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AgitatedPancake said:
No idea about this battery tech, but battery buffers in the electric grid are becoming more and more common. Wouldn't be surprised if the biggest charging stations end up with their own megapacks to stabilize grid demand
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Like big ass capacitors or something?

To get super sci-fi-ish: if humans ever want to spread out to other parts of the galaxy, they had better perfect EVs because it makes no sense to haul a bunch of earth fuel every where we go.
 
AgitatedPancake said:
No idea about this battery tech, but battery buffers in the electric grid are becoming more and more common. Wouldn't be surprised if the biggest charging stations end up with their own megapacks to stabilize grid demand
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That was the sales pitch last week actually. Lots of fed money to install electric chargers, brought up demand charges and that was the solution. Big ass battery bank, yeah I'm not feeling that idea.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
Like big ass capacitors or something?

To get super sci-fi-ish: if humans ever want to spread out to other parts of the galaxy, they had better perfect EVs because it makes no sense to haul a bunch of earth fuel every where we go.
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Essentially yep, That's one of Tesla's other products. They set up huge battery installations to charge during low demand, and discharge during high demand (or power station interruptions) to stabilize grids in general. There are a few stateside already, a handful across the world, and seem to be scaling pretty significantly

https://www.tesla.com/megapack
 
Weasel said:
That was the sales pitch last week actually. Lots of fed money to install electric chargers, brought up demand charges and that was the solution. Big ass battery bank, yeah I'm not feeling that idea.
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While it would help with chargers demand spikes, the impact of huge battery banks supporting the grid in general are pretty rad
 
Ditchrunner said:
There have been a flurry of “OMG, this is THE battery technology that will make electric everything possible “ in the last 5 years and none of them have made it to market yet. I think I’ll not hold my breath on this.

I do hope at least one of the technologies is the answer though.
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yup

I'm hopeful still
 
AgitatedPancake said:
Essentially yep, That's one of Tesla's other products. They set up huge battery installations to charge during low demand, and discharge during high demand (or power station interruptions) to stabilize grids in general. There are a few stateside already, a handful across the world, and seem to be scaling pretty significantly

https://www.tesla.com/megapack
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there's guys on here that have been involved with those, the thread was in a solar power context
iirc they're just used for gaming the "peak hours" billing stuff, and they don't actually store a significant amount of juice for their cost
and they catch fire REALLY good
 
AgitatedPancake said:
While it would help with chargers demand spikes, the impact of huge battery banks supporting the grid in general are pretty rad
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I agree. But, I am not willing to integrate into the grid yet with all the possibilities of having everything I generate going into the ether. I have solar with battery storage on my own house, but I'm unwilling to just drain the batteries back to the grid for some others to use. Probably says more about me though...
 
dntsdad said:
Tesla has been selling a good amount of cars since like what? 2012??

83 deaths in roughly 12 years doesn't sound all that bad to me.

How many of these are battery caught fire after getting plowed by another car vs. nun was driving at 10 and 2 and car bbq'ed her?

Kinda like died of covid vs. died with covid.

Just another data point in the Elon is the Devil nonsense.
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My buddy's brother was driving down the road in his Tesla just a few weeks ago, for no reason at all the battery exploded burning his feet so badly he was in the hospital for over a week and is in a wheelchair currently.

Here is a pic of his car

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It seems they do randomly burst in flames.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
Like big ass capacitors or something?

To get super sci-fi-ish: if humans ever want to spread out to other parts of the galaxy, they had better perfect EVs because it makes no sense to haul a bunch of earth fuel every where we go.
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As if Xanor Blorthrax III home planet of the Domanchians isn't running coking ovens to turn their iron ore into pig iron
 
crispins said:
My buddy's brother was driving down the road in his Tesla just a few weeks ago, for no reason at all the battery exploded burning his feet so badly he was in the hospital for over a week and is in a wheelchair currently.

Here is a pic of his car

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It seems they do randomly burst in flames.
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Oh, I am not saying they haven't. Not at all.

Honda Civics ( I think it was a few years back) throttles stick and kill people too.

Anything Elon gets hyped though was my point.
 
dntsdad said:
Oh, I am not saying they haven't. Not at all.

