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It's popping off in the middle east again

Pocahontas said:
Up until 100 years ago or the start of modern warfare. Only place I can think of that hasn’t had any wars has been Australia. All of the typically unstable places need strong leadership to rule which is usually harsh. Saudis want to do it but then Iran will start messing with them because it would mean a shift in power in the region, same with iran the Saudis won’t let them do it.

I have no problem with the Middle East but there’s nothing of value there. You could remove every single person from that and nothing in the world would change. Their economy is built on oil and that can easily be done with robots. You could argue to some historically significant sights but they have been destroying them over the last decade or two. The area just offers nothing of value but bloodshed and violence yet the west is doing all it can to import those people into our world and are amazed when it goes to hell.

Did the west have a part in it yes but the west aka British fucked with everything for a few centuries and that area and Africa are the only two who haven’t been able to figure it out. To solely blame the west for the instability in the region is intellectually dishonest at best and just sowing further division.
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Motorcharge said:
bUt iSrAeL iS oUr GrEaTeSt aLlY
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Well. They fucked up the <zero days exploit> but without them, Natanz might've gone on the rails instead of off them. :laughing:

larboc said:
It's too hot there for any of them to get along.
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Been saying for the better part of my entire life, that if they had AC on the strip none of this would ever happen. Could be wrong but...
 
Chevy_man said:
It's the only stable place in the region that we can store assets at.

But I think that we go ahead and green light them wiping Hamas and Palestine off the map. Muslims that the other Muslim countries won't touch, because they're the wrong Muslim.
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Pretty sure they're the same kind of musselman as the others around them as far as religions go. But they're utter trash and will rebel, be terrorists, general pains in the ass wherever they go. That's why the others don't want them. :smokin:
 
Motorcharge said:
Remind me again who it was that destablized Iran, had their elected government overthrown, and current religious zealots installed.
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My Iran history is pretty shitty. So correct me if I'm way off.

Didn't we get the Shaw installed and he was later chased out by Ayatollah who had returned?
 
You guys don't realize that we have Kamala Harris straight outta Kalifornia possibly coming to power and all will be well. :flipoff2::flipoff2:




Unpopular here but I don't care. I have zero issues backing up Israel. Thriving population of white, good people in the middle of a cespool that have made themselves a great society when everyone around them lives in the fucking stone age as far as housing, etc.

Not into sending men to die but money, weapons, etc. IDGAF. I would much rather it went to then the Pakistani trans people. Of the many things we waste money on, I can support this.

Nothing wrong with supporting like minded people in the world that would be exterminated without us IMO and I don't hate Jews so whatevs.
 
gt1guy said:
My Iran history is pretty shitty. So correct me if I'm way off.

Didn't we get the Shaw installed and he was later chased out by Ayatollah who had returned?
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We got involved when the Brits fucked it up on their way out in the 50s as a "save this shit from collapsing and destabilizing the global energy market" endeavor. Stupid fucking move. Eisenhower worked with the British enough that he should have seen the writing on that wall and said he wasn't gonna touch it. I'm not sure if the Shah got installed before or after that but in any case it doesn't really matter.

Don't get me wrong, the Shah wasn't great, typical foreign backed despot ruling with an iron fist and living in luxury and enriching his cronies while his people live in poverty, but with hindsight it's pretty clear that what they replaced him with was a downgrade. But just like communism and fascism in the early 20th century the idiots at the time could claim that Islamic extremism hadn't been tried and was worth trying.
 
dntsdad said:
You guys don't realize that we have Kamala Harris straight outta Kalifornia possibly coming to power and all will be well. :flipoff2::flipoff2:

Unpopular here but I don't care. I have zero issues backing up Israel. Thriving population of white, good people in the middle of a cespool that have made themselves a great society when everyone around them lives in the fucking stone age as far as housing, etc.

Not into sending men to die but money, weapons, etc. IDGAF. I would much rather it went to then the Pakistani trans people. Of the many things we waste money on, I can support this.

Nothing wrong with supporting like minded people in the world that would be exterminated without us IMO and I don't hate Jews so whatevs.
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I have a problem sending money to any other country. I have a problem with sending American troops to die for yet another country that isn't ours. I have a problem with Israel's government and intel agency that's stolen nuclear secrets, killed our soldiers (USS Liberty), and blackmailed us repeatedly into starting more foreign wars on their behalf.

I have zero problem with the Israeli people, I don't hate Jews, I just don't want to keep getting dragged into more bullshit overseas conflicts and being the source of welfare for other countries.
 
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Motorcharge said:
I have a problem sending money to any other country. I have a problem with sending American troops to die for yet another country that isn't ours. I have a problem with Israel's government and intel agency that's stolen nuclear secrets, killed out soldiers (USS Liberty), and blackmailed us repeatedly into starting more foreign wars on their behalf.

I have zero problem with the Israeli people, I don't hate Jews, I just don't want to keep getting dragged into more bullshit overseas conflicts and being the source of welfare for other countries.
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This.
 
Motorcharge said:
Maybe it wouldn't be the only stable place in the region had we not spent the last 50 or so years completely destabilizing the region on their behalf.
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I don't think you understand the region at all. For reals.

