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Pj's build quality has no bounds

rockmup said:
Not if I had other options but clearly you bought it.

All joking aside, no, that wouldn't bother me.
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It was a trade. I had my trailer list for $12k with brand new 14 ply tires. Or trade for another 14k+ trailer. I think I would have been able to sell it for $10k, but I kept the tires. I think I did OK. I am stoked to have this trailer, should be more useful for me. Even if I have to modify it a bit.
 
I think it's fine. If you want you could add some gussets to it but here in CO I wouldn't completely box it for rust concerns

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So, with tracks obviously the wieght is spread over a large area. Most track machines only put down ~3psi.

My concern would be hauling a heavy truck for a long distance. You have ~4500 lbs+ on the front axle of many 1 ton diesels. Then you add binders. That's a lot of pressure on 2 of those shitty pieces of scrap.

Or some type of heavy machine with 4 feet, same thing, lot of wieght on those little things.

I think I'll take some 1 1/2 x 3/16 and run it down the outside. Hopefully it doesn't rust out too fast....
 
Yeah, 4500# spread across two tires. Still not a tremendous amount. This section is the dovetail though right? Planning on loading a one ton dually backwards with the front end down on the dove?

If you're nitpicking the supports, why aren't you concerned about that much weight on the 1/8" metal decking if the axle happened to land between supports?
 
You do understand that the main c channel cross member would have to bend as well for the small scrap piece to bend? That cross member is held at the ends so it would have to bend as well. You're overthinking it more than a woman would
 
GLTHFJ60 said:
Yeah, 4500# spread across two tires. Still not a tremendous amount. This section is the dovetail though right? Planning on loading a one ton dually backwards with the front end down on the dove?

If you're nitpicking the supports, why aren't you concerned about that much weight on the 1/8" metal decking if the axle happened to land between supports?
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4500 isn't much, but then you add binders and bumps, a lot more stuff can happen on a long trip than across town.

I don't know what you're talking about, there is no dove, is 22' of flat deck and those crossmembers are like that on the entire trailer.

Trailer decks bend and get fucked up, part of the deal unless you want a heavy ass trailer.

samy crawler said:
You do understand that the main c channel cross member would have to bend as well for the small scrap piece to bend? That cross member is held at the ends so it would have to bend as well. You're overthinking it more than a woman would
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Yes, I do, bending a 3" channel crossmember isnt a huge feat.

It's not over thinking at all, it may or may not fail or bend. But that doesn't make it OK. Not for a trailer company that markets themselves as top of the line.

It's pretty bad that on a forum that used to be fab oriented, that people think that's an OK way to build things.
 
The angle of the pic made me think it was the dovetail.

If you're ok with the deck getting bent, idk what the fuck you're complaining about. With large point loads, that deck will turn into a pretzel long before those crossmember supports bend.

Again, not the best way to address the issue on pj's part, but not the worst either.
 
With the amount of shit I have seen hauled on 2x lumber, I wouldn't have given c-channel a second thought.


Where's the engineers to put this in SOLIDWORKS and run some stress testing?
 
GLTHFJ60 said:
The angle of the pic made me think it was the dovetail.

If you're ok with the deck getting bent, idk what the fuck you're complaining about. With large point loads, that deck will turn into a pretzel long before those crossmember supports bend.

Again, not the best way to address the issue on pj's part, but not the worst either.
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I don't want my deck bent, but I also accept that decks are a consumable. EVENTUALLY it will have dents and dips. 10-15 years from now, I can cut the deck off if it bugs me and ad new stuff. Changing out 50 little chingideras and 25 crossmembers, not so much.

Chevy_man said:
With the amount of shit I have seen hauled on 2x lumber, I wouldn't have given c-channel a second thought.


Where's the engineers to put this in SOLIDWORKS and run some stress testing?
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2x's are a lot stronger than people give them credit. It would take a lot of force to break a 2x6 in a 1 foot span. Way more than it would to collapse a little piece of channel.
 
hammer some pieces of poop pipe in there if it worries you
bingo bango, compressive strength doubled
 
YotaAtieToo said:
It's not over thinking at all, it may or may not fail or bend. But that doesn't make it OK. Not for a trailer company that markets themselves as top of the line.

It's pretty bad that on a forum that used to be fab oriented, that people think that's an OK way to build things.
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Yes you are. Agree with the others and no I wouldn't worry about it.
 
