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Paragon said:
A libertarian party will never exist on the national level to effect change.

we have entirely too much urban area where "diversity" happens up close and personal and people want to control those around them and those people win the numbers game

it sucks
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Understand and (somewhat) agree with the take, but perhaps the silver lining of Prez Pedo Pete is that even those folks can see the .gov is out to get them too.
 
Animalmother said:
Lets pretend in 2016 Jeb Bush ran as the Republican, Hilary as Democrat, and Trump ran as a Libertarian and still won.

Would that have fixed anything in the eyes of the Libertarians? Is this all about party recognition and giving the option of having another letter available next to their name? I mean what would have been different, you still would have been dealing with the same man and the same policies and dealing with someone does not embody perfectly the set of ideals you would pick in utopia. You would still be left with a compromise.

Is it all about breaking up the two party system or are there some major issues the libertarians support that sets them apart?

Their stances are confusing as fuck. Some are open borders, some are not. Some are pro life, some or not. As already said some are woke, some are not. They cant get their messaging together and it seems everyone has their own definition of what being a Libertarian is.
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That's pretty much what happened proving Libertarians are only concerned about having a team to root for. Vote for the person and what they do.
 
Mr.Ratbastard said:
That's pretty much what happened proving Libertarians are only concerned about having a team to root for. Vote for the person and what they do.
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Libertarians are mostly ****s, they put up kooks and whine like bitches when no one votes for them, so they can shit on you for not buying into their brand of lunacy.
 
Elwenil said:
Agreed, but al I am saying is that everyone keeps pushing the Libertarian party as this great alternative, but it looks like a lot more of the same. Petty power struggles, pushing agendas, etc. How is this different from D & R?

Serious discussion, by the way, not just poking fun.
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The things you describe are factors of being a group of humans. No political party is ever going to get away from them. The significant difference is whether they're pushing a War on Drugs and Guns while they squabble.

Animalmother said:
Is it all about breaking up the two party system or are there some major issues the libertarians support that sets them apart?
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See above. Abolish the ATF and DEA a good enough start?

IowaOffRoad said:
just scrap everything that the progressives have built over 100+ years instantly and everything will be fine) is just as bad as continuing on this path.
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I get your point, but it's a little overstated. You think completely abolishing the ATF and NFA would be "just as bad" as repeated assault weapons bans?

FJC11 said:
Libertarians are mostly ****s, they put up kooks and whine like bitches when no one votes for them, so they can shit on you for not buying into their brand of lunacy.
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Valid criticism, which is why I haven't been a "big-L" Libertarian for 15+ years. Hence the point of this thread, and the Mises folks takeover. I'm guardedly optimistic.

Republicans and Democrats are no better, unless you like where things are now. Choose your evil.
 
subybaja said:
The things you describe are factors
I get your point, but it's a little overstated. You think completely abolishing the ATF and NFA would be "just as bad" as repeated assault weapons bans?
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No, I Think the ramifications of wholesale destruction of the arms of the government in one fell swoop will cause unforeseen problems in the immediate aftermath that will encourage lawmakers to reinstate them in some form. Government isn’t a cancer to be cut out. Government is more like substance addiction. The government is the drug dealer and the citizen is the user. I cut the user off cold turkey, and They just find another dealer. I am all for abolishing basically all large government entities… Eventually.
 
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Animalmother said:
That would be awesome but as of late all the progress on that front has been coming from the Supreme Court…..so thank a Republican for that one.
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Just don't smoke any weed while you do ... Like I said, pick your evil.

I'm certainly not saying that the L's are a political force. I'm saying that they have a legitimate philosophy, which the others don't.

Damnit. I fell for the bait. :laughing:

subybaja said:
I'm not trying to start another "wasted vote" debate, just suggest that if you lean that way they might suck less than they have for a long time.
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Vote for whomever you like. If you wish the Libertarians were less kooky, they might be improving. That is all.
 
I would love to see the libertarian build at lower levels, focus on educating dumbfucks, lower level offices, commentary, talking points, build the party slowly with some strong speakers, who give guidance, then shove their way to the limelight with snarky I told you sos...

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Projectjunkie said:
I would love to see the libertarian build at lower levels, focus on educating dumbfucks, lower level offices, commentary, talking points, build the party slowly with some strong speakers, who give guidance, then shove their way to the limelight with snarky I told you sos...

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Perfect. :smokin:
 
[486] said:
I just don't see the argument for anything more than perhaps some monopoly-breaking powers on a federal level

everything else just works better when it is distributed among the states rather than concentrated in a couple dudes completely disconnected from reality/consequences in DC
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In a perfect world, 100% agreed. But we're too far down the rabbit hole with the MID and our position in the world to back out of it now. Things would have to radically change in the world for us to go back to that.

TrikeKid said:
lpmisescaucus.com

Platform - Libertarian Party Mises Caucus

Mises Caucus Platform Statement of Purpose: The purpose of the Libertarian Party Mises Caucus is to recruit, train and support the liberty vanguard for perpetual libertarian political, cultural and educational action and to use grassroots organization to ensure that the Libertarian Party is an...
lpmisescaucus.com lpmisescaucus.com

No raw milk talk or Chicago economics there...
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You clearly have no idea what the Chicago school of economics refers to or you didn't read their economic and monetary policy. :laughing:
 
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