We haven't sent troops to Israel since Clinton, and that was a token amount. More troops at the DNC last week. I agree with your sentiment but nothing else.
 
arse_sidewards said:
We got involved when the Brits fucked it up on their way out in the 50s as a "save this shit from collapsing and destabilizing the global energy market" endeavor. Stupid fucking move. Eisenhower worked with the British enough that he should have seen the writing on that wall and said he wasn't gonna touch it. I'm not sure if the Shah got installed before or after that but in any case it doesn't really matter.

Don't get me wrong, the Shah wasn't great, typical foreign backed despot ruling with an iron fist and living in luxury and enriching his cronies while his people live in poverty, but with hindsight it's pretty clear that what they replaced him with was a downgrade. But just like communism and fascism in the early 20th century the idiots at the time could claim that Islamic extremism hadn't been tried and was worth trying.
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The Shaw was the one in power when Iran became very westernized was he not?



Motorcharge said:
I have a problem sending money to any other country. I have a problem with sending American troops to die for yet another country that isn't ours. I have a problem with Israel's government and intel agency that's stolen nuclear secrets, killed our soldiers (USS Liberty), and blackmailed us repeatedly into starting more foreign wars on their behalf.

I have zero problem with the Israeli people, I don't hate Jews, I just don't want to keep getting dragged into more bullshit overseas conflicts and being the source of welfare for other countries.
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Well said. I agree.

There's always problems when you try to support a country that only looks out for itself. Sounds stupid because that covers every country on the planet. So we should know better. I don't hold it against Israel, they're doing what they should for themselves.

In all honesty, our .gov just has too much of our money to spend. If they had less they might be a bit smarter about it. How many times are we giving money to both side of a fight? That's idiotic.
 
total newb said:
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Find another place that is full of non-Muslims.... The entire region is warring tribes of various Muslim beliefs that kill each other as well as anyone else.


The fact that the CIA and US government can't look past the end of their nose before they prop up evil dictators is a whole different problem.
 
Chevy_man said:
Find another place that is full of non-Muslims.... The entire region is warring tribes of various Muslim beliefs that kill each other as well as anyone else.
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There are plenty of stable places in the middle east that are predominately Muslim. The US military keeps assets in those countries. Off the top of my head:

Saudi Arabia
United Arab Emirates
Qatar
Oman
Bahrain
Kuwait
and of course don't forget Turkey. Pretty sure we've got nukes stored there.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
There are plenty of stable places in the middle east that are predominately Muslim. The US military keeps assets in those countries. Off the top of my head:

Saudi Arabia
United Arab Emirates
Qatar
Oman
Bahrain
Kuwait
and of course don't forget Turkey. Pretty sure we've got nukes stored there.
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And they've all been full of turmoil and corruption. The UAE is slightly stable, but that can change at the drop of a hat.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
There are plenty of stable places in the middle east that are predominately Muslim. The US military keeps assets in those countries. Off the top of my head:

Saudi Arabia
United Arab Emirates
Qatar
Oman
Bahrain
Kuwait
and of course don't forget Turkey. Pretty sure we've got nukes stored there.
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But all those places fund the shitholes Israel is fighting, they also have economies completely dependent on oil exports. Look at what happened when Russia invaded Ukraine. If any of those countries did it the others would dick slap them for fucking with oil because America would use it to bring some freedom to that sweet sweet oil.
 
Chevy_man said:
And they've all been full of turmoil and corruption. The UAE is slightly stable, but that can change at the drop of a hat.
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You said:
Chevy_man said:
It's the only stable place in the region that we can store assets at.
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The US stores assets in all of the countries I mentioned. They even see Turkey as stable enough to store B61 nukes there. I think right now Israel is showing us they're less stable than the rest of those I listed.


Pocahontas said:
But all those places fund the shitholes Israel is fighting, they also have economies completely dependent on oil exports. Look at what happened when Russia invaded Ukraine. If any of those countries did it the others would dick slap them for fucking with oil because America would use it to bring some freedom to that sweet sweet oil.
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Doesn't change the fact we've got military assets in all of those countries.
 
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The economy of Turkey is not dependent upon oil exports. I will wager their recent election was less corrupt than ours. Motor will agree with the triceratops on this. :flipoff2:
 
Splib said:
The economy of Turkey is not dependent upon oil exports. I will wager their recent election was less corrupt than ours. Motor will agree with the triceratops on this. :flipoff2:
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Jordan has no position in this. They just want their Jordache jeans and cold Coca-Cola sir.
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
We should just mind our fucking business and let them sort it out. If it spills over into the US for some reason that's when it becomes our problem.

This will never end, and in another 1000yrs it will still be happening, so why waste resources and people on such a hopeless cause. :shaking:
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As much as I’m not a fan of Teddy Roosevelt he was right, walk softly and carry a big stick. Keep our shit in our side of the globe if someone fucks with our shit way overreact and take over their country, if the people aren’t going to accept it get rid of the people. Worked well for Britain for 500 years, as soon as they started giving all the natives their countries back they became shit holes.

People think twice before ducking with a person who is slightly crazy, one of the reasons trump was great. Countries weren’t going to mess with him because he is just crazy enough to do anything if provoked. Aka salimi boy. World is soft and full of feelings now though, no more survival of the fittest.
 
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