposed to someone who has been diagnosed with or suspected of having COVID-19?
3. Have you or your child traveled internationally, including to Mexico, in the last two weeks?
If you answer “yes” to any of these questions, your child will not be admitted to camp. If your chlld passes the health ques- tionaire, s/he will receive a temperature check. If lower than 100.4 F, s/he will use hand sanitizer, don a mask, and enter camp. If 100.4 F or higher, your child will not be admitted to camp until s/he is fever-free without fever reducing medication for 72 hours.
Symptoms while at camp
If a camper begins exhibiting symptoms, including fever, cough, shortness of breath or difficulty breathing, fatigue, muscle or body aches, headache, new loss of smell or taste, sore throat, congestion or runny nose, nausea, vomiting, and/or diarrhea, s/he will be placed in isolation and monitored until s/he can be picked up. Parents will be notified immediately and are ex- pected to pick up their child as soon as possible. Children may not return to camp until 72 hours after they are symptom free without the use of medication(s).
Lunch, Snacks and Water
Campers will need to bring their own lunch and snacks to camp. A well-marked, individualized lunch box is preferable. MI- crowaves and refrigerators will not be available for camper use. If your child prefers warm food, it must be brought in a ther- mos. The drinking fountain will be off limits but the camper’s own water bottle can be filled on site with cold filtered water.
Supplies
Campers will need to bring their own mask and the following supplies preferably in a well-marked, individualized backpack: package of crayons, package of colored non-permanent markers, pencils, one folder with pockets, scissors, water bottle, sunscreen, and, for TK/Kindergarten students, a rest towel. Campers are asked to leave personal items at home.
Expectations of Parents
Parents are asked to support Mt Helix Academy in providing a safe space for campers and staff by informing us of any changes to their child’s health or community exposure by contacting our school office at 619-243-1400. We encourage parents to emphasize the importance of following staff directions and maintaining everyone’s safety. If not already doing so, parents are encouraged to have their child practice wearing a face covering before starting camp. Parents are expected to wear a face covering or face shield when dropping off or picking up their child and at all times they are around others.
Expectations of Campers:
It is imperative that campers follow Mt Helix Academy policies concerning their behavior, hygiene, health practices and physical distancing. Campers who show disregard for school policies or the directions of camp personnel will be asked to leave camp. Campers must be able to participate at their designated workspace, which will be at least six feet from another workspace, and they must follow instructions of staff in order to ensure the safety of everyone. Campers may be expected to be successful in a group of up to 12 other campers.
Procedures associated with wearing face coverings, washing hands and using hand sanitizer will be practiced on the first day of camp and will be expected every day of camp. Similarly, maintaining a distance of at least six feet from others will be practiced and expected as much as is practical.
Other Considerations for Safety
No visitors, including parents, will be allowed in the building. An appointment will be required for a face-to-face meeting. Face coverings will be required for staff when around campers and others.
Routine hand washing will be encouraged and monitored; hand sanitizer will be readily available for frequent use.
Staff will be cleaning and disinfecting high touch areas throughout the day and disinfecting at the end of the camp day. The HVAC system will be working at maximum air-flow levels to increase air clearance and ventilation.
When feasible, activities will be held outdoors.
I/We, the undersigned, have read and understand these safety precautions for Mt. Helix Academy’s 2020 summer camp

playground closed, water play days cancelled this summer, 6 feet apart, masks all day long, etc.
 

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I get analy raped for $7500 here on a 215k single family home that's nothing special, and thats "cheap". Goddamn I need to GTFO. Fingers crossed they offically make my wifes job remote, if so we are OUT.

Aaaahhh, the benefits of the liberal utopia. If only everyone had the opportunity to enjoy that experience.
 

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I get analy raped for $7500 here on a 215k single family home that's nothing special, and thats "cheap". Goddamn I need to GTFO. Fingers crossed they offically make my wifes job remote, if so we are OUT.

$2600/yr for a 2500-ish sq.ft. home on 30 acres.
 
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