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Weasel said:

US unveils solar energy plan for western public lands

The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) on Wednesday announced an update to its 2012 plan for solar power development in the western U.S., adding five states to the
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WTF, we can't use it but it's okay to plant solar panels on it. :flipoff::shaking:
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The BLM also floated a plan to put wind turbines across a swath of SoCal desert a few years back.
 
carslut said:
given what i see popping up on blm/gov land around my place here in Jv, its a matter of time maybe months till i see this crap popping up. tons of testing and bs going on next to me. im one of the last private lots on BLM/GOV/State land edge. totally BS
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What are they testing?
 
There's a couple outfits in Maine that lease land for solar farms.
My brother was looking into it for maybe 10 acres that is just currently fields.

Lease is for 10 or 20 years, option to renew, and if not renewed they have to return the land to before condition.
I forget the $$, seemed like it was $10-15k a year.
 
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The US says it needs up to 22m acres for the solar energy transition – here’s what that looks like

The Bureau of Land Management proposed using 22m acres of public land for solar projects – roughly the size of Maine, or an area larger than Scotland
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CarterKraft said:
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www.theguardian.com

The US says it needs up to 22m acres for the solar energy transition – here’s what that looks like

The Bureau of Land Management proposed using 22m acres of public land for solar projects – roughly the size of Maine, or an area larger than Scotland
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"Climate crisis that is both manaceing for people and wildlife". So the solution: cover up the animals habitat with solar panels that I'm sure won't disrupt anything.

These people who are scared of climate change just need to kill themselves. This will probably solve most of the problems they perceived happening.

Like I'm all for not fucking up the earth, litter pisses me off, dumping chemicals and shit in streams is shitty, but this is getting out of hand.
 
I've lived offgrid on solar for 7 years. I have to admit that I'm happy that I've built my array to the point where I rarely run a generator. Total cost maybe around 10k.

So I have mixed feeling about this.

Although keeping areas closed due to endangered species for years and then suddenly allowing that same area to be destroyed for solar is 100% bull shit.
 
blakes said:
I've lived offgrid on solar for 7 years. I have to admit that I'm happy that I've built my array to the point where I rarely run a generator. Total cost maybe around 10k.

So I have mixed feeling about this.

Although keeping areas closed due to endangered species for years and then suddenly allowing that same area to be destroyed for solar is 100% bull shit.
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I'd hope we're to the point that gear heads can see a energy future that doesn't rely on burning fuels, not from a hippy standpoint just that it works.

But closing public land to repurpose it for a solar farm seems to be too on the nose.
 
CarterKraft said:
I'd hope we're to the point that gear heads can see a energy future that doesn't rely on burning fuels, not from a hippy standpoint just that it works.
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Can I see it? Sure. Kindah like how I can see The Jetsons being real.

Maybe in a few hundred years we will be at a point where every machine on Earth is electric. That shit ain't happening by 2030, 2040, 2050... unless some major discoveries are made.
 
Sceep said:
Can I see it? Sure. Kindah like how I can see The Jetsons being real.

Maybe in a few hundred years we will be at a point where every machine on Earth is electric. That shit ain't happening by 2030, 2040, 2050... unless some major discoveries are made.
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If you remove $ from the equation it's really easy to see.
Where the advancement is needed is in battery tech. They are just not there.
While the current lithium variants are light years ahead of where we were they seriously lack in energy density compared to fuels we have.
 
blakes said:
I've lived offgrid on solar for 7 years. I have to admit that I'm happy that I've built my array to the point where I rarely run a generator. Total cost maybe around 10k.

So I have mixed feeling about this.

Although keeping areas closed due to endangered species for years and then suddenly allowing that same area to be destroyed for solar is 100% bull shit.
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I'm not endorsing government spending when I say this...

But I'd much rather see gov't increase the tax credits for residential solar to 100% rather than take on these skunk works projects that will always fail (in part due to transmission lines). I'd go solar in a heartbeat if the quotes weren't $120K (batteries were most of that).
 
rockota said:
I'm not endorsing government spending when I say this...

