Odd brake systems

[Mikel]

First time I see this one. 1950 Chrysler. Internal expanding disk brake

https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/chryslers-pioneering-disc-brake-system-explained/

Ausco-Lambert information

Hello all, Looking for some information and possibly a line on any parts if anyone is willing to let them go on Ausco-Lambert brakes. I have a partial set but looking for backing plates and hardware like the springs, ball bearings, and wheel cylinders. My internet searches have come up with a lit...

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[Provience]

That's neat

 

[Will Scarlet]

Nice find, never seen that either.

 

[D Nelly]

I want to say they used to use this on some brand of old tractor. Early caterpillar or Farmall maybe? I've seen it in a YouTube video but can't remember which

Edit

It's a Farmall thing. Jump to 4:15ish. Same but different

 

[M92PV4U]

 

[Provience]

That's awesome. It is a general maintenance manual from the 50s? 1951 is the latest date

 

[M92PV4U]

That's awesome. It is a general maintenance manual from the 50s? 1951 is the latest date

It looks like 1935 to 1951ish

 

[Provience]

Crazy that it took 30 years to go from that list down to the big 3 crazy consolidation

 

[[486]]

the motor manuals always were the absolute best ones

 

[Mikel]

I knew this looked familiar.

This is the final drive (and brake) of a Panther tank, about a decade before those Chryslers:

Any earlier uses?

 

[D Nelly]

I knew this looked familiar.

This is the final drive (and brake) of a Panther tank, about a decade before those Chryslers:

Any earlier uses?

I snuck the video in an edit above. Farmall had something similar on the M which goes back to 1939

 

[Mikel]

Another view of a similar brake system in a Tiger tank. I am in such awe of the people who created these drawings....

 

[Gdogg]

Ahhh, just put a Roadster Shop chassis under it with a Gen III Hemi.

 

[Mikel]

Looking at the balls between the inner disks, which ride on angled surfaces, I assume these brakes are self energizing

a) In one direction?

b) They somehow disengage once hydraulic pressure goes away?

 

[Trick95]

the motor manuals always were the absolute best ones

I got my Dad a few from the swap meet (guy had a table of old manuals) for like $20 each.

You can literally build a frame to exact specs out of them... The new ones tell you to take it in and get it fixed. Like wtf?

 

[bigun]

Dad and I found our Motors manual at the dump aparentlysome autmotive shop dumped all their books.

 

[[486]]

Looking at the balls between the inner disks, which ride on angled surfaces, I assume these brakes are self energizing

a) In one direction?

b) They somehow disengage once hydraulic pressure goes away?

only one of the plates would be self energizing if that's the case, the other one would be fixed to the anchor spider
just like the two shoes in a double anchor drum, really, except it might also self-energize the other plate when in reverse where the drum will not

they probably disengage just like self energizing drums

 

[Thatg9659]

That backwards disc brake looks like a whole pile of fuck that.

I’ll never understand how calipers and rotors, a very simple design, came after a mess of parts inside a drum.

 

[Mikel]

That backwards disc brake looks like a whole pile of fuck that.

I’ll never understand how calipers and rotors, a very simple design, came after a mess of parts inside a drum.

But you have a metric ton of friction material surface. Normal disk brakes did exist back then, but were used in much lighter vehicles.

 

[arse_sidewards]

Being basically a bastardized clutch this is probably going to beat discs both modern and early ones in terms of reliability. Even good modern disc brakes are pretty damn troublesome as far as modern car systems go.

 

[[486]]

I’ll never understand how calipers and rotors, a very simple design, came after a mess of parts inside a drum.

hydraulics were much lower pressure back then
didn't have the rubbers that we've got now, it's also why we're stuck with shitty fucking glycol brake fluid rather than a normal 'oily oil'

 

[Mikel]

Being basically a bastardized clutch

That's a good one.

 

[Mikel]

1949 Crosley: Disc Brake Pioneer

In 1949, Crosley was the first auto manufacturer to offer modern-style disc brakes on a production automobile, but the experiment was not a success. Here at Mac’s Motor City Garage, we tend to take the view that in automotive … Continue reading →

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[Filthy McChevy]

That backwards disc brake looks like a whole pile of fuck that.

I’ll never understand how calipers and rotors, a very simple design, came after a mess of parts inside a drum.

An old boss of mine talked about driving a 20s or so Dodge with mechanical Human powered brakes. Automotive brakes started from there and they improved on a bad beginning I guess.

 

[Filthy McChevy]

the motor manuals always were the absolute best ones

I used to check them out from the Library. Now I have quite a few, got some from Amazon pretty cheap.

 

[muddyrover]

My Timberjack skidder with Eaton t-case has similar on the front and rear outputs. Hydraulically Actuated by a ball ramp, acting on dual fiber brake rotors front and rear.

The outer housing is actually one of the wear pieces the disk pushes against.

 

[Thatg9659]

An old boss of mine talked about driving a 20s or so Dodge with mechanical Human powered brakes. Automotive brakes started from there and they improved on a bad beginning I guess.

The old well we’ve got too much time in this to start over, just add more crap to make it “better”

 

[Mikel]

Another Chrysler. These are strangely appealing to me.

 

[plym49.2]

First time I see this one. 1950 Chrysler. Internal expanding disk brake

https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/chryslers-pioneering-disc-brake-system-explained/

Ausco-Lambert information

Hello all, Looking for some information and possibly a line on any parts if anyone is willing to let them go on Ausco-Lambert brakes. I have a partial set but looking for backing plates and hardware like the springs, ball bearings, and wheel cylinders. My internet searches have come up with a lit...

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Oh yeah, I had a vehicle equipped with them. A 1952 Crown Imperial limo.

These are self-actuating disk brakes. They used the same two single-ended wheel cylinders as other drum brake MoPar vehicles of the period. (Two wheel cylinders for each front wheel - each cylinder pushed one brake shoe.) That dude can use any of those wheel cylinders. Or, try Apple Hydraulics in LI, NY.

These 'disk' brakes worked well but tended to overheat.

That Imperial I had was something. Sold it to a dude in Saudi Arabia because it was like the one once owned by one of their kings (very few of them were made).

Powered by an early Hemi, of course.

 

[AKnate]

Park brake on F-Super Duties. It's like a t case/gearbox on the trans ouput.