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JD Mark said:
Repair costs when the battery goes bad?

Or if one is in a crash, repair costs are stupid high.

Tires wearing faster.

Infrastructure to charge not in place.
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No transmission to fill with fluid and then change however often.
No driveshaft to grease or replace u-joints.
Vastly improved brake life.

I'll probably never own one, but never say never.
 
Roc Doc said:
No transmission to fill with fluid and then change however often.
No driveshaft to grease or replace u-joints.
Vastly improved brake life.

I'll probably never own one, but never say never.
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15-20 dollars to drive 150 miles
Wipe your ass with any muscle car in the road
Keep AC on while you go shop and come back to a cool car
Notiming chains, oil changes, coolanr flushes, water pumps, valve cover gaskets, or any of the other 100issues
300k miles estimatd life ?

Had a model 3 performance for two years, sister drives it now. I am a fan.
 
Sandy Johnson said:
On the flip side- the people who probably could benefit from electric cars the most(low income in low income housing or apartments), are hosed because they don't have somewhere to charge at home.
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100 mile range battery, 110 cord out the window, I lived around hood life behavior for 15 years 90% buy three dollars of gas at a time, most aren’t going far.

Played with a volt for a month, it took 21 hours of 110 to regain its 25 mile battery only range. If it was parked, it was plugged in.
 
I could drive one, it would work for my needs.

On paper it makes sense, however, I just don't like them at all.

In the last 2 months I have bought the wife and myself brand new vehicles, both ice.

Now I know there can be problems with any type of vehicle, but the battery fires and explosions really concern me.

3 weeks ago my buddies brother was driving his Tesla when the battery exploded, putting him in the hospital for over a week with really bad burns they think it had to do with driving it through the floodwaters down in Florida, but the thought of my wife driving through a puddle and winding up on the hospital does not sit well with me.
 
Bebop said:
EV gearboxes are filled with fluid.


You still got half shafts like any modern car


yup
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Most don't have gearboxes, (Porsche maybe), differentials sure, but not transmissions. I know they have axle shafts, which is why I specified drive shaft.
 
He was fine selling them as long as he was one of the few doing so. He achieved market equilibrium. Once everybody started making them the supply vastly outpaced the demand and everybody suffered.

Same thing happens in my town. Someone has a good idea for a store or shop. Within a year 3-4 more popup and a year later they all go out of business because there aren't enough customers to keep them all profitable.
 
Void_of_Light said:
He was fine selling them as long as he was one of the few doing so. He achieved market equilibrium. Once everybody started making them the supply vastly outpaced the demand and everybody suffered.

Same thing happens in my town. Someone has a good idea for a store or shop. Within a year 3-4 more popup and a year later they all go out of business because there aren't enough customers to keep them all profitable.
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they still own the market.
 
gunracer1 said:
they still own the market.
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Doesn't matter if the market they hold isn't enough to remain profitable.

There are a limited number of people willing to buy an EV. I would guess 95% of them have already done so. That leaves 3-4 years where the market is just going to dry up. The govt was buying a bunch of them thanks to Bidens idiotic mandates. Anybody building for that is going to be left holding the bag once it ends.

More and more manufacturers are stopping or curtailing building EVs. Maybe Tesla can last long enough to come through, but it's going to hurt for a while.
 
DWT said:
Don't be obtuse you know the answer.:laughing:
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I don't spend much time pondering EV's, especially since I think Hybrids are a much superior design. I remember when the Taycan came out it was a big deal that it had a two speed trans, dunno if anyone else has gone down this path.
 
Roc Doc said:
I don't spend much time pondering EV's, especially since I think Hybrids are a much superior design. I remember when the Taycan came out it was a big deal that it had a two speed trans, dunno if anyone else has gone down this path.
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Agreed, hybrid technology is leaps and bounds superior.


Typically the gearboxes are single speed, you use a glorified rheostat to control current to the motors. The RPM per volt (KV) of the motor calculated with the intended rpm etc etc determines the gearbox ratio.
 
Void_of_Light said:
Doesn't matter if the market they hold isn't enough to remain profitable.

There are a limited number of people willing to buy an EV. I would guess 95% of them have already done so. That leaves 3-4 years where the market is just going to dry up. The govt was buying a bunch of them thanks to Bidens idiotic mandates. Anybody building for that is going to be left holding the bag once it ends.

More and more manufacturers are stopping or curtailing building EVs. Maybe Tesla can last long enough to come through, but it's going to hurt for a while.
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Talked to the Coo of 8 auto dealerships(ford Chevy Subaru Volkswagen Hyundai Kia Audi and nissian) a few weeks back at a wedding I went to. Asked about the electric car thing and it set him off:lmao: He refuses to bring another one of those stupid things into any of his lots. It’s the oldest and slowest moving inventory he has. We live in no where so they don’t fit long distance travel to get anywhere. Nor are there any charge stations around the surrounding areas.

The amount of hate for them was funny. He bought one a e tron I believe and it only lasted a month because the range was not enough to do what he needed.

He agrees with me that a plug in diesel hybrid would be the best but there is no way the manufacturers would do that. They are fully committed to the pure ev atm.
 
