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4runner

4runner

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Ruled a good shoot.
I find it odd that they released the name of lead atf agent.

Joshua James


Odd, they never seem to let the names out
 
28 seconds?

Is that what is considered a reasonable amount of time to respond to a knock at your door? Or else...
 
Yota Up said:
28 seconds?

Is that what is considered a reasonable amount of time to respond to a knock at your door? Or else...
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I disconnected my doorbell two years ago and haven’t got around to fixing it yet guess I’m living dangerously now

They fully intended to kill him. They had a tracker on his car and he couldn’t exactly destroy evidence if he found out they were onto him. Instead of just grabbing him on his way to work while they raided his house they shot him dead after a no knock raid. At least if it’s criminals invading your house you have a chance to survive
 
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BigBurt said:
I disconnected my doorbell two years ago and haven’t got around to fixing it yet guess I’m living dangerously now

They fully intended to kill him. They had a tracker on his car and he couldn’t exactly destroy evidence if he found out they were onto him. Instead of just grabbing him on his way to work while they raided his house they shot him dead after a no knock raid. At least if it’s criminals invading your house you have a chance to survive
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Those were criminals that invaded his house.
 
Yota Up said:
28 seconds?

Is that what is considered a reasonable amount of time to respond to a knock at your door? Or else...
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You never watched 'cops' on tv when they are doing raids? It usually went something like this;
<KNOCK><KNOCK>"POLICE OPEN THE DOOR" battering ram engaged. Everybody piles in screaming different things at the same time ie: Don't move and get on the ground.
Right there, conflicting demands from some trigger happy jokeys.
 
GM Guy said:
You never watched 'cops' on tv when they are doing raids? It usually went something like this;
<KNOCK><KNOCK>"POLICE OPEN THE DOOR" battering ram engaged. Everybody piles in screaming different things at the same time ie: Don't move and get on the ground.
Right there, conflicting demands from some trigger happy jokeys.
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Or like Daniel Shaver where they made him dance like a monkey and then shot him after a slight arm movement as he fell down rather than just securing the scene like a competent person would do
 
GM Guy said:
You never watched 'cops' on tv when they are doing raids? It usually went something like this;
<KNOCK><KNOCK>"POLICE OPEN THE DOOR" battering ram engaged. Everybody piles in screaming different things at the same time ie: Don't move and get on the ground.
Right there, conflicting demands from some trigger happy jokeys.
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BigBurt said:
Or like Daniel Shaver where they made him dance like a monkey and then shot him after a slight arm movement as he fell down rather than just securing the scene like a competent person would do
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So moral of the story, go out guns blazing because if you are going to die anyway, may as well take some shit bag pigs with you
 
Boss said:
I just tell them to go away. :lmao:
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Slander said:
So moral of the story, go out guns blazing because if you are going to die anyway, may as well take some shit bag pigs with you
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I can not argue this, as it seems to be predetermined outcome when a no knock is happing to you as they're all giddy with the excitement of a state sanctioned murder.
 
FJC11 said:
I can not argue this, as it seems to be predetermined outcome when a no knock is happing to you as they're all giddy with the excitement of a state sanctioned murder.
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Only way to survive would be like on Law Abiding Citizen. Butt naked, way in the middle of the room, hands on your heads, while being on your knees or flat on your belly.

Which everyone is ready for that at 2am.
 
FleshEater said:
Only way to survive would be like on Law Abiding Citizen. Butt naked, way in the middle of the room, hands on your heads, while being on your knees or flat on your belly.

Which everyone is ready for that at 2am.
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Remember that one that this kid got murdered by a asshole cop in hotel hallway while complying and pleading for his life while on his belly?

This is where we are at these days.
 
BigBurt said:
Or like Daniel Shaver where they made him dance like a monkey and then shot him after a slight arm movement as he fell down rather than just securing the scene like a competent person would do
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He was crawling, crying, pleading. He reached back to pull up his shorts up once, they yelled not to reach back. His right arm moved in what would be a normal hands and knees crawling situation and the "You're Fucked" Dust Cover guy started the shooting and claimed it was him reaching for something.
But hey, his wife got $8M, all good. Right?

FJC11 said:
Remember that one that this kid got murdered by a asshole cop in hotel hallway while complying and pleading for his life while on his belly?

This is where we are at these days.
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See above.

Was going to type it all out. This is faster. Doesn't show his arm movement they claim was him reaching for something. It is out there.
 

Timeline of raid​

  • Pre-raid: ATF agents can be seen on the home's doorbell camera covering up the camera
  • 6:02:58 a.m. A Little Rock patrol officer use his car's lights and siren to announce the presence of law enforcement
  • 6:02:59 a.m. ATF agents began knocking on the front door
  • 6:03:27 a.m. Agents use a ram to breach the door
  • 6:03:43 a.m. Malinowski fires the first of four shots from his Colt Defender .45 caliber semi-automatic handgun
  • 6:03:44 a.m. An ATF agent returns fire and is injured, shooting three times from his M4
  • Post-raid: Arkansas State Police officials search the home and surrounding area for evidence and interview witnesses

Justified force explanation​

Jones said in the press release that Arkansas law states a law enforcement officer is "justified in using deadly physical force if the officer reasonably believes that the use of force is necessary to defend himself or a third person from the use of deadly force."
Officers reportedly identified themselves by knocking on the front door and flashing the lights and sirens on a patrol vehicle before entering the home.

Officers were also wearing attire that readily identified them as either "ATF" or "POLICE" and so when the first agent was shot by Malinowski, Jones contends this gave the second agent a "reasonable belief" to use deadly force and return fire.
"Therefore, the use of deadly force by [the ATF agent] was in accordance with Arkansas and was justified," Jones said.
To read the full letter, click here.
 
Questions:

Was the lettering on the law enforcement jackets visible? Do they have to have a license plate light over the lettering? Or fluorescent lettering?

Were the lights on the police cruiser visible to the homeowner? Why would he have thought they were meant for him?

Did the ATF voices overlap, causing issues with clarity? How do you prove the homeowner knew they were police and intentionally shot at them?
 
Ditchrunner said:
Questions:

Was the lettering on the law enforcement jackets visible? Do they have to have a license plate light over the lettering? Or fluorescent lettering?

Were the lights on the police cruiser visible to the homeowner? Why would he have thought they were meant for him?

Did the ATF voices overlap, causing issues with clarity? How do you prove the homeowner knew they were police and intentionally shot at them?
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Dunno but that was the report from the State AG. Don't know much about ARs AG.
 
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