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Motorcharge said:
Corruption down there is so rampant and so ingrained in the culture that even without the cartels it would be a shitshow for decades.
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I dunno man, open corruption seems a lit friendlier than 'Our Democracy Cannot Result in Corruption'
 
arse_sidewards said:
In large part because rich westerners don't have the stomach for what needs to be done to eradicate something like that. :laughing:
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Do they really lack that?
The cartels are a competing state apparatus.
This is what every war is; states competing over the territorial monopoly (on coercing the populace)

The blue hair baristas are real quick to get their bloodlust hate boner rock hard and throbbing when CNN tells them to.
 
[486] said:
Do they really lack that?
The cartels are a competing state apparatus.
This is what every war is; states competing over the territorial monopoly (on coercing the populace)
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I'll take the cartel that generally only kills in extreme circumstances over the one that will cut your head off, sew it into your stomach, and then go murder your entire family just to make a point.

I'm well aware our government is comparable to a degree, but it ain't exactly apples to apples.
 
[486] said:
Do they really lack that?
The cartels are a competing state apparatus.
This is what every war is; states competing over the territorial monopoly (on coercing the populace)
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My workplace is wholly staffed with highly educated people who have a proven capacity for abstract thinking and reasoning about large complex systems and of the dozen people I deal with on the regular there is one who can grasp these concepts and who I can have a conversation on this level about the state and government with.

I'm slowly making inroads with the others but the point here is that most of the population is incapable of putting two and two together, that stamping out a competing state apparatus is basically gonna take the level of bloodshed on par with a minor war. If they were to sign the nation up for such a task they would have no idea what they're singing up for and would be screaming bloody murder when that shit started coming home to roost.

Kind of like how all the dumbasses who were happy to suck the propaganda dick and give the MIC the political will they needed to get us into Iraq (you'd think the generation that fought in 'nam would know better but I digress) suddenly had no support for that shit as soon as Americans started being the ones getting blown up.


[486] said:
The blue hair baristas are real quick to get their bloodlust hate boner rock hard and throbbing when CNN tells them to.
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I suppose you're could be right but their heads are full of bleeding heart garbage and as a result stomach for violence seems pretty weak when it comes down to it.
 
Motorcharge said:
I'll take the cartel that generally only kills in extreme circumstances over the one that will cut your head off, sew it into your stomach, and then go murder your entire family just to make a point.
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How much of that is simply a reflection of the fact that being the underdog they gotta really step up the "violence as a deterrent" factor because they don't got the bodies and the resources to "police" compliance the same way the .gov does?

Where the .gov might send some thugs to deliver a beating and jail some people the cartel will just show up a week after the fact and shoot a couple people.
 
arse_sidewards said:
How much of that is simply a reflection of the fact that being the underdog they gotta really step up the "violence as a deterrent" factor because they don't got the bodies and the resources to "police" compliance the same way the .gov does?

Where the .gov might send some thugs to deliver a beating and jail some people the cartel will just show up a week after the fact and shoot a couple people.
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I think you seriously underestimate just how much control the cartel actually has in Mexico. They're no underdog, they are the de facto Mexican government. The Mexican military doesn't even go against them.
 
Motorcharge said:
I think you seriously underestimate just how much control the cartel actually has in Mexico. They're no underdog, they are the de facto Mexican government. The Mexican military doesn't even go against them.
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They're not the "the government". They are "intertwined and integrated with the government". There's a difference.

Like NYPD vs the NY mob ~100yr ago.

The .gov runs courts, levies taxes, etc, and can dispatch a lot more resources on a whim. When the cartel does shit under its own banner it's more quick and dirty than when the .gov does shit for the cartel. But the shit the .gov can overtly do for the cartel doesn't cover all the shit the cartel needs to do. Of course they can kinda both do whatever the fuck they want but they'll burn sympathy of the locals if they act like dicks and that's gonna make the whole "be a leech sucking up resources under threat of violence" game they play less efficient if it reduces voluntary compliance.
 
Motorcharge said:
I'll take the cartel that generally only kills in extreme circumstances over the one that will cut your head off, sew it into your stomach, and then go murder your entire family just to make a point.
I'm well aware our government is comparable to a degree, but it ain't exactly apples to apples.
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Public consent is what actually governs all political power.

Which system garners more of that?
 
Yeah you're right I stuck the wrong word in there. I shouda said "public compliance" instead of "public consent"
 
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