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iBooster Electric Brake Booster

Are you running a complete separate pump system just for the hydro-boost?
Is he running a complete separate electrical system? In both cases, you don’t lose brakes, so not really a need for a separate system. But if your asking me which systems fails more electrical or power steering? My answer is electrical every time.

Question for OP, a HB system (or vacuum booster) has an accumulator so you have one stab at the brakes if your hydrolic drops out. Is there any capacitor to give you one stop on this?
 
Is he running a complete separate electrical system? In both cases, you don’t lose brakes, so not really a need for a separate system. But if your asking me which systems fails more electrical or power steering? My answer is electrical every time.

Question for OP, a HB system (or vacuum booster) has an accumulator so you have one stab at the brakes if your hydrolic drops out. Is there any capacitor to give you one stop on this?
Not that I'm aware of, when it turns off it's a pretty instantaneous lack of brake boosting. In my case at least, I'd have to lose both the battery and alternator for it to stop working.
 
Is he running a complete separate electrical system? In both cases, you don’t lose brakes, so not really a need for a separate system. But if your asking me which systems fails more electrical or power steering? My answer is electrical every time.

If the electrical part of the i-booster fails, your brakes suck.

If the hydraulic side of a hydro-boost fails, both the brakes and the steering sucks.
 
Well hell...I might just give this a try.

My manual brakes have always been "meh", especially in low-low.

Looks like you can get a Gen2, which is smaller and lighter, for about $150. Add in the wiring, and you're in it less than $250.

I'll need to swap from nylon to stainless lines...but it's worth it to have a killer brake system.

I'd thought about hydroboost, but screw that if this is out there.

I'll need to switch to a single master pedal setup, but that's not that much either.
 
All this electrical talk brings the question, if the electrical side of this fails, do your brakes still work mechanically? IE: the little motor takes a crap. I'd hate for it to be worse than my current Willwood master/pedal system.
 
Wonder how weather resistant this unit is in an open buggy. Water, mud, power washing, is different than being in hidden in a engine compartment of a production vehicle.

I do like this idea for many reasons over the other options
 
All this electrical talk brings the question, if the electrical side of this fails, do your brakes still work mechanically?
Yes. If the screw can be back driven by the spring then you can also back drive it with pedal pressure. Mechanically it's basically like a power steering gearbox in reverse.
 
Wonder how weather resistant this unit is in an open buggy. Water, mud, power washing, is different than being in hidden in a engine compartment of a production vehicle.

I do like this idea for many reasons over the other options
Yeah that's the only thing I'm worried about. For a street rig it should be great though.
 
That's not how master sizing for assisted brakes work.
He didn't say he was changing the master or pedal ratio. He made it sound like he would be shoehorning it into an existing system.
 
He didn't say he was changing the master or pedal ratio. He made it sound like he would be shoehorning it into an existing system.
Nope, complete replacement. I have dual Willwood masters right now and it's packaged pretty tight. My orbital is just in front of the existing masters.
I went looking for pics but don't have any worth posting.
 
Wonder how weather resistant this unit is in an open buggy. Water, mud, power washing, is different than being in hidden in a engine compartment of a production vehicle.

I do like this idea for many reasons over the other options
I wonder if it kicks in the brakes if you "trick" the pedal feedback to tell it that the pedal has been pushed in?
If so, it could be used to run electric over hydraulic brakes for a trailer with hydraulic brakes.
Edit, looks like: iBooster Controller ECU - SGH Innovations has an adapter to do that.



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Probably not a ton worse. You're just pushing through the spring and the gear friction.

I haven’t looked in to how this works. Since it appears you have, question. If it were to fail while you are pushing the brakes, will they be stuck on? If you had a switch to cut power while pushing the brakes, could you use it as a parking brake?
 
I haven’t looked in to how this works. Since it appears you have, question. If it were to fail while you are pushing the brakes, will they be stuck on? If you had a switch to cut power while pushing the brakes, could you use it as a parking brake?
No
 
I wonder if it kicks in the brakes if you "trick" the pedal feedback to tell it that the pedal has been pushed in?
It can. He covers it in the video. IDK if the pedal sensor is a switch or if it's variable resistance based or PWM on force. IDK if it's more complex than a dumb switch though in order to give proper "pedal feel" or if the "pedal feel" is wholly the spring. If it's just a dumb switch or resistance based that's easy. If it's a PWM that feeds the controller then that's probably harder to make work independently.

If so, it could be used to run electric over hydraulic brakes for a trailer with hydraulic brakes.


