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FTC bans non compete agreements

all the talk about how they're useless contracts anyways entirely misses the point

just like "our" money and most of "our" laws, people believe in them and that's enough for them to be the most functional kind of shackles; the ones people gleefully* apply to themselves


*I don't know a good word for "pretending to hate their supplication, but going along anyways and actively persecuting anyone around them who doesn't also submit to their own personal hell"
 
Mikenike said:
I'm gonna be honest. About a third of the truck drivers we get these days are women and on the whole most of them are way better at their jobs and more professional than whatever flavor of russian/ukranian/indian/arab male shitheads make up the other two thirds of modern truck driving america. So clearly someone can do it. Just not him and his precious "proprietary knowledge".
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:laughing: on what planet, bro? With VERY few exceprions, women on average take at least 2x as long to learn. Never met a girl who with no experience could park on their own in 30min, met plenty of guys. I did have a girl come through a couple weeks ago who wiped the floor with the guys, was ready to test in 2 days. But, she studied the pretrip aheas of time, and had a horse (and an F450). But zero experience, different story all together.

Anyway, thats not what the thread is about. Its about people willingfully signing a contract snd then expecting the government to bail them out of it. Another step to remove personal responsibility.
 
FWIW I don't want the government banning an employer from requiring that I sign a NCA, it's the employers right to require that just like it's my right to tell them to get fucked.

I'm not for one and against the other... im against both.

And technically, I believe there are circumstances where a NCA is fine.
 
Just like anything, there’s multiple angles to view this from.

Let’s say you’re in an industry where your only way to advance your career is to hire on with a company that requires a NC but you refuse to sign one. Now that Avenue is opened up for those people.

Locally a medical facility closed. All of their employees had signed NC’s. Most probably never had intentions of leaving (small community) and had no hesitation in signing. The NC is still being enforced even though the facility closed, and there’s doctors, practitioners, specialists, nurses, etc that can’t work in town for a year or more.

NDA’s are great, NC’s are trash.
 
Provience said:
How often have you seen the enforced :laughing:

That'd be about national news if one was enforced by the company and not simply the threat in somebody's head.

plenty of people violate them every day to no I'll.

The FTC pretending that their 3 letters are stimulating innovation and not hampering economic activity is the most comical part of it all.

Ah yes, more regulatory hurdles. That always reduces cost and improves dynamism
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Everybody I know that signed one got fucked when they left the company, everybody! Attorney fees are very expensive to fight these and the company knows that the employee type can’t afford to pay the legal expenses.
So YES I’ve seen it happen.
 
crispins said:
I didn't steal someone's ideas, procedures, and employees to get there.

There is a real disconnect here, I am not talking about employees moving jobs, I am talking about employees stealing from their employer and then unscrupulously competing with them.
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You did steal someone's idea. :flipoff2:

You have opened restaurants and sxs rental. Not exactly original ideas. :laughing:

If you're scared someone else will do it better and run you out of business, well, that's just interesting.

I'm not quite sure what kind of super secret squirrel things you do in the back room. I'm pretty sure you're not doing anything special. You take money and give them a ride for a day. :lmao:
 
Gdogg said:
Everybody I know that signed one got fucked when they left the company, everybody! Attorney fees are very expensive to fight these and the company knows that the employee type can’t afford to pay the legal expenses.
So YES I’ve seen it happen.
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Did the employee actually end up in court over it?

Did any try to ignore the attorney letters and court dates through completion of legal proceedings?
 
Chevy_man said:
You did steal someone's idea. :flipoff2:

You have opened restaurants and sxs rental. Not exactly original ideas. :laughing:

If you're scared someone else will do it better and run you out of business, well, that's just interesting.

I'm not quite sure what kind of super secret squirrel things you do in the back room. I'm pretty sure you're not doing anything special. You take money and give them a ride for a day. :lmao:
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No, you are being presumptive.

I am not talking about my current businesses at all

I used to have a consumer finance company, 85 full time employees, 3 full floors on the intercoastal in Boca Raton Florida. That is where I had the issues that still bother me to this day. $60 million a year in revenue, it was a big operation with lots of propertity information I created. Lots of employees came in, stole everything they could, took staff and tried to open the same business using my contracts, my contacts, my procedures, my fucking employees.

Fucking renting side by sides, what kind of douchbag would I be if I thought that was some unique idea that people could steal?
 
Tin Roof said:
Just like anything, there’s multiple angles to view this from.

Let’s say you’re in an industry where your only way to advance your career is to hire on with a company that requires a NC but you refuse to sign one. Now that Avenue is opened up for those people.

Locally a medical facility closed. All of their employees had signed NC’s. Most probably never had intentions of leaving (small community) and had no hesitation in signing. The NC is still being enforced even though the facility closed, and there’s doctors, practitioners, specialists, nurses, etc that can’t work in town for a year or more.

NDA’s are great, NC’s are trash.
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If they're closed they can go fuck themselves
 
My former boss was asked to sign a non-disclosure/non-compete contract when he put in his notice. He had nothing else lined up, just tired of the job after 25 years, and wanted something else. He signed in a heart beat, I would have as well.


They gave him 12 months severance, full pay and benefits, as long as he didn’t work in the same field for the 12 months.
 
crispins said:
No, you are being presumptive.

I am not talking about my current businesses at all

I used to have a consumer finance company, 85 full time employees, 3 full floors on the intercoastal in Boca Raton Florida. That is where I had the issues that still bother me to this day. $60 million a year in revenue, it was a big operation with lots of propertity information I created. Lots of employees came in, stole everything they could, took staff and tried to open the same business using my contracts, my contacts, my procedures, my fucking employees.

Fucking renting side by sides, what kind of douchbag would I be if I thought that was some unique idea that people could steal?
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You must have been doing something wrong if they were so quick to leave.

Are they still in business? Or did you squander your wealth and couldn't weather the storm?
 
Chevy_man said:
You must have been doing something wrong if they were so quick to leave.

Are they still in business? Or did you squander your wealth and couldn't weather the storm?
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Sometimes everybody dies due to that stuff.

Business theft is why I got one of them college degrees in accounting and emphasized tax law. Fuck being ripped by your lawyer and money manager
 
fordguy said:
Anyway, thats not what the thread is about. Its about people willingfully signing a contract snd then expecting the government to bail them out of it. Another step to remove personal responsibility.
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You can sign a lot of things in a contract that aren't legally enforceable or even illegal. According to the company I work for I am an at will employee but as I work in the state of Montana that is not enforceable. Did it stop me from signing the agreement, no because both myself and the HR person who explained the agreement to me knew that it is legally unenforceable.

When I worked in the oilfield I signed a contract to be paid as a salary exempt employee who's pay was salary+day rate bonus. 5 years later it was determined via lawsuit/ftc evaluation that my position was not a supervisory role and so the company was forced to change our pay structure to salary non-exempt. In that case both of us agreed to something that was determined to be illegal and the company had to go back and compensate field employees for not properly paying us. Now personally I liked the pay structure and felt like I had been fairly compensated but it doesn't matter as it was illegal.
 
Simple sign: Non Assumpsit in place of your signed name.
 
Tin Roof said:
Locally a medical facility closed. All of their employees had signed NC’s. Most probably never had intentions of leaving (small community) and had no hesitation in signing. The NC is still being enforced even though the facility closed, and there’s doctors, practitioners, specialists, nurses, etc that can’t work in town for a year or more.

NDA’s are great, NC’s are trash.
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So are they starting to work now that the nca has been mandated moot?

My scenario from earlier is about med field also.
 
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