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Multiple plugs in sidewall. Am I retarded or run it?

Drillsmoke

Drillsmoke

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loading my 80 on the trailer the other night after a day of wheeling and got a small hole in the sidewall of my Cooper STT pro (37x13.50r17). It took about 5 plugs w/ rubber cement to get it to stop leaking. Question is, do yall have experience w/ a plug like this holding up offroad? I can pull the tire and patch it, but plugs were easier and I am just gonna use this as a spare moving forward. Run the plugs, or pull it and patch it, or use the Busted Knuckle vulcanizing kit?
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Based off of yall's experience w/ the GlueTread would it work on this cut? Cut on my tire is right at the edge of a raised lug on the sidewall. Patch would probably have to span from the non-raised part of the sidewall to the raised part of the side lug. Inside patch will be easy.
 
Ok, I Just watched some videos and answered my own question. I just need to grind the raised part of the lug down so the whole application area is flat. I'll order a kit and report back on how it works!

2nd question: Have y'all driven a GluePatch repaired tire on road (sub-45 mph around town)?
 
Drillsmoke said:
Ok, I Just watched some videos and answered my own question. I just need to grind the raised part of the lug down so the whole application area is flat. I'll order a kit and report back on how it works!

2nd question: Have y'all driven a GluePatch repaired tire on road (sub-45 mph around town)?
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I have, drove home 3 hours on the freeway. Not the smartest thing to do. But around town I’d give it a shot, put that patched tire in the rear. It will work best ground smooth, clean as can be and if the tire isn’t dry rotted. I didn’t use the activator or whatever came with the glue treads just the glue. People that have used the treads also say don’t use it.
 
NorCalJalopy said:
I have, drove home 3 hours on the freeway. Not the smartest thing to do. But around town I’d give it a shot, put that patched tire in the rear. It will work best ground smooth, clean as can be and if the tire isn’t dry rotted. I didn’t use the activator or whatever came with the glue treads just the glue. People that have used the treads also say don’t use it.
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10:4. I can throw it on the rear if I have to use it as a spare. And tire is only 2 years old so no dry rot at all.
 
Curious what air pressure folks run when they have a bunch of plugs in the tire?

I think I would run a medium-level pressure if I was rolling around town like that...
 
I had HORRIBLE luck with the Busted Knuckle stuff. Did everything to the letter in the instructions. Left the tire inside the house for 24 hours before and 48 hours after it was applied and it still didnt hold. . I talked to Jake and Matt about it and we came to conclusion it was because I was running older BFG KM2's and the compound was not agreeable with the mixture. Not sure if the Coopers are the same or not but something to keep in mind.
 
slveryotabuggy said:
I had HORRIBLE luck with the Busted Knuckle stuff. Did everything to the letter in the instructions. Left the tire inside the house for 24 hours before and 48 hours after it was applied and it still didnt hold. . I talked to Jake and Matt about it and we came to conclusion it was because I was running older BFG KM2's and the compound was not agreeable with the mixture. Not sure if the Coopers are the same or not but something to keep in mind.
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Didn't work for me on 39 Reds either. Problem was after it failed, I had a big ass hole in the tire that cost me more to have it vulcanized.
 
white-rhino said:
Didn't work for me on 39 Reds either. Problem was after it failed, I had a big ass hole in the tire that cost me more to have it vulcanized.
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I went back and found it but I started another thread on another forum about this. BK actually comments in it towards the end about not using it on reds. Here's the thread with some step by steps and some talk about it.


Cold vulcanizing from Busted Knuckle Off Road

I’m doing this from a computer and trying to get Tapatalk to load pics so bear with me please. Something that 90% of us have had to do, vulcanize a tire. The closest place to me that does it is 1.5 hours away and they close at 5 which means I’d have to take off work, go up there, then take...
www.hardlinecrawlers.com
 
Drillsmoke said:
loading my 80 on the trailer the other night after a day of wheeling and got a small hole in the sidewall of my Cooper STT pro (37x13.50r17). It took about 5 plugs w/ rubber cement to get it to stop leaking. Question is, do yall have experience w/ a plug like this holding up offroad? I can pull the tire and patch it, but plugs were easier and I am just gonna use this as a spare moving forward. Run the plugs, or pull it and patch it, or use the Busted Knuckle vulcanizing kit?
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That ain’t shit from what we’ve done in the past for trail fixers. Once home tho the tire would get repaired vulcanizing process from my tire guy.
 
Buddy gashed a 34" LTB, took around a dozen plugs. Ran it for a couple years, then had it vulcanized with an internal patch and has run it for a few more years since. Beadlocks, single digit psi.
 
