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Mikel

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We have all heard of cases of parents of very sick children who decline medical treatment on religious grounds and the child dies. Or cases of extreme parental abuse or neglect.

At what point -if any- should the government step in?
 
Mikel said:
But who defines what immediate danger is? A gun in the house? Parents who believe there are two genders?
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I think this should lean towards decentralization of governments. This families situation can't be solved at a federal level without oppressing families nationwide, to big to be handled at the state level. This needs to be a city/ County/ township deal where this family has extended family and long term neighbors to weigh in on things, local doctors local churches, local lawmakers and local law enforcement.

Break this country back down to tribes and families
 
Mikel said:
But who defines what immediate danger is? A gun in the house? Parents who believe there are two genders?
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A corpse is a pretty good indicator of immediate danger. I may have come off as if I want the .gov to step in prior to death and I do not want the .gov involved at all until the fucktarded parents allow their kid to die. Then I want their bodies on display to other fucktards as a warning to make better decisions.
 
As a kid of abusive parents, yeah, there is definitely a time when someone should step in. When that time is, is very subjective. Obviously my life was not in danger as I survived, but I would have much rather not endured 15 years of beatings until I was old enough and big enough to fight back. To this day I count kicking my stepfather in the balls at 15 and then years later punching my girlfriend's father in the head as some of my greatest achievements. :flipoff2:

But either way it would have been nice if someone had stopped it years before.
 
Washington can’t solve problems on a large scale so what makes you think they can solve problems here on my block.

Cases of children not getting life saving care because of reasons their parents decide is extremely far and few between and often the doctors solution may not even be the only other solution either.
 
Beat95yj said:
Unfortunately, I have a friend that works for CPS. 5% of the time those kids need 100% help. Unfortunately, IMO they don’t get what they deserve. A lot of people are assholes. Especially those that are chemically dependent.
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I'm not willing to sacrifice the 95% to the system for those 5%.

This is the same reason the justice system is fucked right now. They'd rather convict 95 innocent people rather than let 5 actual criminals go.

Especially considering the woke bullshit that is happening right now. How long before a child is removed from loving parents who never did anything wrong except disagree with the blue-haired monster teaching at the public school about what little Johnny's gender should be.

State is better than Federal. County is better than State. Local is better than County. And a good neighbor that will step in (as it was in the old days), along with a justice system that accepts the idea that "some people just need a good beating" is better than Local.

Now we have Good Samaritans unwilling to step up because they'd be the ones behind bars rather than the child-beater.
 
Projectjunkie said:
I think this should lean towards decentralization of governments. This families situation can't be solved at a federal level without oppressing families nationwide, to big to be handled at the state level. This needs to be a city/ County/ township deal where this family has extended family and long term neighbors to weigh in on things, local doctors local churches, local lawmakers and local law enforcement.

Break this country back down to tribes and families
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This right here. All these hypothetical questions are below board issues compared to what we are currently experiencing right now. All distractions in my opinion. For example the whole abortion debate. We have way bigger problems with our government than these
 
DWT said:
A corpse is a pretty good indicator of immediate danger. I may have come off as if I want the .gov to step in prior to death and I do not want the .gov involved at all until the fucktarded parents allow their kid to die. Then I want their bodies on display to other fucktards as a warning to make better decisions.
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if a kid gets covid then dies, and the parents didn't vaccinate them, they should fry?
 
Tough one.

As an elementary teacher for 21 years in about as a poor, gang-riddled location as there is in the California Cen. Valley, I have seen some terrible shit happen to kids. Add in the kids that have no shoes or socks coming to school in December, kids with cigarette burns, the kid who has a baggie of meth in his backpack because that is how mom and dad exchange it, the kid who hasn't eaten in 3 days, etc.

There has to be a place to go for this instead of ignoring it. It isn't DC, although maybe funding comes from there?

Local is always better but even that sucks ass a lot of the times as someone who had interacted with CPS more than I would like to have.

Churches could help but they can't take legal custody or foster, change placement to decent family members, etc.