Don't you watch Rich Rebuilds? Youtuber who ran a Tesla garage, then got sick of it and started Cummins-swaping them.

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That or in addition it makes the EV owners power bill launch into outer space.

NorCal power rates are thru the roof.



Sandy Johnson said:
On the flip side- the people who probably could benefit from electric cars the most(low income in low income housing or apartments), are hosed because they don't have somewhere to charge at home.
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DirtRoads said:
Mr elon is on a roll today
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Holy shit, yeah that's legit. I knew he was done with CA, but am surprised to see him upheaving the entire SpaceX HQ. That's a hell of a thing



PAE said:
That or in addition it makes the EV owners power bill launch into outer space.

NorCal power rates are thru the roof.
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Meh. Say CA's average power rate per KW/H is $0.35, and many electric cars get 3.5 miles per KW/H (and some better), that ends up being $0.10 per mile driven. Would be the equivalent driving cost of paying $4.50 per gallon of gas and getting 45mpg
 
ThePanzerFuhrer said:
Talked to the Coo of 8 auto dealerships(ford Chevy Subaru Volkswagen Hyundai Kia Audi and nissian) a few weeks back at a wedding I went to. Asked about the electric car thing and it set him off:lmao: He refuses to bring another one of those stupid things into any of his lots. It’s the oldest and slowest moving inventory he has. We live in no where so they don’t fit long distance travel to get anywhere. Nor are there any charge stations around the surrounding areas.

The amount of hate for them was funny. He bought one a e tron I believe and it only lasted a month because the range was not enough to do what he needed.

He agrees with me that a plug in diesel hybrid would be the best but there is no way the manufacturers would do that. They are fully committed to the pure ev atm.
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My buddy in Alabama owns a GMC dealership in hicksville. He had similar sentiments and even elaborated that the "buy in" for him to even sell EV's would not get him ROI in 10 years.

GMC is pissed at him and the other dealers NOT embracing it and now they are buying the EV rights from the dealers so they can prop up their own EV dealers in those areas.
 
CarterKraft said:
My buddy in Alabama owns a GMC dealership in hicksville. He had similar sentiments and even elaborated that the "buy in" for him to even sell EV's would not get him ROI in 10 years.

GMC is pissed at him and the other dealers NOT embracing it and now they are buying the EV rights from the dealers so they can prop up their own EV dealers in those areas.
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I find it stupid how the manufacturers are not at all listening to the dealerships. The dealerships know the pulse of the market. They are the best ones to get feedback from.

The guy I talked too had to put in a bunch of charging stations in at a few of his dealerships. These dealerships are close together in a small area of town. The power utility told him if he plugs a car into every charge station he will knock out the power to half the city:lmao::homer: He replied that won’t happen because we park inventory infront of the stations. It was just a requirement from the manufacturer to have x number of charge stations at the dealership.

I do think ev’s are gonna have a tough sell from now on. All the ev fan bois now have their ev. It’s gonna take a huge range, charge, and or infrastructure change before the rest of us will even consider a stupid ev.
 
A lot of proEV people are changing their minds on them after ownership as well. The city liberals here are getting rid of them because the city won't let you run charging cables across public sidewalks so you can't charge at home unless you have a driveway or private alley parking. City startes enforcing it after getting tons of complaints about cords across sidewalks, people trying to reserve themselves parking, etc.

Unless you own/rent in the suburbs and have your own charging setup and only drive around town, EVs are pointless.

I don't think they ever had all that much public support either. Most the more liberal people I know think they're stupid and think hybrids make way more sense.
 
My problem with EVs is the same problem I had with Elon Musk and the same problem I have with the push to Renewable energy. It was done my Government incentive and then Mandate (or threat thereof). Manufacturers in the beginning were trying to get sweet sweet rebate money by designing and selling EVs. The entire industry, and Tesla in particular, were propped up by government and fueled by manufactured virtue sold by the media.

I have revised my opinion of Musk since then, I still don't like a business model that relies entirely on the government mandating or subsidizing your product. I recognize that government is always going to throw our money away on social and economic experiments and someone is always going to take advantage of that. Musk is pro Human and a free speech advocate, and that seems like a low bar, but for the billionaire class that is exceptional.
 
ThePanzerFuhrer said:
I find it stupid how the manufacturers are not at all listening to the dealerships. The dealerships know the pulse of the market. They are the best ones to get feedback from.

The guy I talked too had to put in a bunch of charging stations in at a few of his dealerships. These dealerships are close together in a small area of town. The power utility told him if he plugs a car into every charge station he will knock out the power to half the city:lmao::homer: He replied that won’t happen because we park inventory infront of the stations. It was just a requirement from the manufacturer to have x number of charge stations at the dealership.

I do think ev’s are gonna have a tough sell from now on. All the ev fan bois now have their ev. It’s gonna take a huge range, charge, and or infrastructure change before the rest of us will even consider a stupid ev.
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some of it is mandates by state as well. IIRC, the Dealer groups in MN just lost a lawsuit against the state requiring ~30% EV vehicles on the lot.

We are not a free market economy.
 
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