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NPKennny said:
Don’t let that stop you from listing them Sunday or Monday!
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Firstram said:
I really enjoy his show, do list some of good stuff :smokin:
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Scrolling through his episodes, these are the ones that stand out to me - unfortunately there are a bunch of great episodes that I just don't associate the content I remember with the name on the list as I scroll through them all. So leaving a lot out, but if anyone's looking for episodes to listen to, there's some good stuff here:

#34 Cody Alford - Marine Raider/Sniper. 15 year career with a ton of stories from his military experience and life after coming to terms with being back home


#52 Part 1 and Part 2 (2 episodes) Andrew Bustamante - CIA Intelligence Officer. Super interesting talking about media/propaganda, EMP's and how much we're at risk for being hit with an EMP (what stood out to me the most). Probably missing some in my description but remember these both being great podcasts


#55 Part1/2 Prime Hall - life leading up to military, military career, life after military. Wish I remembered more from these episodes, but remember thinking they were good listens. Wish I could give a better description than that


#76 Part1/2 Eric Prince - gave a description in the last post but lots of information regarding foreign policy, US place in the world and how it's changing, threats to the nation, etc. Info about Unplugged phone


#81 Part1/2 Sarah Adams aka 'Superbad' - If you're going to listen to any of these, I think the Sarah Adams episodes are probably at the top of the heap. Former CIA Targeter talking about intelligence operations trying to catch people overseas. 9/11, Benghazi, Bin Laden, Taliban wealth and influence that you never hear about, etc. Fascinating information


#116 Sarah Adams - Second appearance, would recommend listening to them in order but as interesting as the first

#90 Ryan Hendrickson - Deployed to Afghanistan, steps on landmine and loses leg, sent home, rehabs and pushes past people telling him his career's over, and GOES BACK on deployment again
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Along the same line of thinking, may as well post this as well - Jock Willink podcast #300 'War is a Racket'
Excellent podcast talking about the writings of Smedley Butler
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300: War is a Racket

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JR4X said:
be ready for the insane crying either direction
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as it's always been

choosing between preselected figureheads for the monopoly on coercion is always going to get people emotionally going in a way that short circuits deeper inspection about what they're doing
swhy popular voting will always result in the strictest tyranny
 
desertPOS said:
Scrolling through his episodes, these are the ones that stand out to me - unfortunately there are a bunch of great episodes that I just don't associate the content I remember with the name on the list as I scroll through them all. So leaving a lot out, but if anyone's looking for episodes to listen to, there's some good stuff here:

#34 Cody Alford - Marine Raider/Sniper. 15 year career with a ton of stories from his military experience and life after coming to terms with being back home


#52 Part 1 and Part 2 (2 episodes) Andrew Bustamante - CIA Intelligence Officer. Super interesting talking about media/propaganda, EMP's and how much we're at risk for being hit with an EMP (what stood out to me the most). Probably missing some in my description but remember these both being great podcasts


#55 Part1/2 Prime Hall - life leading up to military, military career, life after military. Wish I remembered more from these episodes, but remember thinking they were good listens. Wish I could give a better description than that


#76 Part1/2 Eric Prince - gave a description in the last post but lots of information regarding foreign policy, US place in the world and how it's changing, threats to the nation, etc. Info about Unplugged phone


#81 Part1/2 Sarah Adams aka 'Superbad' - If you're going to listen to any of these, I think the Sarah Adams episodes are probably at the top of the heap. Former CIA Targeter talking about intelligence operations trying to catch people overseas. 9/11, Benghazi, Bin Laden, Taliban wealth and influence that you never hear about, etc. Fascinating information


#116 Sarah Adams - Second appearance, would recommend listening to them in order but as interesting as the first

#90 Ryan Hendrickson - Deployed to Afghanistan, steps on landmine and loses leg, sent home, rehabs and pushes past people telling him his career's over, and GOES BACK on deployment again
www.youtube.com

Green Beret's Deadly Combat Experience of Stepping on an IED and Surviving

Join this channel to get access to perks:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkoujZQZatbqy4KGcgjpVxQ/joinOur next guest, Ryan Hendrickson, joins us this Christm...
www.youtube.com www.youtube.com

Along the same line of thinking, may as well post this as well - Jock Willink podcast #300 'War is a Racket'
Excellent podcast talking about the writings of Smedley Butler
www.youtube.com

300: War is a Racket

Underground Premium Content: https://www.jockounderground.com/subscribeJoin the conversation on Twitter/Instagram: @jockowillink @echocharles @davidrberke 0:...
www.youtube.com www.youtube.com

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Jesus Christ, that guy is a badass.. :usa:
 
zlathim said:
I agree. i was luke-warm on the guy prior to watching the Rogan podcast with him. He seems like a way better choice than Pence.
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Same. Some of his social conservatism stuff runs me the wrong way but he seems smart enough and pragmatic enough not to lean into unpopular things that would hurt him at the ballot box. Better to get 80% of what you want rather than let the 20% cost you the opportunity to do the other 80.
 