It really just comes down to priority I think, and it's just not one for my area at least. Social workers are way overtaxes with cases that they can't possible handle them all, so most all of them "fall through the cracks". Many of the people that foster are just there for the money and don't take care of the kids like they should in my experience.

This is like the homeless situation. Probably not a great solution and probably never will be.
 
It's very subjective, Wife is in special ed and had to plead with DCFS to get involved with one of her students, which took too long, while another buddy of mine (single father, with full custody), pissed off his neighbor, neighbor called and lied about a whole bunch of stuff and got his girls taken away for a month for not enough supervision. (10 year old was out in the yard by herself). They tried to place the girls back with their mother and her proven in court abusive BF.
 
Juztyn00 said:
It's very subjective, Wife is in special ed and had to plead with DCFS to get involved with one of her students, which took too long, while another buddy of mine (single father, with full custody), pissed off his neighbor, neighbor called and lied about a whole bunch of stuff and got his girls taken away for a month for not enough supervision. (10 year old was out in the yard by herself). They tried to place the girls back with their mother and her proven in court abusive BF.
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Neighbor needs charges brought onto them for lying
 
Will12785 said:
if a kid gets covid then dies, and the parents didn't vaccinate them, they should fry?
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Why should anyone fry because their walking petri dish got a cold and died? I can't speak for everyone but my responses to this thread are about the 3 or 4 wack-a-doodle religious fucktards that pop up in the news for their kids kicking the bucket due to crazy religious rules pertaining to basic care not being provided and/or neglect.
 
DWT said:
Why should anyone fry because their walking petri dish got a cold and died? I can't speak for everyone but my responses to this thread are about the 3 or 4 wack-a-doodle religious fucktards that pop up in the news for their kids kicking the bucket due to crazy religious rules pertaining to basic care not being provided and/or neglect.
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its their right, retard
 
fordguy said:
its their right, retard
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Would not providing them food be a "right"?

IDGAF about the Covid shot because it is in no way a net positive to kids, but there are a lot of kids out there that are neglected.

Parents have a "right" to neglect their kids to the point of sickness or death?
 
dntsdad said:
Would not providing them food be a "right"?

IDGAF about the Covid shot because it is in no way a net positive to kids, but there are a lot of kids out there that are neglected.

Parents have a "right" to neglect their kids to the point of sickness or death?
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Slippery slope. Do you give up all your freedoms in the name of safety? The board seems pretty against that. Same logic applies.

I think the answer here is if EVIL INTENT can be proven. If a parent meant well, he should not be held responsible for anything.
 
I don't give one fuck what the board is for or against.

A kid is being neglected to the point of being without nutrients, clothes appropriate for the weather, exposed first hand to drugs in their world, etc. there needs to be intervention. I have bought more clothes, shoes, etc or kids than I think I have for my own kids combined. There isn't a soul who knows that other than the parent as I always ask for permission first.

I do agree that there are some slippery slopes out there. For example, I have kids that are massively obese. They come every fucking day with a multiple bags of Takis, a candy bar or 5, and other garbage as a "snack". That is not good IMO but also not my business and not abuse as I define it. Are those parent fucked up? Yep.

It is a tough thing that I literally wrestle with every day cause I love kids, and especially the ones that I am around all the time. I just don't know that there is an answer that works in every situation.
 
fordguy said:
its their right, retard
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So it's the parents right to let their kid die due to religious rights? Cool, let's call it an extreme late term abortion and let them all die of we're going to get that fucking stupid. :homer:
 
fordguy said:
Slippery slope. Do you give up all your freedoms in the name of safety? The board seems pretty against that. Same logic applies.

I think the answer here is if EVIL INTENT can be proven. If a parent meant well, he should not be held responsible for anything.
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Verse 28, chapter 13 in the book of fucktardation says any child that disagrees with their parents should be starved to death. No evil intent, that's a religious exemption. You're welcome.
 
So, parents that tell their child "Of course, you know what you want to fuck and what gender you want to be. It's normal. All kids before puberty understand that urge.

Oh now wait...
 
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