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The national LP just shed a lot of dead soy weight. A coup by the Mises Caucus took over the elected positions, and is getting rid of a lot of leftist crap.

I'm not trying to start another "wasted vote" debate, just suggest that if you lean that way they might suck less than they have for a long time.

http ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mises_Caucus

Ron Paul himself once called the caucus "the libertarian wing of the Libertarian Party".
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many Ron Paul supporters believing the Libertarian Party became more politically correct and pro-identity politics, this all led to the formation and rise of the Mises Caucus.
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The Mises Caucus claims in their platform that they

  • support private property rights and reject socialism[32]
  • support the Austrian School of economics[32]
  • reject mainstream monetary policies, such as central banking and state-issued currency[32]
  • support decentralization, including secession and localism, "all the way down to the individual"[32]
  • support non-interventionist foreign policy and opposition to war[32]
  • reject identity politics as "weaponized tribal collectivism that is antithetical to individualism"[32]
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Party "Takeover"

The Mises Caucus has been highly critical of the Libertarian National Committee and the pragmatic faction of the party, and states their goal is to "takeover" the Libertarian Party and realign it closer to Ron Paul's presidential campaigns and the Mises Institute.[12] The caucus has accused many in the party of supporting political correctness and "wokeism" and being "SJW friendly".[6][12]

Angela McArdle, a board member of the Mises Caucus, said in 2021 that the party should be ideologically closer to Ron Paul than Gary Johnson, and that Johnson didn't "put a fire in anyone's hearts".[29]

COVID-19

During the COVID-19 pandemic, the caucus strongly opposed lockdowns,[33] mask mandates, vaccine passports and vaccine mandates.[34][27] The Mises Caucus also criticized the wider party for being silent and "not taking a stand".[35][12]

Here's a hatchet-job from Reason, who liked the party as it was:

http ://reason.com/2022/05/29/mises-caucus-takes-control-of-libertarian-party/

Mises Caucus Takes Control of Libertarian Party

Dominating the convention body by more than two-thirds, the Mises Caucus claims to offer an edgier, more libertarian organization. Foes accuse it of right-wing deviationism and racism.
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The caucus's official platform is plumb-line libertarian, but its foes say that too many Mises Caucus members and fans downplay libertarian positions that might offend the right, are intentionally obnoxious and bullying, and are often racist. For example, the New Hampshire L.P., a powerful vector of Mises Caucus messaging, tweeted on Martin Luther King Day that "America isn't in debt to black people. If anything it's the other way around." (The tweet was later deleted.)


And finally a 45 minute video offering the inside view.

 
But there wasn't any leftist crap in the first place.
The libertarian party went pretty woke and pro lockdown in 2020 hence these people taking it over. Who's that dumbass that ran in 2020? Some of her tweets are quite SJW cringeworthy.

Scott Horton is part of these mises dudes as well and he's great to listen to as well.
 
So now we are supposed to vote for an unstable party? A random takeover doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
 
So they're going to back on campaigning on stupid fringe issues like raw milk that no one gives a fuck about again? LP sucked even before things got weird with them over the past few years. Love to libertarianism gain more popularity, but the LP ain't it. Too many fucking weirdos focused on the wrong shit and aiming for offices well above where they should be.

Also, while the Chicago school of economics they all subscribe to while ideal, it's about as unrealistic in the real world as communism is on any sort of large scale. Economies are far too interconnected globally now for those economic theories to work anymore. Hell, anarchocapitalism would be ideal, but that's also highly unrealistic.
 
So they're going to back on campaigning on stupid fringe issues like raw milk that no one gives a fuck about again? LP sucked even before things got weird with them over the past few years. Love to libertarianism gain more popularity, but the LP ain't it. Too many fucking weirdos focused on the wrong shit and aiming for offices well above where they should be.

Also, while the Chicago school of economics they all subscribe to while ideal, it's about as unrealistic in the real world as communism is on any sort of large scale. Economies are far too interconnected globally now for those economic theories to work anymore. Hell, anarchocapitalism would be ideal, but that's also highly unrealistic.
Nah back to legalize all drugs and fighting vax and mask mandates. They booted out all the beltway reason magazine libertarian tards.
 
So they're going to back on campaigning on stupid fringe issues like raw milk that no one gives a fuck about again? LP sucked even before things got weird with them over the past few years. Love to libertarianism gain more popularity, but the LP ain't it. Too many fucking weirdos focused on the wrong shit and aiming for offices well above where they should be.

