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Damn faggy EV F150 is actually impressive

arse_sidewards said:
Do you disagree with anything I said? :flipoff2::flipoff2::flipoff2::flipoff2:


Definitly not happening. The math just doesn't work out. Would still be cool to see as a "float charger" so batteries don't go flat while a vehicle sits
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Of all things, Audi had a solar panel built in the roof of the RS6 in 2003 (and probably other cars in the timeframe) for just this reason. Yes, the battery size is drastically different but it stands to reason with better tech/more space, it would still work - assuming you don't park in a garage which most folks with this expensive of cars will.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
How many miles per month does she drive?

How much did you spend on solar and power wells?
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She's put 10k miles on it since January. The 20 miles is good enough for 80% of around town driving. I wish it was more. Next car, I suppose.

$63k for everything. I'll a $16k tax credit though. The payments are cheaper than my electric bill and it produces 156% of my needs according to their calculator.
 
Mattafact said:
She's put 10k miles on it since January. The 20 miles is good enough for 80% of around town driving. I wish it was more. Next car, I suppose.

$63k for everything. I'll a $16k tax credit though. The payments are cheaper than my electric bill and it produces 156% of my needs according to their calculator.
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The only catch is that stuff will need to be replaced. Hopefully they are currently building systems that last longer than the loan length :laughing:
 
When an EV car, or light truck, pencils out for me to own as a daily driver, ill own one, ill take total cost of ownership into consideration, purchase price, tags, insurance, electricity, resale, battery replacement, all of it.

I'll always have toys, backup cars, and a pre emissions diesel tow rig. My 05 duramax averages 6k miles a year, at 113k now. At this rate, it'll take me till 2042 to reach 250k miles, still considered mid range mileage and reliable for an lly:homer:
 
What ever happened to hydrogen fuel cell cars? They had one on a James may show I was watching and it really seems like the best of both worlds.

Did big oil and solor panel investors team up a suicide all the developers?
 
Hydrogen distribution networks and filling stations are the big thing there. Also, your regular guy would probably not be able to fill high pressure hydrogen by himself safely.
 
I will not be interested in an electric truck until the range while towing 8k+ lbs is 500+ miles. I'm guessing that will be around 2035 or later.
 
Bebop said:
Not many diesel trucks can do that either.
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Seriously. Mine can probably eek out 500mi towing but between my two (factory equipped) tanks I carry almost 60 gallons of fuel.

250ish miles towing is much more akin to a modern diesel or gas tow rig.
 
Bebop said:
Not many diesel trucks can do that either.
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Why not?
Even at 10mpg my Dodge can do 500 miles on a tank. Loaded with my skid steer, about 5 tons, it gets ~12-13mpg.
 
Bebop said:
Not many diesel trucks can do that either.
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But I can refuel the diesel truck in less than 5 minutes and keep going.

That Ford EV isn't going to be able to drive 3-5 hrs out of town to some remote wheeling location, wheel all weekend, and make it back home. There won't be anywhere to charge it out in the wilderness.
 
AKnate said:
Why not?
Even at 10mpg my Dodge can do 500 miles on a tank. Loaded with my skid steer, about 5 tons, it gets ~12-13mpg.
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I don't know any Dodge with a factory 50 gallon tank. Maybe I'm wrong.

DannyK said:
But I can refuel the diesel truck in less than 5 minutes and keep going.

That Ford EV isn't going to be able to drive 3-5 hrs out of town to some remote wheeling location, wheel all weekend, and make it back home. There won't be anywhere to charge it out in the wilderness.
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I definitely understand that. But why couldn't you recharge it on a genset ?
Usually, after you're arrived to an offroad park, the tow rig doesn't move much during the rest of the weekend.


I'm not saying this is the perfect solution, but I see it as a work around if you're interested in switching to EVs. For myself, I have a 20 mile commute. And multiple parks I can day ride at (less than 2h driving time). I can see how beneficial a capable half ton EV like the F150 would be in my case.

For a further park / weekend trip with a camper etc, I don't see myself driving an EV yet, but that's why I have 2 vehicles.
 
Bebop said:
I don't know any Dodge with a factory 50 gallon tank. Maybe I'm wrong.


I definitely understand that. But why couldn't you recharge it on a genset ?

Usually, after you're arrived to an offroad park, the tow rig doesn't move much during the rest of the weekend.


I'm not saying this is the perfect solution, but I see it as a work around if you're interested in switching to EVs. For myself, I have a 20 mile commute. And multiple parks I can day ride at (less than 2h driving time). I can see how beneficial a capable half ton EV like the F150 would be in my case.

For a further park / weekend trip with a camper etc, I don't see myself driving an EV yet, but that's why I have 2 vehicles.
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2008. It's 52 or 54 gallons. The newer ones are 75 gallons.
 
