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Just when you thought seattle could not get any dumber...

The narrative is so far out there that it honestly sounds like a parody listening to it all. But its not..... Its mind numbing. :rasta:

"why would they do these things" followed by "oh, your book has been on the best seller list for 2 full years and is currently even sold out physically"

bernie sanders "anybody can be a multi millionaire, they just need to write a book!" :laughing:
 
well it look like the city council is going ahead with all their socialist dreams. Good for them. It will be fun to watch from here.

What could go wrong?

clifs

1st idea
joint proposal created by coalitions Decriminalize Seattle and King County Equity Now, calling for the police budget to be cut in half and for those funds to be redirected in the following ways:
    • Replace current 911 operations with civilian-controlled system
    • Scale up community-led solutions
    • Invest in housing for all
    • Fund a community-led process to create a roadmap to life without policing
2nd idea
Many speakers participated on behalf of council member Kshama Sawant and Socialist Alternative with the following demands:
*Defund Seattle Police by at least 50%, and use those funds to support community programs, especially for youth of color

*Build 1,000 homes in the Central District for working-class African American people

*Fund the Green New Deal!

*Stop austerity, no budget cuts to roads, parks, libraries, or other public services

*Fund renter rights and Eviction Defense

*Stop the Sweeps of Homeless Encampments, Fund Tiny House Villages

Should be interesting. I feel bad for that police chief out there. She is left leaning but I think she really wants to keep people safe.


Good but long article with graphs and such on the proposals
https://www.capitolhillseattle.com/...rt-for-defundspd-during-budget-deliberations/

Another shorter one.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...artment-defunding-plan-laid-out-by-advocates/

A majority of Seattle City Council members now say they agree with a high-level proposal by advocates to defund the Police Department by 50% and reallocate the dollars to other community needs.

Council members Lisa Herbold, Dan Strauss and Andrew Lewis added support Thursday to a road map set out by Decriminalize Seattle and King County Equity Now.

They joined colleagues Tammy Morales, Kshama Sawant, Teresa Mosqueda and M. Lorena González, who previously backed the push to reduce the Police Department’s annual budget by 50% and promised quick action, while Mayor Jenny Durkan has asked the council to slow down.

That means seven of nine council members are on board with the idea, though they have yet to say exactly how they intend to make the cuts; six votes are needed to pass budget-related legislation and to override a mayoral veto. Durkan has not backed a 50% reduction.

Decriminalize Seattle and King County Equity Now are new coalitions that have emerged during the recent Black Lives Matter protests and that count a number of community organizations led by Black people as endorsers.

In a presentation to the council’s budget committee Wednesday, they said the Police Department’s 2021 budget should be reduced by 50% from the status quo (its budget is $409 million this year). They also said the department’s remaining 2020 budget should be cut by 50% this summer.

Decriminalize Seattle and King County Equity Now laid out a four point proposal for defunding the Police Department:
  • Remove Seattle’s 911 dispatchers from police control
  • Scale up community-based solutions to public safety
  • Fund a community-led process to “imagine life beyond policing.”
  • Invest in affordable housing
The aim is “defunding the Seattle Police Department and building a world where we trust and believe in community to provide the safety that we need,” Decriminalize Seattle’s Jackie Vaughn said at a news conference Thursday.

Morales, Sawant, Mosqueda and González joined coalition representatives and supporters for the remote news conference, pledging to advance the proposal.

Herbold told The Seattle Times she also has committed to the demands, including cuts this summer and a 50% reduction to the Police Department’s budget. Strauss is in “100% agreement” with the four-point proposal and believes the council must “define how 50% cuts occur,” he wrote on Twitter.

Councilmember Andrew Lewis later added on Twitter, “To be clear, I am 100% in favor of the (Decriminalize Seattle) demands, including the goal of a 50% cut of SPD’s budget.”

The council is currently considering changes to the city’s 2020 budget, which has been ripped apart by the coronavirus health and economic crisis.