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IDK why I didn't think of that.
I haven’t looked in to how this works. Since it appears you have, question. If it were to fail while you are pushing the brakes, will they be stuck on? If you had a switch to cut power while pushing the brakes, could you use it as a parking brake?
Watch the video. The geometry is similar to a power steering gear. There's a really steep pitch ball screw so it back drives just fine.
 
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Watch the video. The geometry is similar to a power steering gear. There's a really steep pitch ball screw so it back drives just fine.
Would probably need a solenoid (like a reverse lockout solenoid for surge brakes, but run the other way) to lock the brakes in "applied" position if the pin gets pulled, but otherwise it could work.

Aaron Z
 
Would probably need a solenoid (like a reverse lockout solenoid for surge brakes, but run the other way) to lock the brakes in "applied" position if the pin gets pulled,
That's the environment's problem. :flipoff2:
 
Wonder how weather resistant this unit is in an open buggy. Water, mud, power washing, is different than being in hidden in a engine compartment of a production vehicle.

I do like this idea for many reasons over the other options
I would think it has to be pretty decently weatherproof. If anything, pack the plugs with some dielectric grease, and if one so chooses, a small rain deflection shield.

They're looking cheap enough, that even if I had to swap another in, in a couple years...not much more at all than a regular dual diaphram booster.

But, I wheel out on the Western half, where mud is something normally we avoid, and aren't really fond of dealing with to being with :laughing:
 
I would think it has to be pretty decently weatherproof. If anything, pack the plugs with some dielectric grease, and if one so chooses, a small rain deflection shield.
Could also pot it in epoxy
 
I would think it has to be pretty decently weatherproof. If anything, pack the plugs with some dielectric grease, and if one so chooses, a small rain deflection shield.

They're looking cheap enough, that even if I had to swap another in, in a couple years...not much more at all than a regular dual diaphram booster.

But, I wheel out on the Western half, where mud is something normally we avoid, and aren't really fond of dealing with to being with :laughing:
That was my thought, obviously it's meant for cars in all weather and the plugs have all the normal seals and stuff. Be interesting how it handles mud, but being in Utah I try and avoid that. As far as normal water I wouldn't be worried, maybe not hit it full blast with the power washer but that goes for electronics in general. How it handles mud getting everywhere is a different question though and hopefully I'm not one to find out.
 
I would think it has to be pretty decently weatherproof. If anything, pack the plugs with some dielectric grease, and if one so chooses, a small rain deflection shield.

They're looking cheap enough, that even if I had to swap another in, in a couple years...not much more at all than a regular dual diaphram booster.

But, I wheel out on the Western half, where mud is something normally we avoid, and aren't really fond of dealing with to being with :laughing:
Stuck in Iowa so dealing with muddy trails is sad part of wheeling. I'm going to keep my eyes open for a few of these units for the new buggy. Hell works case it doesn't work out I can fall back to vacuum or hydro
 
This thing is sick.

Probably a little tricky for a retrofit, due to the bulkiness and odd shape, but tits for a new build.

The dimensions/shape look like they would lend themselves well to an underfloor mount (hot rod style) as well?
 
This looks super straightforward, thanks for the pictures. I was about to order a hydroboost kit for a super duty axle swap on my 78 F150 any day now but this seems simpler, not to mention way cheaper.

I think the only complication for my application is hooking up the pedal but that’s trivial. The rod coming out of the booster is about the right length and everything.

I’ll be running 40’s as well, and will be 2000lbs heavier than your buggy (I’m guessing around 6000 once I have a cage and sliders) but from your description it sounds like you have plenty of brake power to spare.
 
This looks super straightforward, thanks for the pictures. I was about to order a hydroboost kit for a super duty axle swap on my 78 F150 any day now but this seems simpler, not to mention way cheaper.

I think the only complication for my application is hooking up the pedal but that’s trivial. The rod coming out of the booster is about the right length and everything.

I’ll be running 40’s as well, and will be 2000lbs heavier than your buggy (I’m guessing around 6000 once I have a cage and sliders) but from your description it sounds like you have plenty of brake power to spare.
On my 78 Hilux it was extremely simple install. I drilled four holes in the firewall since the bolt pattern was different than stock, and then just welded a little bracket on the stock brake pedal for the eyelet, then just wires and run brake lines.

It certainly feels like I have tons of braking power. The only thing I want to improve is the pedal feel, I'm running all stainless soft lines so I think it makes the pedal a bit mushy. It works fine, but I think it'd be a lot better with hard lines down the chassis and axles which I'll do soon.
 
This is great!
I've been interested since I saw the superfastmatt video but I could not find all the information that you have.
 
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