I had like 10 plugs in the sidewall of a 40" ground hawg. Ran ot daily for a year untill 1 day the entire chunk flew out at 70 on the freeway
 
I caught a steel T post in basically the same spot as you. I stuffed a half dozen or so plugs in it and it held for several years. This was low pressures though. No highway use. I did take a few backroads to get to the trail but it was under 30 mph usually.
 
Squamch said:
Buddy gashed a 34" LTB, took around a dozen plugs. Ran it for a couple years, then had it vulcanized with an internal patch and has run it for a few more years since. Beadlocks, single digit psi.
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good to know. maybe ill just buy the patch kit, but leave the plugs in until they fail at a really inconvenient time!
 
my side wall plugs would fall out when i was wheeling because the side wall would scrub a bank, tree or what ever. then green slime would fly all over the place till i plugged it again. but i kept that tire going for several more trips into the trails. i like the idea of inside patch and glue and such.
mine was crazy close to the bead and may have went under the bead lock ring so i never tried the inside patch

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I’ve had pretty good luck with a cheap vulcanizer on multiple sidewalls tears.

Definitely better than spittin plugs out every time the sidewall flexes/squishes while wheelin with low pressure.
 

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James said:
I’ve had pretty good luck with a cheap vulcanizer on multiple sidewalls tears.

Definitely better than spittin plugs out every time the sidewall flexes/squishes while wheelin with low pressure.
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How well would this work for a sidewall gash down to the cords, but the tire still holds air, about the size of 2 quarters? I have another tire with a plug I may confirm fixing with one of these.
 
so this brings up a topic of air pressure or lack of it what caused the pinch. what do alot of you run in the south east because you have to bounce or shall i sat not crawl? west coast i feel like you have traction and lower pressure because your not giving it the beans to go up a ledge or rock face, but mud cover rocks you need to give it the beans. too low and pinch sidewall. out west i bet you run run 4-6 on a 4k rig and east 10-15 psi?
anyway just random Friday thought
 
chaplinfj60 said:
so this brings up a topic of air pressure or lack of it what caused the pinch. what do alot of you run in the south east because you have to bounce or shall i sat not crawl? west coast i feel like you have traction and lower pressure because your not giving it the beans to go up a ledge or rock face, but mud cover rocks you need to give it the beans. too low and pinch sidewall. out west i bet you run run 4-6 on a 4k rig and east 10-15 psi?
anyway just random Friday thought
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Does KoH count as West coast?🤔
 
Racing is different CDA 455 II my buddy who has raced KOH has wildly different air pressures when trail wheeling hammer trails vs racing KOH.

The pinch flat thing is interesting. I ran really low pressure on a 7k rig and cut every type of tire I’ve run minus my current set. Looking back I wonder if I pinch flatted most of my tires. 8-10 psi for a 7k rig on west coast trails is probably 4-5 for a rig in the 4k weight you mentioned chaplinfj60

My current set is so much stiffer (Mickey Thompson Baja pro xs) that 8-10 just doesn’t bulge out nearly as much as my old sets
 
chaplinfj60 said:
so this brings up a topic of air pressure or lack of it what caused the pinch. what do alot of you run in the south east because you have to bounce or shall i sat not crawl? west coast i feel like you have traction and lower pressure because your not giving it the beans to go up a ledge or rock face, but mud cover rocks you need to give it the beans. too low and pinch sidewall. out west i bet you run run 4-6 on a 4k rig and east 10-15 psi?
anyway just random Friday thought
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I've observed just the opposite. East coast I have typically run 6-8 psi on stickies. But I'm not a rock bouncer. Here we need to get our tires to fold over / wrap around wet rocks and logs to get enough traction. That's not needed as much out west due to the raw traction on the sandpaper rock. Out west I've gotten wedged and off camber MORE where I am folding over a tire and guys like woody would be telling me I should be running 10 minimum.

I'm not one to give it the beans very often but I have folded a low psi tire and cut a sidewall. Seems like I was doing it about once a year with my reds. Since I went to SX stickies I haven't had as much of a problem - still running 6-8.
 
nOOB question:
How much difference does if make with tire load rating vs vehicle weight?

Example:
Bronco: 5,500lbs

Tire - Goodyear 41X14
Load rating = 6,395lbs
vs
Tire - Toyo 40X14
Load rating = 4,500lbs
 
My rig is 4200 lbs. East coast 7 ft and 6 rear is magical on natural terrain. On dry rock and crete like the comp course at RC I ran 12/10 so tires wouldn't fold. I've never pinch flatted but I've cracked inner beads.

Edit: with 40" treps
 
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The magic tire pressure we run is around 7-10. I run more if you are busting through trees. The more plys the less pressure you can run.

I do Hot Vulcanizing on the side. BFG's are my number one customers. :laughing::flipoff2:
 

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