Oh yeah.

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Trump pledged to appoint a Libertarian to his cabinet at the LP convention. I nominate Dave Smith.
 
east_beast said:
Same. Some of his social conservatism stuff runs me the wrong way but he seems smart enough and pragmatic enough not to lean into unpopular things that would hurt him at the ballot box. Better to get 80% of what you want rather than let the 20% cost you the opportunity to do the other 80.
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The problem is that with republicans, growth of government and the debt is always in that 20%.
 
Mikel said:
The problem is that with republicans, growth of government and the debt is always in that 20%.
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Typically yeah, but I think we're looking at a very different GOP than what it once was. Vivek has spoken extensively on this in the last 6 months or so and been clearly still involved in Trump's campaign. there might be some up front spending to help correct the course, but I don't think we're looking at 4 years of typical tax and spend pandering you'd normally expect.

I think Trump is very serious about cutting huge amounts of waste, including some entire agencies and setting up someone to continue that in the following 8 years. I really think that's a big part of having Vivek, RFK Jr, Tulsi, etc being out there so vocally on this stuff for him. Generally he delivered on what he campaigned on the first time around, at least to a much greater extent than most politicians do.

Combine that with much greater control over the Party, a lot more of the GOP being on board instead of opposing him publicly, and Dems not having the power to completely tie him up in bullshit allegations and impeachment attempt. I don't think he went through all of the shit he's been through just to get in there again and spend a bunch of money and grow the government.
 
Motorcharge said:
Typically yeah, but I think we're looking at a very different GOP than what it once was. Vivek has spoken extensively on this in the last 6 months or so and been clearly still involved in Trump's campaign. there might be some up front spending to help correct the course, but I don't think we're looking at 4 years of typical tax and spend pandering you'd normally expect.

I think Trump is very serious about cutting huge amounts of waste, including some entire agencies and setting up someone to continue that in the following 8 years. I really think that's a big part of having Vivek, RFK Jr, Tulsi, etc being out there so vocally on this stuff for him. Generally he delivered on what he campaigned on the first time around, at least to a much greater extent than most politicians do.

Combine that with much greater control over the Party, a lot more of the GOP being on board instead of opposing him publicly, and Dems not having the power to completely tie him up in bullshit allegations and impeachment attempt. I don't think he went through all of the shit he's been through just to get in there again and spend a bunch of money and grow the government.
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Big fan of Vivek but it may have been telling that he wasn't on the stage with Trump during his victory speech. I hope I'm just reading way too much into that.
 
Motorcharge said:
Typically yeah, but I think we're looking at a very different GOP than what it once was. Vivek has spoken extensively on this in the last 6 months or so and been clearly still involved in Trump's campaign. there might be some up front spending to help correct the course, but I don't think we're looking at 4 years of typical tax and spend pandering you'd normally expect.

I think Trump is very serious about cutting huge amounts of waste, including some entire agencies and setting up someone to continue that in the following 8 years. I really think that's a big part of having Vivek, RFK Jr, Tulsi, etc being out there so vocally on this stuff for him. Generally he delivered on what he campaigned on the first time around, at least to a much greater extent than most politicians do.

Combine that with much greater control over the Party, a lot more of the GOP being on board instead of opposing him publicly, and Dems not having the power to completely tie him up in bullshit allegations and impeachment attempt. I don't think he went through all of the shit he's been through just to get in there again and spend a bunch of money and grow the government.
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I hope you are right.
 
east_beast said:
Big fan of Vivek but it may have been telling that he wasn't on the stage with Trump during his victory speech. I hope I'm just reading way too much into that.
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He was at Mar-a-lago doing a bunch of podcasts that night. I don't think anyone was on that stage with Trump other than his family, Vance, and Vance's family.

Mikel said:
I hope you are right.
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Same. I'm sure it'll take some time to get the ball rolling and especially with getting spineless Congress critters who are overly worried about getting re-elected on board, but I think overall the RINOs and neocons have pretty much figured out they've got nothing in front of them at this point if they don't play ball. Trump has been a rebuke of them as much as it has been one for the Dems and far left.
 