Honda Civics ( I think it was a few years back) throttles stick and kill people too.

Anything Elon gets hyped though was my point.
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I'm rooting for electric cars to one day be good enough for me to want to buy them, buuut- I have to say that I would take a stuck throttle over a conflagration at my feet any day.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
I'm rooting for electric cars to one day be good enough for me to want to buy them, buuut- I have to say that I would take a stuck throttle over a conflagration at my feet any day.
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Me too.

My point is that is that if this wasn't Musk, or at least preTwitter Musk, this wouldn't be in the news cycle. Anything and everything that can "hurt" Musk gets more time than it deserves.

83 fires in 12 years doesn't rise to that "outcry" level IMO. Sucks for those families of course though.
 
dntsdad said:
Me too.

My point is that is that if this wasn't Musk, or at least preTwitter Musk, this wouldn't be in the news cycle. Anything and everything that can "hurt" Musk gets more time than it deserves.

83 fires in 12 years doesn't rise to that "outcry" level IMO. Sucks for those families of course though.
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The intardnet exaggerates everything.
 
AgitatedPancake said:
No idea about this battery tech, but battery buffers in the electric grid are becoming more and more common. Wouldn't be surprised if the biggest charging stations end up with their own megapacks to stabilize grid demand
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If nuclear hadn’t become so scary to so many people, imagine each charging station being fueled by its own compact reactor.
 
Still gotta charge them. The elephant in the room for widespread EV adoption is that our power grid isn't even close to being able to support it.
 
bdkw1 said:
Yeah, it charges faster. Who the fuck cares? At 60X the charging rate of a lion battery, no eletric grid is going to support a charging station with 10 ev's with these plugged in. When they throttle back the current to keep from overloading the feed, they won't charge any faster than they do now.
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east_beast said:
Still gotta charge them. The elephant in the room for widespread EV adoption is that our power grid isn't even close to being able to support it.
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They could have big diesel generators at the charging stations.


Joking aside, I believe EVs will take over the market eventually, but they need to do it without grants or incentives. I will buy one if and when it works for me.

It sure seems like Musk is doing a lot of good stuff. I’m kind of wondering when (and if) we see the dark side of him.
 
WaterH said:
They could have big diesel generators at the charging stations.


Joking aside, I believe EVs will take over the market eventually, but they need to do it without grants or incentives. I will buy one if and when it works for me.

It sure seems like Musk is doing a lot of good stuff. I’m kind of wondering when (and if) we see the dark side of him.
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They pretty much can't until we overhaul our power grid. There's just no way around it. And given current technology nuclear is the only real solution and there's a lot of headwind against that approach and it would be years down the road to see it's impact on the grid even if we got started on it today.
 
east_beast said:
They pretty much can't until we overhaul our power grid. There's just no way around it. And given current technology nuclear is the only real solution and there's a lot of headwind against that approach and it would be years down the road to see it's impact on the grid even if we got started on it today.
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I think that solar could get better and you charge your car without the grid. Then you would only need the grid when you travel long distance. (Assuming they lower charging times)
 
WaterH said:
I think that solar could get better and you charge your car without the grid. Then you would only need the grid when you travel long distance. (Assuming they lower charging times)
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Solar would have to get a LOT better and it's not a viable solution in some areas.
 
WaterH said:
I think that solar could get better and you charge your car without the grid. Then you would only need the grid when you travel long distance. (Assuming they lower charging times)
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Energy extraction/capture/converstion from gas/diesel/oil has increased significantly over the past 150 years, and very slightly over the past 50 years

Solar made a huge leap over the early decades of stuff, but is really pretty low stuck in the low 20%'s and would need to make massive leaps to get closer to 75% before people would say "better". That's a massive shift and, generally, unlikely
 
east_beast said:
They pretty much can't until we overhaul our power grid. There's just no way around it. And given current technology nuclear is the only real solution and there's a lot of headwind against that approach and it would be years down the road to see it's impact on the grid even if we got started on it today.
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Not to mention all the metals, aluminum, copper, steel, etc that it would take to massively increase the grid to handle the load.
 
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