rockmup
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You can own a FA as an individual, same as a suppressor/sbs or sbr. You just have to be able to afford one that has to also be on the registry and pay the 200.00
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NFA headed for the chopping block ?
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You can own a FA as an individual, same as a suppressor/sbs or sbr. You just have to be able to afford one that has to also be on the registry and pay the 200.00
Yeah ☹️. I knew a guy that got sent to prison for having a full auto AK. OD’d on opiates and died the night he got out of prison. For some unconstitutional BS in the first place.
I have a 500 brick from Walmart in my ammo safe from 2000 that has the sticker for $10.99
ScottRS
Not @Rockstomper today
CO is too busy trying to out-CA CA at present.
But as to building your own NFA toys, no, that's tax evasion if you do it without a tax stamp, and building your own post-86 MG's is simply forbidden as you have to have a tax stamp that you can't get because it's a new build. Only transfer stamps are allowed post-86. FFL07/SOT02 combo can make for mil/leo but not for general sale, and must destroy or hand in upon expiration/surrender of the FFL.
Actual practical use, I'd rather have cans than MG's. Interestingly, they're the only thing on the NFA that could be argued as legitimately there, everything else actually is 2a protected arms, and they're only arms because they were legislatively defined as such. I'd love to see the entire NFA go down, but even when giving huge smackdown to the government, the SC danced around not questioning the MG ban.
Then there's state level bad law to contend with: CO blanket bans possession of anything NFA, but then says it's ok if you have a tax stamp. If tax stamps go away, suddenly CO residents can't get any new or transferred NFA anything until that gets resolved in the courts (because at this point, there's no chance of the legislature here relinquishing a little bit of their perceived authoritay), which no doubt will drag for years.
Thumping
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Sometimes you just need to go wide open on the throttle. It may not fix the situation but it will certainly end the suspense.
Motorcharge
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Yeah, don't get me wrong, I want it to happen. I just don't want it to re-ignite calls for gun control. Especially when you've got half the country willing to just blatantly ignore SCOTUS rulings with no repercussions for doing so.Sometimes you just need to go wide open on the throttle. It may not fix the situation but it will certainly end the suspense.
On the other hand, maybe it's a Pandora's Box situation where the market gets flooded enough in short order that it creates an impossible uphill battle for the gun control crowd.
1oddtech
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I'm willing to bet that if the NFA tax on suppressors is removed the price of suppressors will go up $200 or more since no one will have to wait and customers have already been used to paying it.
Motorcharge
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Doubt it. They're not exactly difficult to make, the market will probably be flooded pretty quickly if the NFA no longer exists. Some assholes might be able to make a few extra hundred on them initially but I doubt that lasts long.
Void_of_Light
Keeping I.T. real
Not if it's built after 86. He was asking if he could just build his own, and the answer is absolutely no if you want to do it legally. You can build and own a SBS, SBR or suppressor, you cannot build a MG.
Void_of_Light
Keeping I.T. real
Yep, Before they cracked down on people selling parts, I built a couple titanium ones for under $300.
Mass production would get them in the $150-$200 range overnight.
gunracer1
Collector of fine junk
it would not be on the registry if built after 86.
Runningquarters
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Hell didn't I see some "filters" on Temu the other day that were 5/28 thread for $5?
ScottRS
Not @Rockstomper today
There are enough budget suppressors out there now to where I doubt we'd see a price hike on NFA strikedown. For a while I was getting ads for 5/8-24 and 1/2-28 threaded "fuel filters" on temu and others, and I know exactly what was in the pics (and it wasn't likely to filter fuel). And enough ways to DIY for cheap to where anybody interested enough, can make it happen. And still enough room in the market for the super high end stuff as well. (Edit: beaten to it by that guy ^^^ with the temu "filters")
As to DIY NFA without a stamp, well, yay for double standards: plenty of states have said "do what you want, feds can f-off" but it's still federally illegal. If it's weed, the feds elect not to prosecute; if it's guns, they get all excited to prosecute to the fullest extent. Even the states most aggressive about "feds f-off" don't direct their attorney general to defend a gun case against the feds, which is what it'd take to make that a financial option for Joe Q Public. Otherwise the feds will just bankrupt you with endless stays and appeals.
