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GonPostal said:
Economy of scales. PG&E's Diablo Canyon site with both Units, was originally estimated to cost $689 million in 1968. When it finally got approved and entered into the Rate Base in 1985, it was valued at $5.1 Billion.

Recently anti-nuke groups wanted PG&E to abandon the Tertiary sea water cooling system and retrofit it with another new cooling system. That estimate came out at $13 billion for the retrofit alone :eek:. That's why PG&E said fawk it, and agreed to shut the plant down at the end of its operating license in 2025 & 2026. Gov Brylcreme saw the writing on the wall on power shortfalls due to this generation loss, and rallied PG&E to keep it operating....
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Always thought Diablo was cool because they can do spent fuel transfers in their outside shielding pools. fighting seawater in the cooling system has to be a nightmare. Hopefully they can get that stuff lined or change it over to HDPE. The insane amount of rust corrosion we had with fresh water and salt runoff was always a challenge.
 
Something special about that place...

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Texas97 said:
the interesting part is MOST of the far lefties (except the real enviro nazis that think we should live in a mud hut and be vegan) and all of the conservatives actually agree on one thing and that's nuclear is the way to cheap energy. solar panel farms are destroying the country side and windmills are failing and are awful. everyone knows that.

nuclear is our only way.
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I dunno- if we're throwing federal money at things, it seems like it would be a good idea to invest some in these guys. Might not get results right away, but down the road this would be a game changer:

Helion

 
KacksterK5 said:
Always thought Diablo was cool because they can do spent fuel transfers in their outside shielding pools. fighting seawater in the cooling system has to be a nightmare. Hopefully they can get that stuff lined or change it over to HDPE. The insane amount of rust corrosion we had with fresh water and salt runoff was always a challenge.
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The tertiary sea water cooling system works fine. It was protested about the minimal sea water temp increase that was being dumped back into the ocean. There's a small "plume" of warmer water at the sea water outfall, and a new unique ecosystem has even evolved there. No matter. Anti's want that part of the cooling system gone, and replaced with a $13 billion system instead.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
I dunno- if we're throwing federal money at things, it seems like it would be a good idea to invest some in these guys. Might not get results right away, but down the road this would be a game changer:

Helion

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feds shouldn't be picking winners and losers.

its failed spectacularly with solar companies.

nuc is atleast old tech we know works and id much rather invest in infrastructure here than in Ukraine
 
GonPostal said:
Georgia Power just brougjt Vogtle Unit 4 online in March. Step in the right direction...
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Yeah.

8 years behind schedule and $5 BILLION over budget .

Was origional y supposed to cost $800 million or something like that and it wound up costing like 6 billion

It literally bankrupted Westinghouse .

They filed BK to get out of the contract .

And ga power doubled our electricity rates to pay for the POS.

I am not opposed to Nuclear power ,
I’m all for it, just stop constantly lieing about what it’s really going to cost to construct a plant


France has the right idea

Standardize the design so maintenance and parts and training are universal
 
When’s the next Fukushima gonna happen ?

The Japanese are usually much better engineers than that disaster .

They did nt even have connections at the facility so fire trucks could pump
Water into it for cooling
 
roundhouse said:
Yeah.

8 years behind schedule and $5 BILLION over budget .

Was origional y supposed to cost $800 million or something like that and it wound up costing like 6 billion

It literally bankrupted Westinghouse .

They filed BK to get out of the contract .

And ga power doubled our electricity rates to pay for the POS.

I am not opposed to Nuclear power ,
I’m all for it, just stop constantly lieing about what it’s really going to cost to construct a plant


France has the right idea

Standardize the design so maintenance and parts and training are universal
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Was that was did in Westinghouse? The plant they make that shit in is 20 minutes away, I know some machinists there, and knew a bunch of welders that left when they went tits up. Now they're back in full swing.
 
Texas97 said:
feds shouldn't be picking winners and losers.

its failed spectacularly with solar companies.

nuc is atleast old tech we know works and id much rather invest in infrastructure here than in Ukraine
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Agree with all of your points, BUT- fed kinda is picking winners and losers. Their "winner" closed in 2022 because it couldn't turn a profit. Seems like, at least in the short term, energy generation needs to be subsidized, so might as well throw some at dudes creating actual fusion.
 
posford said:
Was that was did in Westinghouse? The plant they make that shit in is 20 minutes away, I know some machinists there, and knew a bunch of welders that left when they went tits up. Now they're back in full swing.
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No... I don't remember the exact details, but Chicago Bridge and Iron were the original folks awarded the contract. They were the ones that were so behind. Westinghouse bought them (and a bunch of their debt if I remember correctly) and took over management. I certainly am not an economist or pretend to know all the financial details but that had something to do with Westinghouse's decline. But to his point, the project was greatly overbudget and behind. A lot of that was CB&I, as well as, also changing of specs mid-project, government red tape, etc. Speaking to the old timers out there the same thing happened when they brought Vogtle 1 and 2 online in the late 80's.
 
