Odd brake systems

[Landslide]

Another view of a similar brake system in a Tiger tank. I am in such awe of the people who created these drawings....

That looks like a blast to have to service that brake/clutch too.

 

[arse_sidewards]

Park brake on F-Super Duties. It's like a t case/gearbox on the trans ouput.

It's literally just an old school drum brake without the wheel cylinder but ok.

 

[bdkw1]

It's literally just an old school ubdersized semi useful drum brake without the wheel cylinder but ok.

Fixed.

 

[AKnate]

It's literally just an old school drum brake without the wheel cylinder but ok.

It's a complete seperate box from the transmission. Uses its own oil too.

 

[arse_sidewards]

It's a complete seperate box from the transmission. Uses its own oil too.

Surely you didn't expect them to cast a new tailhousing with provisions to bolt on a brake of three different transmissions for a low volume vehicle when they have 4wd transmissions in stock already, and can do a run of the low volume parts and shelve them for use whenever.

 

[Mikel]

This?

 

[LapeerLndscape]

My Timberjack skidder with Eaton t-case has similar on the front and rear outputs. Hydraulically Actuated by a ball ramp, acting on dual fiber brake rotors front and rear.

The outer housing is actually one of the wear pieces the disk pushes against.

I had a Case loader tractor (480LL) with a similar hydraulic actuated ball ramp design.

 

[aczlan]

I had a Case loader tractor (480LL) with a similar hydraulic actuated ball ramp design.

For the parking brake, or the service brake?
We had a 480F LL for a while, it just had a disk (~1" thick, splined center) with (IIRC) a couple of pads actuated by a cable for the parking brake.

Aaron Z

 

[LapeerLndscape]

For the parking brake, or the service brake?
We had a 480F LL for a while, it just had a disk (~1" thick, splined center) with (IIRC) a couple of pads actuated by a cable for the parking brake.

Aaron Z

The service or foot pedal brake. Should be number 21 if you can make it out in the middle of the pic. I think there was 6 balls I could be wrong on that number and you can see the grooves in the plate. The second pic shows the balls better but only 4. They would rust and stick not wanting to release, you would have to rock it back and forth.

 

[AKnate]

This?

Yeah, that's cool!

 

[Mikel]

Kinmont brakes. Another clutch-ish system?

 

[Mikel]

More Germanic oddities.

Reinventing The Rotor: Audi's UFO Brake Solution

As cars have evolved, breakthroughs in one area or another have forced engineers to try and catch up. Following the success of Group B and the catastrophe that was the Audi 5000, Audi was pushing their brand into the luxury mainstream against the best that BMW and Mercedes had to offer with an...

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[[486]]

huh that's actually a lot more sensible than most 'extremely german' shit

 

[arse_sidewards]

Has the nice side benefit of drawing the cool inner air through the caliper before it goes into the rotor.

 

[Mikel]

 

[total newb]

More Germanic oddities.

Reinventing The Rotor: Audi's UFO Brake Solution

As cars have evolved, breakthroughs in one area or another have forced engineers to try and catch up. Following the success of Group B and the catastrophe that was the Audi 5000, Audi was pushing their brand into the luxury mainstream against the best that BMW and Mercedes had to offer with an...

www.fcpeuro.com

Zee germans

 

[arse_sidewards]

Zee germans

That's really cool. I kinda wish they still did them that way

 

[roundhouse]

1949 Crosley: Disc Brake Pioneer

In 1949, Crosley was the first auto manufacturer to offer modern-style disc brakes on a production automobile, but the experiment was not a success. Here at Mac’s Motor City Garage, we tend to take the view that in automotive … Continue reading →

www.macsmotorcitygarage.com

Crosley was amazing guy and company

Check out the Crosley “icy ball “

Crosley IcyBall

 

[roundhouse]

An old boss of mine talked about driving a 20s or so Dodge with mechanical Human powered brakes. Automotive brakes started from there and they improved on a bad beginning I guess.

The early cars had “band” brakes .

Like on a go kart , when you stepped on the pedal it tightened a clamp around the outside of a small drum the axle .

Just like the metal strap oil filter wrenches .
And it was usually just on the rear axle
And virtually identical to the bands still used in automatic transmissions .
The model T Fords used bands and planetary gears in the transmission ,for many years , then they switched to a normal gear transmission in 1928 in the A

When they shifted to drums and shoes , it was still mechanical , with cables or rods , all powered by the drivers leg muscle , same as a 60s or 70s motorcycle , or a farm tractor , the Ford 9N and 8N tractors had mechanical drum brakes .

The millions of Model A Ford cars had mechanical drums operated by rods connected to the brake pedal , and ford used them up till 38 or 39

I think Chrysler switched to hydraulic drum brakes in the late 20s

The Model A’s with mechanical brakes wernt too bad , IF , every component was in excellent condition .
The cars were not very heavy and the absolute top speed was 45 mph .

I drove a lot of cars with hydraulic drums on all four wheels with no owner booster , when I was a kid my father always had older cars , a model A , a Nash Metropolitan, Corvair , and plenty of early 60s Fords and Mercury’s.

And my 75 Bronco had manual drums on all four wheels .
Bolt on some 33 or 35 inch tires and stopping from 65 mph becomes a real challenge .