Durkan last month proposed about $20 million in Police Department cuts as part of a broader plan to close a $378 million budget hole. Most of those cuts were identified in response to the pandemic, before the killing of George Floyd by Minneapolis police sparked protests across the country against violence by officers and against institutional racism in law enforcement.

The council has the power to alter Durkan’s 2020 rebalancing package but must do so soon, in the coming weeks. This fall, the mayor and council will hash out 2021’s budget.

In an email about the four-point proposal by Decriminalize Seattle and King County Equity Now, Durkan spokeswoman Kelsey Nyland said, “Our office doesn’t object to any of these ideas – they are all undeniably critical to building a more just and equitable city. But each … is much more nuanced than it initially might seem, and if we don’t factor that into our discussions … then we’ll never be able to build actionable and lasting solutions.”

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In a letter Wednesday, Senior Deputy Mayor Mike Fong warned the council that major and immediate Police Department cuts could require large numbers of officers to be laid off, arguing the city isn’t ready for that scenario.

Significant moment’

At Thursday’s news conference, defunding advocates said community organizations and practitioners — with adequate resources — can protect Seattle residents better than the Police Department in many instances.

The speakers represented the organizations Creative Justice; Trans Women of Color Solidarity Network; Africatown Community Land Trust; East African Community Services; Black Trans Task Force; Greenlight Project; Wa Na Wari; and WA-BLOC.


“We are at a very significant moment,” said Nikkita Oliver, whose nonprofit Creative Justice uses art to empower court-involved young people and resolve their cases. “Seeing the discussion of defunding the police become more than just a chant in the streets.”

K. Wyking Garrett, whose Africatown organization works to combat displacement by acquiring land and developing housing in the Central District, said militarized police responses don’t solve problems.

“Police don’t stop crime, they respond to crime,” he said. “What really prevents crime is access to resources.”


Jaelynn Scott from the Black Trans Task Force said Black trans community needs “should be front and center” as Seattle works on community-based strategies to keep people safe.

Mosqueda said she will be “following the lead of Decriminalize Seattle and King County Equity Now” in budget talks. “History has taught us change only comes from those living on the margins rising up,” she said.

González apologized for supporting police budget increases in past years, saying she no longer believes the department can be wholly reformed.


“I am sorry for those votes,” she said.

In his letter Wednesday, Fong said any “blunt efforts” to drastically slash the Police Department’s 2020 budget “would not serve our communities.” They instead would leave the Police Department “unable to conduct basic functions,” he said, asking the council to work with the Durkan administration over a longer period to make systemic changes.

The 911 dispatchers in the Police Department already are civilian employees, rather than sworn officers, Nyland said in her email. Removing them from the Police Department would reduce the department’s budget but wouldn’t save much money for community programs, the spokeswoman noted.

The mayor and council already have directed some public safety investments to community-led solutions, Nyland said, citing funds added this year to expand a program that diverts young adults from the criminal justice system, among other moves. “These programs are an important start, but they aren’t enough,” she said.

Police Department budget cuts alone “wouldn’t make a significant dent in our housing crisis,” Nyland said. She said Durkan has proposed spending $500,000 later this year on community outreach for input on the 2021 budget.

Daniel Beekman: 206-464-2164 or [email protected]; on Twitter: @dbeekman. Seattle Times staff reporter Daniel Beekman covers Seattle city government and local politics.
 
Jimmys looking like shit. Liberalism really takes its toll on a person.

Its all for show. In person you'd really never know. He's an awkward guy to talk to, but he's not too bad. His TV image is ten times worse than what it is in person.
 
I wish I knew and understood their endgoal

If they do not understand that they are creating MORE racists, or at least less sympathetic and willing partners, they are stupid. I honestly just don't think that they are stupid.

Or maybe they are I give them too much credit assuming they may be thinking three steps ahead.

