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Old timers claim that the bomb going off at White sands changed the weather in NM and that we have been in drought ever since
 
Yep it's on the list to see. Both because Cillian Murphy is awesome and because that is a a very interesting thing in history. Oppenheimer was a fascinating guy historically speaking.
 
Oppenheimer later recalled that, while witnessing the explosion, he thought of a verse from the Bhagavad Gita (XI,12):


divi sūryasahasrasya bhavedyugapadutthitā
yadi bhāḥ sadṛṥī sā syādbhāsastasya mahātmanaḥ		"If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst at once into the sky,
that would be like the splendor of the mighty one".[116]

Years later he would explain that another verse had also entered his head at that time: namely, the famous verse "kālo'smi lokakṣayakṛtpravṛddho lokānsamāhartumiha pravṛttaḥ" (XI,32),[117] which he translated as "I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."[note 2] In 1965, when he was persuaded to quote again for a television broadcast, he said:


We knew the world would not be the same. A few people laughed, a few people cried. Most people were silent. I remembered the line from the Hindu scripture, the Bhagavad Gita; Vishnu is trying to persuade the Prince that he should do his duty and, to impress him, takes on his multi-armed form and says, "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." I suppose we all thought that, one way or another.[118]
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Bhagavad Gita​





In the climactic war in the Mahabharata, the Pandava prince Arjuna and his brothers fight against their cousins, the Kauravas with Krishna as his charioteer. Faced with the moral dilemma of whether or not to fight against and kill his own family, Arjuna has a crisis of conscience. To appease him, Krishna discourses with Arjuna about life and death as well as dharma (duty) and yoga in form of the Bhagavad Gita. In chapters 10 and 11, Krishna reveals himself as the Supreme Being and finally displays his Vishvarupa to Arjuna. Arjuna experiences the vision of the Vishvarupa with divine vision endowed to him by Krishna. Vishvarupa's appearance is described by Arjuna, as he witnesses it.[4][5]

Vishvarupa has innumerable forms, eyes, faces, mouths and arms. All creatures of the universe are part of him. He is the infinite universe, without a beginning or an end. He contains peaceful as well as wrathful forms. Unable to bear the scale of the sight and gripped with fear, Arjuna requests Krishna to return to his four-armed Vishnu form, which he can bear to see.[4][5][6] Fully encouraged by the teachings and darshan of Krishna in his full form, Arjuna continued the Mahabharata War
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:hot::nuke::skull::bawling::angel:
 
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Definitely going to check this out.

For years, every time I hear the name Oppenheimer I think of the Bhagavad Gita line.

It will be interesting to see how they portray scientists attitudes when having to convince them to build a weapon instead of performing experiments for the sake of science. Tough moral position.
 
Mikel said:
Modern movie not full of "the message"? Good luck with that.
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last night I watched a bootleg of the newer Ant-man movie. It was full of the message. At one point the Michael Douglas character points to his ants and says something to the effect of that socialism may not be so bad and that we can learn a lot from ants.

We sure can. Ants may be socialist but guess what? If you don’t work you get eaten. Could it be the ants practice slavery?
 
It always astounds me to see how differently people interpret "socialism" across different cultures and countries.
 
The problem that I have with 'back story' movies, and from the trailer this one fits the mold, is that they focus on the internal strife and angst of the protagonist.

Like, who gives a fuck. Everyone faces internal strife and angst. And 99.99999% of us present it to the world as 'what a fuckng day I've had' and leave it at that. Because no one cares.

I want to see these scripts follow the process, the tech, the failures, the breakthroughs. That's what is of interest. Not this cry-baby stuff.
 
plym49.2 said:
The problem that I have with 'back story' movies, and from the trailer this one fits the mold, is that they focus on the internal strife and angst of the protagonist.

Like, who gives a fuck. Everyone faces internal strife and angst. And 99.99999% of us present it to the world as 'what a fuckng day I've had' and leave it at that. Because no one cares.

I want to see these scripts follow the process, the tech, the failures, the breakthroughs. That's what is of interest. Not this cry-baby stuff.
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Exactly this.

But then, it wouldn't sell. It's not a documentary. The former people that research topics (pick your topic) who dive deep, and gain an understanding and know how to present it, without bias, or agenda, DON'T GET RICH for a reason.

It's emotional sensationalism (as it always has been for Whorywood), and of course this is out now when the narrative that Russia will drop nukes soon has been laughed at.
 
Icono said:
It always astounds me to see how differently people interpret "socialism" across different cultures and countries.
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What pique my interest is hearing from exchange students and/or displaced kids about socialism, communism, fascism, etc.
In the end, they do say America (democracy) is the greatest country to move up-
 
det107 said:
What pique my interest is hearing from exchange students and/or displaced kids about socialism, communism, fascism, etc.
In the end, they do say America (democracy) is the greatest country to move up-
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I guess they weren't from where America tried to spread "Democracy" in the World.
 
plym49.2 said:
The problem that I have with 'back story' movies, and from the trailer this one fits the mold, is that they focus on the internal strife and angst of the protagonist.

