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“Goodbye Joe” Tom MacDonald

Not so fast, it started way before that.
Lots of deregulation of industries, scandals, social security has been used for everything but its intended purpose for a long time now (gov pet projects and money theft), a whole lot of other shady stuff.

I think somewhere around Vietnam war era or so brought us the present shit show...
See my other post where I said basically that
 
No arguments here, this is good conversation. Responding to your paragraphs in order:

I agree, the Obama administration did some straight up socialist bullshit to this country. Things that Trump was starting to undo. This is what gives me hope, we might have had shit administrations in the past, but so far nothing that can't be undone. Recent Supreme Court ruling on things have been pretty favorable too.

Never feel helpless, ever.

Completely agree. Unfortunately this has been and will always be the case. You can't save them all so why not focus on saving the ones you can.

I agree, keep your head out of the sand, be aware, but don't let the negative rule your life.

well said.

The downfall of America started on 9/11 when people have up liberties and freedom in the name of security.

nah, it starts apathy...with people saying if it doesn't effect me I don't care. Everything in your community and country will effect you if ignore it long enough. You have to care and provide input to keep the balance.
 
It was during the prime years of those generations that things went off the rails (Woodrow Wilson, FDR, LBJ...). Obama was a piker compared to those.

For sure, but at least from those whom I knew that served they where vehemently pro freedoms and democracy. They'd smack down anybody suggesting otherwise. Thats my perspective on it. As those people died, that notion softened up, and kept snowballing.
 
For sure, but at least from those whom I knew that served they where vehemently pro freedoms and democracy. They'd smack down anybody suggesting otherwise. Thats my perspective on it. As those people died, that notion softened up, and kept snowballing.
Out of curiosity, why did you use the word democracy?
 
They are pretty good Americans for being Canadian.
 
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