You dont give them enough credit. They are more than three steps ahead. This is the exact process for creating a socialist dystopia. Go read or even watch 1984. Orwell was truly prophetic.
 
well it look like the city council is going ahead with all their socialist dreams. Good for them. It will be fun to watch from here.

What could go wrong?

clifs

1st idea
joint proposal created by coalitions Decriminalize Seattle and King County Equity Now, calling for the police budget to be cut in half and for those funds to be redirected in the following ways:
    • Replace current 911 operations with civilian-controlled system
    • Scale up community-led solutions
    • Invest in housing for all
    • Fund a community-led process to create a roadmap to life without policing
2nd idea
Many speakers participated on behalf of council member Kshama Sawant and Socialist Alternative with the following demands:
*Defund Seattle Police by at least 50%, and use those funds to support community programs, especially for youth of color

*Build 1,000 homes in the Central District for working-class African American people

*Fund the Green New Deal!

*Stop austerity, no budget cuts to roads, parks, libraries, or other public services

*Fund renter rights and Eviction Defense

*Stop the Sweeps of Homeless Encampments, Fund Tiny House Villages

Should be interesting. I feel bad for that police chief out there. She is left leaning but I think she really wants to keep people safe.


Good but long article with graphs and such on the proposals
https://www.capitolhillseattle.com/...rt-for-defundspd-during-budget-deliberations/

Another shorter one.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...artment-defunding-plan-laid-out-by-advocates/



I love how ironically racist all of these people are.

I told my black buddy that apparently white people are telling other white people to give black people their money. I said, "Sorry, man, but I have more respect for you and every other black man and woman to not think you guys need a handout from the white man." He said, "Thanks, man I appreciate that."

Giving working class "African Americans" homes is like saying, "Awe, thanks for trying, but you're just not doing well enough on your own, let the white people help you."

It should be great watching all the bums flock to Seattle for their handouts.
 
The article writes: the school system released a curriculum explaining that “math is a tool for oppression”
Anyone have a link to this?

I have been a bit silent about this white and being oppressors and shit, honestly it scares me. I am all for a social system and public healthcare, but this article is just throwing up the same red flags as Trumps facism is doing. Both sides are just really, really dumb or something.
 
The article writes: the school system released a curriculum explaining that “math is a tool for oppression”
Anyone have a link to this?

I have been a bit silent about this white and being oppressors and shit, honestly it scares me. I am all for a social system and public healthcare, but this article is just throwing up the same red flags as Trumps facism is doing. Both sides are just really, really dumb or something.

Weak troll
 
The article writes: the school system released a curriculum explaining that “math is a tool for oppression”
Anyone have a link to this?

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https://www.washingtonpolicy.org/pu...ls-to-teach-that-math-is-a-tool-of-oppression

Seattle Public School district officials are again in the national spotlight, and not in a good way. Alarms have been raised across the country about Seattle’s proposed new math curriculum. Reason Magazine has a good piece on it here.

Over the last two years the Seattle School Board, led by president Leslie Harris, has promoted a curriculum developed by a small group of radical academics who are way out of the mainstream. If the school board imposes this curriculum, teachers will be pressured to teach math and other core subjects through the lens of political correctness, so-called social justice, and race and gender, as if number facts are somehow affected by the color of a person’s skin. This “race and gender studies curriculum” has parents worrying, and for good reason.

Here are some of the Learning Targets of Seattle’s new math curriculum:

“Students will be able to identify how math has been and continues to be used to oppress and marginalize people and communities of color….

“Students will be able to identify the inherent inequities of the standardized testing system used to oppress and marginalize people and communities of color…

“Students will be able to explain how math has been used to exploit natural resources...

“Students will be able to explain how math dictates economic oppression.”

Here are some of the questions math teachers in Seattle may be forced to ask:

“Where does Power and Oppression show up in our math experiences?” and “How is math manipulated to allow inequality and oppression to persist?”