Like, who gives a fuck. Everyone faces internal strife and angst. And 99.99999% of us present it to the world as 'what a fuckng day I've had' and leave it at that. Because no one cares.

I want to see these scripts follow the process, the tech, the failures, the breakthroughs. That's what is of interest. Not this cry-baby stuff.
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They have those, their called documentaries. The theater, which this is, is about portraying emotions.
 
Icono said:
I guess they weren't from where America tried to spread "Democracy" in the World.
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But how did the students end up here? If this country was so bad, one would think they'll want to do studies in Norway or Sweden- :confused:
 
det107 said:
But how did the students end up here? If this country was so bad, one would think they'll want to do studies in Norway or Sweden- :confused:
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They do. But you wouldn't know about it, would you?
 
I haven't seen this one in a long time, but I don't remember it being bad:

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Fat Man and Little Boy (1989) - IMDb

Fat Man and Little Boy: Directed by Roland Joffé. With Paul Newman, Dwight Schultz, Bonnie Bedelia, John Cusack. This film reenacts the Manhattan Project, the secret wartime project in New Mexico where the first atomic bombs were designed and built.
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clodhopper said:
Yeah, cause it was the agricultural bread basket of north america. So much so it was named "white sands". :shaking:
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What part of the whole of NM didn't get through? :shaking::shaking:
My area used to be known as the pinto bean capital all dryland farming, most farms didn't even have home wells they bought their water in town as it was cheaper than drilling a 3 or 4 hundred foot well.
The town had a Ford and Chevy dealerships, restaurants, a feed store, mechanics, blacksmith/welding shop, several motels, a hospital... By the mid 50s it was going away because the rains stopped, and no more passenger trains. Word is that at several businesses, the farmers owed so much they just signed the title to their land over. It's that way all over the eastern part of the state
 
bigun said:
What part of the whole of NM didn't get through? :shaking::shaking:
My area used to be known as the pinto bean capital all dryland farming, most farms didn't even have home wells they bought their water in town as it was cheaper than drilling a 3 or 4 hundred foot well.
The town had a Ford and Chevy dealerships, restaurants, a feed store, mechanics, blacksmith/welding shop, several motels, a hospital... By the mid 50s it was going away because the rains stopped, and no more passenger trains. Word is that at several businesses, the farmers owed so much they just signed the title to their land over. It's that way all over the eastern part of the state
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That wasnt the bomb. That is climate change. Not manmade bullchit, just regular, natural climate change. Even the Sahara was green at one time, just not right now.


That or NM is just full of shithead people and God is punishing them. :flipoff2:
 
Do they make him Gay or Black for the movie???

Who's the gay character that saves the project?
 
Icono said:
Exactly this.

But then, it wouldn't sell. It's not a documentary. The former people that research topics (pick your topic) who dive deep, and gain an understanding and know how to present it, without bias, or agenda, DON'T GET RICH for a reason.

It's emotional sensationalism (as it always has been for Whorywood), and of course this is out now when the narrative that Russia will drop nukes soon has been laughed at.
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Years ago I subscribed to the Smithsonian Technology and Science (or whatever) magazine. Figured it would be filled with cool articles about tech and inventions and so on. But nope. Achievemnets mentioned in passing for articles about their personal lives. Should have names it the People of Science and Technology.

Canceled that subscription right quick.
 
bigun said:
What part of the whole of NM didn't get through? :shaking::shaking:
My area used to be known as the pinto bean capital all dryland farming, most farms didn't even have home wells they bought their water in town as it was cheaper than drilling a 3 or 4 hundred foot well.
The town had a Ford and Chevy dealerships, restaurants, a feed store, mechanics, blacksmith/welding shop, several motels, a hospital... By the mid 50s it was going away because the rains stopped, and no more passenger trains. Word is that at several businesses, the farmers owed so much they just signed the title to their land over. It's that way all over the eastern part of the state
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So how do you explain the '80s and '90s then and all the unsustainable farming that developed during that time in southern New Mexico? I remember seeing the Butte going over the spillway as a child and irrigating our pecan orchard exclusively through EBID. My grandfather did not have to drill a well until the 2000s. When I was a kid you would hit the water table digging post holes, now it is 20-30' down at his property.

If you look at the historical Las Cruces weather station data which has records going back to the late 1800s, Las Cruces got an average of about one less inch of rain per year a century ago. It might not sound like much to most of you, but when the average rainfall is less than 10"/year, an inch is pretty significant.

The '50s was a time of wide spread drought in NM, but it had nothing to do with the Trinity test. Here are the historical water levels at the Butte which is the largest reservoir in the state (and pretty close to the Trinity Site) for which the dam was constructed in 1911 (largest in the world at the time)
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My grandmother and great grandparents were living in Socorro at the time of the Trinity test and remembered it.
 
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