But I'd much rather see gov't increase the tax credits for residential solar to 100% rather than take on these skunk works projects that will always fail (in part due to transmission lines). I'd go solar in a heartbeat if the quotes weren't $120K (batteries were most of that).
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Yup. Knock down the bureaucracy and let me easily and cheaply generate my own power.
 
CarterKraft said:
If you remove $ from the equation it's really easy to see.
Where the advancement is needed is in battery tech. They are just not there.
While the current lithium variants are light years ahead of where we were they seriously lack in energy density compared to fuels we have.
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For cars maybe. Where the advancement is needed is panel efficiency. Now we’re at 22-25% at best. I have plenty of storage with 19 KwH’s of batteries to run my house for a couple of days and it really only takes up a small area in my garage. The panels take up a lot of room in my backyard though
 
Wheelerfreak said:
For cars maybe. Where the advancement is needed is panel efficiency. Now we’re at 22-25% at best. I have plenty of storage with 19 KwH’s of batteries to run my house for a couple of days and it really only takes up a small area in my garage. The panels take up a lot of room in my backyard though
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Like we said there is plenty of room in the US for the amount of solar panels currently needed to be 100% renewable as a country.
It's laughably small really when scaled over a state like Texas.

Using public land for the purpose is the problem.

700k acres is 2/3 rds the size of the 6666 ranch :homer:

We don't lack for land.
 
Sceep said:
Can I see it? Sure. Kindah like how I can see The Jetsons being real.

Maybe in a few hundred years we will be at a point where every machine on Earth is electric. That shit ain't happening by 2030, 2040, 2050... unless some major discoveries are made.
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There ain't enough lithium for all the batteries.
 
bdkw1 said:
Molten sodium solar generator. The use mirrors to reflect the sun and heat the sodium tank on top of the tower. Cooks any bird that Flys by. Way more effective at killing birds than wind turbines.
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Always thought those were more neat than just the panels. No idea how efficient they are and such
 
blakes said:
I've lived offgrid on solar for 7 years. I have to admit that I'm happy that I've built my array to the point where I rarely run a generator. Total cost maybe around 10k.

So I have mixed feeling about this.

Although keeping areas closed due to endangered species for years and then suddenly allowing that same area to be destroyed for solar is 100% bull shit.
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Scale, transmission and use are the major issues. You've still got a genset to cover periods of need, now scale it all relative to a city with apartments and other vertical integration or small foot print per capita :laughing:
 
Provience said:
Always thought those were more neat than just the panels. No idea how efficient they are and such
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They are not really. If they can't keep enough heat in them overnight to keep it molten, it takes a shit load of electricity to get them running agian. The project has gone tits up a couple times. The GOV keeps bailing them out.
 
bdkw1 said:
They are not really. If they can't keep enough heat in them overnight to keep it molten, it takes a shit load of electricity to get them running agian. The project has gone tits up a couple times. The GOV keeps bailing them out.
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Damn
 
Sceep said:
Whats lithium have to do with undiscovered technology that will be needed to make it work?

Hint: maybe nothing... maybe everything.
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I doubt seriously we're going to get away from lithium batteries anytime soon, so I'm agreeing that there's no way we can go full electric in the near future.
 
SanDiegoCJ said:
I doubt seriously we're going to get away from lithium batteries anytime soon, so I'm agreeing that there's no way we can go full electric in the near future.
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No, you're wrong. Your illustrious leader President Biden said we can go all electric immediately, he said the technology is here for it.:flipoff2:
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I'm starting to look into UL listed equipment to replace my existing non-UL listed equipment, so I'm more active on the solar forum.

Someone posted this same thread and the comments there are surprisingly similar to here.

diysolarforum.com

The US government opens 22 million acres of federal lands to solar

https://electrek.co/2024/01/18/us-govt-opens-22-million-acres-federal-lands-solar/ The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and the Department of Energy’s National Renewable Energy Laboratory have determined that 700,000 acres of federal lands will be needed for solar farms over the next 20 years...
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Bhyte8bit said:
It sounds like a pretty sweet deal with the lease terms and the option for renewal. The commitment to returning the land to its original condition if not renewed is definitely a plus for environmental conservation. Solar energy is such a promising avenue for sustainable development, and initiatives like these not only help in reducing carbon footprints but also provide economic benefits to landowners.
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Fuck you fed :flipoff:
 
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