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BiggusBuilt

BiggusBuilt

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I'm completely illiterate when it comes to this stuff. I've done my homework and research with reading through Billavista thread and scrolling through old OG Pirate forums on full hydro setups but for the most part those were all kits that were being bought and put on. I'm using what I got off people second hand. The only new thing on this is a factory power steering pump for a WJ (which is apparently better than the XJ for whatever reason I'm not sure) The pump is a TC style that should be putting out (1350-1450 PSI) I have everything mounted and figured out for the most part but I'm struggling on trying to find proper way to route everything while using a remote oil filter. I have low pressure hydro filter and oil filter mount so with that being said it's stuck being on the return side of the hose. So, should I mount the filter between the pump and cooler? or between the cooler and pump?

Or my initial thought put the filter right off the Steering control unit (Orbital) so it filters everything before going into the cooler and back to the pump?
If that's the case mounting the remote mount will be a PITA but if it saves everything from being wiped out by a part failure I'll get creative with making a mount.
 

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I've watched that video a couple of times. He says what everyone else says/does uses a reservoir that cost half as much as my entire steering system. I've seen multiple people with the same setup I'm running but they all skip the filter which I don't get? Because as he states in the video these are not stock steering systems, they require filtration to keep contaminates out.
 
I’ve never ran a filter on three rigs now. Not one ounce of problems with dirty fluid. Make sure you have enough cooler is of more concern than a filter. Everyone I wheel with doesn’t run a filter either.
 
It's a sealed system. If you've got contaminants in your steering system, you have problems.
 
Crashhawk said:
It's a sealed system. If you've got contaminants in your steering system, you have problems.
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So are almost all hydraulic systems. Most have filters.

I guess if it's a cheap pump, probably not a huge deal if it shits the bed from contaninments.
 
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AKnate said:
So are almost all hydraulic systems. Most have filters.

I guess if it's a cheap pump, probably not a huge deal if it shits the bed from contaninments.
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Yeah I'm going to put it on the shelf for now until I get a better pump that is actually worth saving.

Appriciate all the quick responses on this subject. 🍻
 
I just got back from my local hydraulic shop that made my hoses for my steering and I feel like I just shot myself in the foot again. I have all -8AN fitting on my steering system figuring that would be the best for trail riding and the occasional road driving on the weekends. I saw that most people running that size were going with a 1/2 ID hose diameter I don't remember where I read that or saw it. But now I'm in the garage mocking these up I ran out of room pretty quickly. Is anyone else running this size? as of now I just have hoses from my orbital valve to my ram I still need 2 more hosses from my pump to the orbital should I get 2 more hoses in 1/2ID or go down to a 3/8 ID to save some room? I know going from big to small isn't ideal and could cause air bubbles to form in the system.
 
All my and as I've seen most of them out there are -6 (3/8) on pressure side.

But since you already started and have -8 I'd say stick with that. Idk if having mixed sizes would throw anything off or not but if you gotta repair something it'd be easier to not have to mess with 2 different sizes
 
BiggusBuilt said:
Or my initial thought put the filter right off the Steering control unit (Orbital) so it filters everything before going into the cooler and back to the pump?
If that's the case mounting the remote mount will be a PITA but if it saves everything from being wiped out by a part failure I'll get creative with making a mount.
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YES


BiggusBuilt said:
I just got back from my local hydraulic shop that made my hoses for my steering and I feel like I just shot myself in the foot again. I have all -8AN fitting on my steering system figuring that would be the best for trail riding and the occasional road driving on the weekends. I saw that most people running that size were going with a 1/2 ID hose diameter I don't remember where I read that or saw it. But now I'm in the garage mocking these up I ran out of room pretty quickly. Is anyone else running this size? as of now I just have hoses from my orbital valve to my ram I still need 2 more hosses from my pump to the orbital should I get 2 more hoses in 1/2ID or go down to a 3/8 ID to save some room? I know going from big to small isn't ideal and could cause air bubbles to form in the system.
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Use 3/8 pressure (pump to orbital and orbital to ram x2) and 1/2 pushlock / AN return
 
one thing you can do to get everything figured out at the beginning before going to hydro shop and paying to have pre made hoses is go the farm store and get hydro hose from there. a 72" x 3/8 hose cost a little over 20 bucks. you will need to adapt it to an fitting, but thats easy. i think this hose was rated at 4000 psi. they have a bunch of sizes in stock usually. just an idea.

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the_white_shadow said:
Run a filter.

-12 from reservoir to pump
-10 return line
-8 from pump to orbital
-6 down tot he ram
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Would you recommend having all -6 fittings on the orbital so it would match the -6 fittings on the ram? I currently have -8 on all the ports on the orbital side.
 
chaplinfj60 said:
one thing you can do to get everything figured out at the beginning before going to hydro shop and paying to have pre made hoses is go the farm store and get hydro hose from there. a 72" x 3/8 hose cost a little over 20 bucks. you will need to adapt it to an fitting, but thats easy. i think this hose was rated at 4000 psi. they have a bunch of sizes in stock usually. just an idea.

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I like you're thinking. Thanks!
 
BiggusBuilt said:
Would you recommend having all -6 fittings on the orbital so it would match the -6 fittings on the ram? I currently have -8 on all the ports on the orbital side.
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So -8 ORB to -6AN (JIC) for the ram.
-8 ORB to -8AN (JIC) for the pump
and -8 OR to -10AN for the return.
 
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I have most of my previous problems figured out now. I have everything to run a filter for this system so I might well use it that way it's in and when I upgrade the pump to a better one from Radial Dynamics it's all good to go.

I switched the fittings and hoses on the ram to 3/8 ID and -6 fittings everything else is still the -8. I got the cheap farm hose from my local Farm & Fleet and got some hose adapter fittings for said farm hose which for anyone wondering that style hose is a pipe thread fitting that will have to adapt to the AN style fittings on the orbital and pump.

Appreciate all the useful information from everyone!
 
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