With a top-down initiative like this, it is not surprising that enrollment numbers in Seattle Public Schools are dropping, or that Seattle has one of highest private school attendance rates in the country. This year public school enrollment has declined by 1,600 students, even as Seattle’s population has been growing rapidly. Just 52,800 students will attend one of the 101 schools in Seattle Public Schools, even though the city has more families than ever, with a population now topping 720,000.

Parents may have heard of this divisive gender studies curriculum, and decided to go elsewhere. Ironically, an approach pitched as being “inclusive” is actually excluding many students. Instead of attracting families to Seattle Public Schools, the race and gender studies curriculum is pushing families out. It explains the popular move by families to enroll their children in public charter schools, online schools, homeschools, and private schools, where all children are included and respected, regardless of race, and where math is not considered a tool of oppression.
 
This reads like an early 90's In Living Color skit. Just need Jim Carrey- "Sit all your white privileged asses down and LET ME SHOW YOU SOMETHING" Then Homey the clown flicks a cigarette on somebody, and its all funny as shit because its so ridiculous. Except its real life 3 decades later.

So is the next civil war going to be reasonable people vs the radicals i guess?
 
Somehow I think we still haven't seen the full on "hold my beer" moment yet. It's probably coming soon :laughing:
 
This reads like an early 90's In Living Color skit. Just need Jim Carrey- "Sit all your white privileged asses down and LET ME SHOW YOU SOMETHING" Then Homey the clown flicks a cigarette on somebody, and its all funny as shit because its so ridiculous. Except its real life 3 decades later.

So is the next civil war going to be reasonable people vs the radicals i guess?

Likely reasonable people will just continue going to work, paying their taxes and paying their bills and have shit like this foisted on them.

Stuff like this is complete BS, but if i was told to attend by my employer I would. I can't afford to lose my job and not be able to care for my family. Most reasonable people are in the same boat.
 
Somewhere in hell Charles Manson is laughing his ass off.
 
Likely reasonable people will just continue going to work, paying their taxes and paying their bills and have shit like this foisted on them.

Stuff like this is complete BS, but if i was told to attend by my employer I would. I can't afford to lose my job and not be able to care for my family. Most reasonable people are in the same boat.

We have a different view of reasonable people. I'd like to know where in the employee handbook it says I have to attend white guilt training. This is .gov, not a private company. Firing me based on my skin color would pay out nice in unemployment in todays climate while searching for another town to live in.
 
We have a different view of reasonable people. I'd like to know where in the employee handbook it says I have to attend white guilt training. This is .gov, not a private company. Firing me based on my skin color would pay out nice in unemployment in todays climate while searching for another town to live in.

I think the training is BS, dont get me wrong. I think it's a serious issue that the noisy minority is drowning out the reasonable hardworking people.

Am I going to throw away a 150k+ per year career that I've devoted the last 20 years of my life to because I don't want to turn my ears off through a few hours of HR videos? unlikely. Most people would look in the mirror and come to that same conclusion.

I do think the reasonable hardworking people need to stand up for themselves more, everywhere. That's just not where I'd start.
 
I think the training is BS, dont get me wrong. I think it's a serious issue that the noisy minority is drowning out the reasonable hardworking people.

Am I going to throw away a 150k+ per year career that I've devoted the last 20 years of my life to because I don't want to turn my ears off through a few hours of HR videos? unlikely. Most people would look in the mirror and come to that same conclusion.

I do think the reasonable hardworking people need to stand up for themselves more, everywhere. That's just not where I'd start.

Damn, $150k+ municipal position down here is Mayor, city manager, someone in high position who would make those decisions in sensitivity training.
Your average "hardworking" employee is making half that or less.

Even then, at 20 years you've put in enough time for retirement/pension and could move somewhere else with your experience. Somewhere less shitty.
 
Damn, $150k+ municipal position down here is Mayor, city manager, someone in high position who would make those decisions in sensitivity training.
Your average "hardworking" employee is making half that or less.