OP sounds like a woman who just can't stop making a big deal out of nothing.
 
rockota said:
are you more interested in being right or being correct?
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I really don't care, I'm not the one who brought it up after 2 weeks.

I can see debating whether or not it will actually fail.

What I can't understand is saying that it's a perfectly fine way to build something that will cost $14k+
 
YotaAtieToo said:
I really don't care, I'm not the one who brought it up after 2 weeks.

I can see debating whether or not it will actually fail.

What I can't understand is saying that it's a perfectly fine way to build something that will cost $14k+
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Yet you get annoyed that no one agrees with you and then double down on condescending comments towards those who disagree.

You’re pretty emotionally tied to being right… with no interest in being correct.
 
rockota said:
Yet you get annoyed that no one agrees with you and then double down on condescending comments towards those who disagree.

You’re pretty emotionally tied to being right… with no interest in being correct.
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Again, I'm not the one who brought it up 2 weeks after the last post.

Why would I back off my opinion on it? Am I supposed to just say, oh ya, you guys are right?
 
I picked up a new 18' 15k gvrw trailer this spring. Noticed the brakes getting weak about an hour into my drive, had it scheduled for it's first DOT inspection so I didn't worry too much about it. The mechanic pulled the drums off and found that the factory had routed the brake magnet wires in a way that made them rub on the back of the hubs, all 4 were worn through and shorted to the hubs, he also found that the wheel bearings were bone dry and the drums were full of blasting sand from the paint line. All easy fixes while he had it apart but it could have been a bad day if someone bought that trailer and loaded up with a skid steer and took off down the highway.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Yes, I do, bending a 3" channel crossmember isnt a huge feat.

It's not over thinking at all, it may or may not fail or bend. But that doesn't make it OK. Not for a trailer company that markets themselves as top of the line.

It's pretty bad that on a forum that used to be fab oriented, that people think that's an OK way to build things.
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take some scrap c channel the same size, weld it to a piece of 1/4 to constrain the ends, and toss it in your shop press with something on top to distribute the load - similar to the crossmember on top and bottom that your trailer has. I bet your 20ton press bypasses or you chicken out because the press frame is creaking before the channel fails.

bending c channel by its self isn’t impressive, but with the way it’s constrained by the welds and the loading it has there, you’re totally fine.

I think the tech you perceive to be lacking from this forum is trying to tell you it’s going to be fine.
 
Opiebennett said:
take some scrap c channel the same size, weld it to a piece of 1/4 to constrain the ends, and toss it in your shop press with something on top to distribute the load - similar to the crossmember on top and bottom that your trailer has. I bet your 20ton press bypasses or you chicken out because the press frame is creaking before the channel fails.

bending c channel by its self isn’t impressive, but with the way it’s constrained by the welds and the loading it has there, you’re totally fine.

I think the tech you perceive to be lacking from this forum is trying to tell you it’s going to be fine.
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I get what you're saying. Either the welds have to fail, or the legs have to deform for it to crush. If I had c channel around, I'd do it. I don't think it would take as much as you think to get it to crush.

Again, my point is that it's a piss poor way to make up space on a "high end" trailer. Well, that's how they market them at least.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
I get what you're saying. Either the welds have to fail, or the legs have to deform for it to crush. If I had c channel around, I'd do it. I don't think it would take as much as you think to get it to crush.

Again, my point is that it's a piss poor way to make up space on a "high end" trailer. Well, that's how they market them at least.
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since when is a PJ a high end trailer? thats like calling a ford escape high end because its a ford and not a kia :laughing::flipoff2:
 
rockyota83 said:
since when is a PJ a high end trailer? thats like calling a ford escape high end because its a ford and not a kia :laughing::flipoff2:
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I would say that it is a step above the low end ones that are welded by blind people in a hurricane with a MIG welder but I wouldn't call it much higher than a mid-grade trailer (at least not from what I've heard of people who bought new ones and were not happy with the quality).

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That looks better than the piss poor option, they could have just used the 'C' bent flat stock stake pocket pieces for the spacer, but they did use actual structural C channel.
 
I have a 2019 20' 10K PJ. for $4200 out the door, Im pretty happy with it. Besides all the wheel bearings being loose when I got it, its seems to be a decent little made in mexico trailer. Then you climb under it and see stuff like this. lol. And yes thats powdercoated. (Not talking about rust, talking about torch cut angle and mig wire thats been powercoated)

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