As to DIY NFA without a stamp, well, yay for double standards: plenty of states have said "do what you want, feds can f-off" but it's still federally illegal. If it's weed, the feds elect not to prosecute; if it's guns, they get all excited to prosecute to the fullest extent. Even the states most aggressive about "feds f-off" don't direct their attorney general to defend a gun case against the feds, which is what it'd take to make that a financial option for Joe Q Public. Otherwise the feds will just bankrupt you with endless stays and appeals.
Motorcharge
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Anyone actually bought those off Temu? That's almost certainly the Feds listing shit on there to entrap people.
No.
I think that is what anyone with a brain thinks. I'd also be afraid of the tube blowing up
Motorcharge
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Weed has only worked because generally the Feds have just left it alone because it's not worth fighting.
The states that have passed similar laws for guns have already shown they're not going to stand up to the Feds for you if you get caught. That said, the odds of actually getting caught if you're not being stupid or trying to commercially sell blatantly illegal shit are pretty damn small. The ATF only has something like 5000 field agents and that includes overseas offices.
DWT
Dirty White Trash
Seem to recall people getting a visit for buying oil filter adapters off of Amazon. People are dumb, you can buy stainless 3/4 male to 1/8 pipe reducer bushings and the proper thread taps and stay off those lists.
Motorcharge
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I doubt you'd have any real problem as long as the hole down the center is enough for the round to pass through and that's easy enough to test before firing. I'd be far more concerned with it being entrapment or at a minimum leaving obvious paper trail to buying them.No.
I think that is what anyone with a brain thinks. I also be afraid of the tube blowing up
I work with a guy that did. The BATF contacted him about it. For a min we all that he was going to get prosecuted. Apparently he answered the question correctly. He said he was going to see if it would fit on his air soft pellet gun. It’s been over two years and they’ve never contacted him again.
He never received the product. He paid for it. Got a visit instead of a cheap fuel filter. Definitely a fed sting. He didn’t worry about asking for a refund he is just happy they fucked off about it. I’m in a safety training with the dude right now
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Fun fact. There are 12 transferable M134s in existence. For only $180K you can buy one.
Runningquarters
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That is one lucky SOB
Fun fact. At one time there where 4 80% M134 frames for sale. If you manufacture it, You should be able to keep it.
Provience
Kill!
Well, good to know then.
The only worth while machine guns use a bipod anyways
When wheeling is outlawed, outlaws we will be
ScottRS
Not @Rockstomper today
I agree that the weed fight isn't worth fighting, but it's still federally illegal. If we're going to have laws that we choose to not enforce, those laws need to go away. Otherwise, they rear up in bizarre combinations of places, like "if you have an MMJ card you can't buy a gun or have a CCW because the MMJ card is defacto proof that you illegally use".
As to chances of getting caught on NFA stuff, also, agree, but it's still an unconstitutional law that has been dodged over and over instead of being properly heard in court. I'm sure we all disregard some laws (speeding, tires sticking out, taillight height, reporting income from a garage sale....) from time to time that have lesser consequences, it's a matter of your comfort level. Philosophically, I think it's bad law that needs to be overturned, regardless of how easy it is to ignore it, or how infrequently or unevenly it's enforced. Keeping it around is just waiting for a round of bad leadership to decide it's suddenly priority number one. A bad law that doesn't affect you, is still a bad law. And with the cyclic nature of politics, don't give power to a leader you agree with, that you'd deny to one you don't agree with.
Motorcharge
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I meant it isn't worth it for the Feds. It's a giant can of worms to open Federally because we're part of several international drug treaties. Outside of maybe Trump, no one has the balls to tell the rest of the world to fuck off when it comes to those treaties.
Generally speaking we just let laws die off as they become irrelevant, it's rare any legislature actually goes back and actively repeals laws unless there's some urgent need to. Though Trump did encourage that to happen in his first term and was successful with it regarding a lot of dated and pointless regulation.
Provience
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Feds have killed many people over weed, what are yall smoking?
arse_sidewards
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It's a shame they don't have a 3/4 NPT thread on them or they'd make great mufflers for small engines.Sir, these are clearly for filtering solvent.
Edit: Back to School sale.
Motorcharge
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Obviously, but it's not nearly as enforced as it once was. You can open a "legitimate" business in any number of legal weed states and the Feds generally aren't going to hassle you so long as you're paying taxes and abiding by state law. It may not be Federally legal, but they'll still issue you a tax ID for your business and treat it as legitimate anyway.
DWT
Dirty White Trash
Keep looking, they're out there.
BDK
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What I want to know is if the court ordered the return on the defendant's property? Walking into the FBI office with a court order to get your machine guns back, that's a good day.