Even then, at 20 years you've put in enough time for retirement/pension and could move somewhere else with your experience. Somewhere less shitty.

I don't work for the .gov sorry for the lack of clarity. Private industry. Just using myself as an example.

I'd say gov employees are even less likely to say no when told to take the training. Hard to walk away from the benefits and pension then have to, you know, actually work at their job.
 
Likely reasonable people will just continue going to work, paying their taxes and paying their bills and have shit like this foisted on them.

Stuff like this is complete BS, but if i was told to attend by my employer I would. I can't afford to lose my job and not be able to care for my family. Most reasonable people are in the same boat.

Agree but when does the line get drawn. You got me :homer:
 
I don't work for the .gov sorry for the lack of clarity. Private industry. Just using myself as an example.

I'd say gov employees are even less likely to say no when told to take the training. Hard to walk away from the benefits and pension then have to, you know, actually work at their job.

That was my main issue. If you work for a private industry, and they want to do stupid shit, power to 'em. They have every right to do as they please.

Having worked for and contractor for government entities, getting fired seems to be impossible. I watched so many people screw up, and merely transferred to a different dept. I just feel like they wouldnt fire someone over missed training based on skin color, and if they did the right social worker and/or lawyer would have a field day.

but the last point hammers it in. .gov employees are on cruise control and wont risk their cush job over such bullshit. They just see it as paid time to watch a video.
 
That was my main issue. If you work for a private industry, and they want to do stupid shit, power to 'em. They have every right to do as they please.

Having worked for and contractor for government entities, getting fired seems to be impossible. I watched so many people screw up, and merely transferred to a different dept. I just feel like they wouldnt fire someone over missed training based on skin color, and if they did the right social worker and/or lawyer would have a field day.

but the last point hammers it in. .gov employees are on cruise control and wont risk their cush job over such bullshit. They just see it as paid time to watch a video.

isn't that how most corporate training videos are looked upon?
 
That was my main issue. If you work for a private industry, and they want to do stupid shit, power to 'em. They have every right to do as they please.

Having worked for and contractor for government entities, getting fired seems to be impossible. I watched so many people screw up, and merely transferred to a different dept. I just feel like they wouldnt fire someone over missed training based on skin color, and if they did the right social worker and/or lawyer would have a field day.

but the last point hammers it in. .gov employees are on cruise control and wont risk their cush job over such bullshit. They just see it as paid time to watch a video.

To me, most .gov jobs are a form of welfare.
 
My wife is looking at houses up north....

She does not do politics or national news.....

Ready to peel out of Detroit forever.


​​​​​​​ THAT IS THE SHIT THAT SCARES ME. When she is past it.....it's bad.
 
god, what a bigot.

" a white man and a black woman had a conversation, and that is exceptional" :lmao: what a BITCH! :shaking:


SHE is the problem. not "white people". her :laughing:

of all fuck, "white people need to hold what it means to be white, if you can't understand that, get there, because without knowing what it means to be white, you can not have the conversation" So, if you aren't an outright bigot, become one, so that you can communicate with other bigots.

So if you dont "see" color, just another person that you are talking to/dealing with, you now have to recognize and see color both in myself and them and adjust accordingly? Isnt this regressive and racist? These white elitists who dont leave their gated communities are fucking nuts, they need to get out into the real world and see how the world actually works.

How long before we hear if you are a white person who employs a non white you are now an oppressor and akin to a slave owner?
 
So if you dont "see" color, just another person that you are talking to/dealing with, you now have to recognize and see color both in myself and them and adjust accordingly? Isnt this regressive and racist? These white elitists who dont leave their gated communities are fucking nuts, they need to get out into the real world and see how the world actually works.

How long before we hear if you are a white person who employs a non white you are now an oppressor and akin to a slave owner?

currently. we are currently seeing that.

the positive side effect of that notion is that it drives ownership. If you don't want to work for the white man, start your own shit. that is a good thing in effect, although the messaging is trash
 
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