GonPostal said:
The tertiary sea water cooling system works fine. It was protested about the minimal sea water temp increase that was being dumped back into the ocean. There's a small "plume" of warmer water at the sea water outfall, and a new unique ecosystem has even evolved there. No matter. Anti's want that part of the cooling system gone, and replaced with a $13 billion system instead.
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For fucks sake, it was 6 degrees for ours. Fish loved it. The Amish guys used to pay people with boats to come fish there. fucking environazis
 
posford said:
Was that was did in Westinghouse? The plant they make that shit in is 20 minutes away, I know some machinists there, and knew a bunch of welders that left when they went tits up. Now they're back in full swing.
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Cool starry time brah..
The company I work for and Cameco purchased Westinghouse Nuclear.

Westinghouse Acquisition by Brookfield and Cameco Complete

As announced earlier today, a consortium comprised of Brookfield Asset Management (NYSE: BAM, TSX: BAM), and alongside its publicly listed affiliate Brookfield Renewable Partners (NYSE: BEP; TSX: BEP.UN) and its institutional partners (“Brookfield”), and Cameco (NYSE: CCJ; TSX: CCO) completed...
info.westinghousenuclear.com info.westinghousenuclear.com
 
GonPostal said:
The tertiary sea water cooling system works fine. It was protested about the minimal sea water temp increase that was being dumped back into the ocean. There's a small "plume" of warmer water at the sea water outfall, and a new unique ecosystem has even evolved there. No matter. Anti's want that part of the cooling system gone, and replaced with a $13 billion system instead.
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Worked a job in Fl in the early 90s, building cooling towers to cool the water used to cool "nuke, and gas fired" I don't remember the exact amount the water had to be cooled back too but it didn't seem to be that much. During the building we occasionally saw manatee ( requiring a call to the higher ups when spotted) and a general stoppage of work as everone tried to get to the top to watch them. Some of the plant workers for FL power used to set lines in the cannel to catch the fish that seemed to regularly swim in, they even had a fridge in one of the out buildings
 
IIRC, VY originally had a + 3 degree discharge permit, after power uprate it went to 5 degrees. Went from using 2 pumps at 580 MW to 3 feed water pumps at 650 MW.
 
They just did a ground breaking ceremony on one here in my county in WY. Bill Gates is involved, so we know it's fucked from the get-go. Cock sucker was onsite yesterday, unfortunately nothing happened to him.
 
Wheelin66bronco said:
They just did a ground breaking ceremony on one here in my county in WY. Bill Gates is involved, so we know it's fucked from the get-go. Cock sucker was onsite yesterday, unfortunately nothing happened to him.
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I just saw news of this. Apparently a friend's BIL is working on/for it.
 
Wheelin66bronco said:
They just did a ground breaking ceremony on one here in my county in WY. Bill Gates is involved, so we know it's fucked from the get-go. Cock sucker was onsite yesterday, unfortunately nothing happened to him.
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Wait I thought Bill was a big advocate of wind and solar as long as it wasn't in his back yard
 
Nuke provides the cheapest electricity costs but hey will just charge us more anyway.
 
GonPostal said:
Economy of scales. PG&E's Diablo Canyon site with both Units, was originally estimated to cost $689 million in 1968. When it finally got approved and entered into the Rate Base in 1985, it was valued at $5.1 Billion.

Recently anti-nuke groups wanted PG&E to abandon the Tertiary sea water cooling system and retrofit it with another new cooling system. That estimate came out at $13 billion for the retrofit alone :eek:. That's why PG&E said fawk it, and agreed to shut the plant down at the end of its operating license in 2025 & 2026. Gov Brylcreme saw the writing on the wall on power shortfalls due to this generation loss, and rallied PG&E to keep it operating....
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In order to make "green" energies competitive, conventional energies must be made artificially expensive.
 
Coal has been subsidizing nuclear for at least 40 years.

If you look at all in cost of a mW of coal versus a mW of nuclear the nuclear in the past was three times the cost of coal to produce that electrical energy.

I want to spend that money we as a nation throw around on a more efficient nuclear energy or any other source that comes up that makes sense.

I work in the energy industry and our natural gas is products are killing it now because we are switching from base load coal energy to natural gas.
This is costing us all in the long run just like nuclear will.

We have been on top as a nation in some parts by our cheap energy. I hope our kids come up with a better/cheaper/cleaner source so they can stay on top.
 
I was taking an instrumentation class, part because I had always wanted to know how it worked, when you saw techs wandering around all they had was a screwdriver and a multimeter, and my knees were saying they didn't like me strapping a tool belt on and climbing ladders all day!Any how the old guy teaching the class informed us that he had it on good authority that there were 6 new nuke plants approved and they were going to need techs. Then Fukushima happened, he was darn near crying that evening because he said it would be 20 years before the time would be right again
 
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bigun said:
I was taking an instrumentation class, part because I had always wanted to know how it worked, when you saw techs wandering around all they had was a screwdriver and a multimeter, and my knees were saying they didn't like me strapping a tool belt on and climbing ladders all day!Any how the old guy teaching the class informed us that he had it on good authority that there were 6 new nuke plants approved and they were going to need techs. Then Fukushima happened, he was darn near crying that evening because he said it would be 20 years before the time would be right again
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I&C techs were the 4H club

Too High
Too Hot
Too Heavy
Too Hard

The cvnts of the nuclear work force.
 
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