Also, while the Chicago school of economics they all subscribe to while ideal, it's about as unrealistic in the real world as communism is on any sort of large scale. Economies are far too interconnected globally now for those economic theories to work anymore. Hell, anarchocapitalism would be ideal, but that's also highly unrealistic.

No raw milk talk or Chicago economics there...
 
Also, while the Chicago school of economics they all subscribe to while ideal, it's about as unrealistic in the real world as communism is on any sort of large scale. Economies are far too interconnected globally now for those economic theories to work anymore. Hell, anarchocapitalism would be ideal, but that's also highly unrealistic.
"now I like guns and all but we need to ban all guns"
 
Economies are far too interconnected globally now for those economic theories to work anymore.
I just don't see the argument for anything more than perhaps some monopoly-breaking powers on a federal level

everything else just works better when it is distributed among the states rather than concentrated in a couple dudes completely disconnected from reality/consequences in DC
 
oh right and

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So now we are supposed to vote for an unstable party? A random takeover doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
I know when I think stable party's I think of the D and Rs of the past 20yrs LOL!!! We just had a reality show TV host who defeated a botched attempt by the Ds to soft rig an election by getting him on the R ticket, then both parties had meltdowns. Now we have a guy with a jello for a brain at his sharpest moments 30yrs ago, in real time cognitive decline running the show. Prior to that you had Obama who was Bush pt2, then before him it was GW and all his dipshittery.

But yes don't vote for the L because some people got pissed and got off the porch and took it back over.
 
Trump randomly took over the republican party.

Aoc and the horse face squad took over the democrats.


Unstable? Lol.

I know when I think stable party's I think of the D and Rs of the past 20yrs LOL!!! We just had a reality show TV host who defeated a botched attempt by the Ds to soft rig an election by getting him on the R ticket, then both parties had meltdowns. Now we have a guy with a jello for a brain at his sharpest moments 30yrs ago, in real time cognitive decline running the show. Prior to that you had Obama who was Bush pt2, then before him it was GW and all his dipshittery.

But yes don't vote for the L because some people got pissed and got off the porch and took it back over.

Agreed, but al I am saying is that everyone keeps pushing the Libertarian party as this great alternative, but it looks like a lot more of the same. Petty power struggles, pushing agendas, etc. How is this different from D & R?

Serious discussion, by the way, not just poking fun.
 
Lets pretend in 2016 Jeb Bush ran as the Republican, Hilary as Democrat, and Trump ran as a Libertarian and still won.

Would that have fixed anything in the eyes of the Libertarians? Is this all about party recognition and giving the option of having another letter available next to their name? I mean what would have been different, you still would have been dealing with the same man and the same policies and dealing with someone does not embody perfectly the set of ideals you would pick in utopia. You would still be left with a compromise.

Is it all about breaking up the two party system or are there some major issues the libertarians support that sets them apart?

Their stances are confusing as fuck. Some are open borders, some are not. Some are pro life, some or not. As already said some are woke, some are not. They cant get their messaging together and it seems everyone has their own definition of what being a Libertarian is.
 
This is just marketing and won't change anything. People cannot choose between 3 options, and people cannot think for themselves. They don't pay attention to local races, congresscritters, and those are the ones that matter the most.
 
I am ideologically libertarian myself, but am practical enough to know that a libertarian "great reset" (meaning, just scrap everything that the progressives have built over 100+ years instantly and everything will be fine) is just as bad as continuing on this path. I've said in many threads that a systematic rollback of the policies over decades is what will actually work, but the damn pop-culture libertarians keep saying "burn it all down" just like the BLM/Anitifa types, just in a direction I would like. I think that this is a positive sign for the libertarian party. At least according to their own statements, it seems that from a fiscal/national security/international diplomacy view this group seems to know what's right, and doesn't seem to be so radical that "abolish the government" is the first order of business.
My view? The constitution party and the libertarian party need to come together and realize that they are 2 sides of the same coin. Yes, government is a necessary evil, and if we would just go back to doing strictly constitutional things that we would be 99% of the way to the libertarian wet dream. At that point, we can fight about the 1% we all don't agree on, but who cares at that point as that 1% is little more than personal preference.
A calm, deliberate, politically and socially feasible rollback of government over decades and a return of freedoms to a people who aren't used to governing themselves (I'm referring to the bulk of America, not the fine people [bots?:flipoff2:] of IBB) is the path forward that is most likely successful and palatable to the voter.
 
A libertarian party will never exist on the national level to effect change.

we have entirely too much urban area where "diversity" happens up close and personal and people want to control those around them and those people win the numbers game

it sucks
 
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