Motorcharge said:
He was at Mar-a-lago doing a bunch of podcasts that night. I don't think anyone was on that stage with Trump other than his family, Vance, and Vance's family.
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You might be right. It just stood out to me that Vivek wasn't up there because of everyone in Trump's orbit Vivek is my #1 draft pick.
 
east_beast said:
Big fan of Vivek but it may have been telling that he wasn't on the stage with Trump during his victory speech. I hope I'm just reading way too much into that.
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Stage was pretty full, I was surprised with how many people he had up there, considering the threats he's had.
 
Vivek reminds me of every piece of shit "continuous improvement" manager at work. Even the ones that aren't Indian. Also reminds me of when everyone thought John Kasich was so great, except most Ohioans didn't think he was so great. Sure, he won the presidential primary here, but dropped out and has disappeared.

It's speculated that Vivek gets appointed to Vance's vacated seat.

If Trump sat down for a post-election interview I wonder if it would be at the White House.
 
DannyK said:
Almost half way through. Vance is a very smart good regular guy. I hope he becomes President after Trump from 2029-2037.
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Agreed.

east_beast said:
Same. Some of his social conservatism stuff runs me the wrong way but he seems smart enough and pragmatic enough not to lean into unpopular things that would hurt him at the ballot box. Better to get 80% of what you want rather than let the 20% cost you the opportunity to do the other 80.
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This is just a read on the guy after making it through the podcast- I think he's going to be pretty good at separating some of his personal views from his job. He seems like one of the newer style normal conservative guys that for example... who will openly admit beliefs A, B, and C but don't necessarily want to push those beliefs into the federal government. If that makes sense.
 
45acp said:
Agreed.


This is just a read on the guy after making it through the podcast- I think he's going to be pretty good at separating some of his personal views from his job. He seems like one of the newer style normal conservative guys that for example... who will openly admit beliefs A, B, and C but don't necessarily want to push those beliefs into the federal government. If that makes sense.
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No, it makes perfect sense to me and that's what I'm hoping for. I get it, as a devout Catholic I understand that he's going to be firmly against the concept of abortion in any and all forms, even what most folks wouldn't even consider to be "abortion". But he seems pragmatic enough to understand that theres very little appetite for a nationwide abortion ban and going all in on that would be political suicide at the national level. To be an effective politician and IMO a good citizen you have to have the concept that not everything you believe should be enforced by the threat of violence from the government.
 
east_beast said:
No, it makes perfect sense to me and that's what I'm hoping for. I get it, as a devout Catholic I understand that he's going to be firmly against the concept of abortion in any and all forms, even what most folks wouldn't even consider to be "abortion". But he seems pragmatic enough to understand that theres very little appetite for a nationwide abortion ban and going all in on that would be political suicide at the national level. To be an effective politician and IMO a good citizen you have to have the concept that not everything you believe should be enforced by the threat of violence from the government.
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The main reason abortion was illegal,was the church wanted more taxpayers. Full stop. Now its more taxpayers. Same same. Abortion had and has no bearing among most of the voters.
 
east_beast said:
No, it makes perfect sense to me and that's what I'm hoping for. I get it, as a devout Catholic I understand that he's going to be firmly against the concept of abortion in any and all forms, even what most folks wouldn't even consider to be "abortion". But he seems pragmatic enough to understand that theres very little appetite for a nationwide abortion ban and going all in on that would be political suicide at the national level. To be an effective politician and IMO a good citizen you have to have the concept that not everything you believe should be enforced by the threat of violence from the government.
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Something I've been trying to teach my kids...
Know your principles, know WHY you have them, what they mean.
I've outright told my oldest son that he doesn't get to engage in political conversations with adults until he has that down.
Why?
Once you know your principles, you will know just how far you can go on the pragmatic scale to compromise.
Getting 80% of the way to living out and promoting your principles is better than getting 0% of the way there and being purely idealistic.
When you don't know what you believe and why, its how you get 80yo Biden to be "down" with transing the kids and 80yo cocaine mitch to block legislation that 80% of the US in polls would support.
Grnjp92 said:
The main reason abortion was illegal,was the church wanted more taxpayers. Full stop. Now its more taxpayers. Same same. Abortion had and has no bearing among most of the voters.
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Do you actually believe that? You don't think there's ANY other reason?

The opposite argument is those who support abortion just love killing babies. Full stop.
 
Same as priests giving up their worldly goods to the church. And their property's.
 
IowaOffRoad said:
Do you actually believe that? You don't think there's ANY other reason?

The opposite argument is those who support abortion just love killing babies. Full ststop.
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I do. There is a story here that wraps morals around the ability to shape minds. And breeding to gain control.
 
You can only do that once, so where is the long-term income coming from?

I'm just baffled by your thought process. Unless you think that all systems are power, in which case Robin DiAngelo has a book for you.:flipoff2:
 
Its an old story. The catholic church... made rules that said a priest had to be celibate... we see how that played out.
 
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