Bebop said:
Not doubting you, just saying that most trucks are around 30 gal.
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I know my 1 ton C&C Ford is only about that. 2 tanks, about 17 gallons each. One is behind the axle and the other is along the frame.
Should just have 2 saddle tanks like a square body Chev. Could hold 40+ gallons each.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Well since we're here..... I had to look it up. These are public charging rates, but I feel like we were paying about that rate when we left. It's very convoluted how much they charge you, so charging at night will probably be cheaper, but here it is.

Drivers in California may expect to pay 30 cents per kWh to charge on Level 2, and 40 cents per kWh for DC fast charging. At these rates, the same Nissan LEAF with a 150-mile range and 40-kWh battery would cost about $12.00 to fully charge (from empty to full) using Level 2, and $16.00 with DC fast charging.

So basically $0.10/ mile.

If you take a similar car getting 45 mpg, fuel has to be over $4.50/gal for the gas engine to be more expensive to drive :lmao:

Charging at night could cut the cost in half, but either way its still possible for the gas car to be similar or cheaper if fuel prices aren't ridiculous.

Fwiw, the same charge would be $2.40 here :laughing:
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Everyone is different, but PGE has an electric car rate plan, it is $0.084 kWH for off peak charging.
For those that don't know, the cars all have a timer built into them, you plug in the car in and then it won't start charging until midnight.
I always seem people talk about how much they think it costs to charge an electric car and then share via social media or texts, I wonder how many are just flat out wrong.
I live in the San Francisco Bay area, I'm sure I have to be paying the most.
 
AKnate said:
I know my 1 ton C&C Ford is only about that. 2 tanks, about 17 gallons each. One is behind the axle and the other is along the frame.
Should just have 2 saddle tanks like a square body Chev. Could hold 40+ gallons each.
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Should be 19/19 on your truck unless shit is 2-gal worth of dented. :laughing:
 
arse_sidewards said:
My commute is 100mi/day and I could charge at work if I wanted. The target demographics here is not the JR4Xs and the 2BBs of the world. It's richer, dumber, more free spending versions of people like me who work in an office and who's "truck stuff" is mostly local and on the weekends. These aren't the kind of people who trailer their toys to a destination 4hr away. These are the kind of people who have a boat they launch locally. Most of them will never have the balls to hitch it to something anywhere near the official tow rating so range will probably be more like 75% or whatever.



The people who should really be pissed off by this are the dumbass Toyota fanboys. But they wouldn't be dumbass Toyota fanboys if they could think that far ahead. Tacomas are pretty much exclusively sold to lefties who consider fullsize trucks to be for hicks. Sure there's a couple country boys who buy them but they're outnumbered 100:1 by yuppies who bought a house in the wealthy suburb of Karenville because "good schols". These people barely have any use for a truck bed. They'd all be driving crew cab trucks if the whole 15mpg wasn't so ideologically offensive to them. And they will buy the EV F150 in droves. Because it lets them replace their Tesla commuter car and their Tacoma weekend Home Depot car with a single vehicle without the stigma that fullsize trucks otherwise carry in their tiny minds.

Along those same lines, whoever electrifies their SUVs first is gonna mop the fuckin floor with the 4Runner and Pilot.
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Hey, ease up on the new Toyota purchasers! WTF am I gonna wheel in 30 years?:flipoff2::flipoff2:
 
arse_sidewards said:
The people who should really be pissed off by this are the dumbass Toyota fanboys. But they wouldn't be dumbass Toyota fanboys if they could think that far ahead. Tacomas are pretty much exclusively sold to lefties who consider fullsize trucks to be for hicks. Sure there's a couple country boys who buy them but they're outnumbered 100:1 by yuppies who bought a house in the wealthy suburb of Karenville because "good schols". These people barely have any use for a truck bed. They'd all be driving crew cab trucks if the whole 15mpg wasn't so ideologically offensive to them. And they will buy the EV F150 in droves. Because it lets them replace their Tesla commuter car and their Tacoma weekend Home Depot car with a single vehicle without the stigma that fullsize trucks otherwise carry in their tiny minds.

Along those same lines, whoever electrifies their SUVs first is gonna mop the fuckin floor with the 4Runner and Pilot.
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Holy shit - you described Reno, NV to a T. I can't believe I agree with a Masshole. Well done sir!
 
So I just saw a video from out of spec reviews on youtube that took a lightning and charged to 100% (which he had to tell the truck to allow) and made a 270.1 mi round trip on pretty much flat calm interstate @70mph and had to be pushed the last 100 feet or so. That's empty with 1 person in vehicle and the large 131Kw\h battery. If you take that and TFL's video where they tested against the gas and diesel 1\2T's it cost them $0.31 per Kw\h to charge back up so math time..

270.1 miles 100% battery would cost you $40.61 or roughly $0.15 per mile. To me it seems like unless you charge at home almost all the time the EV is not really going to save you enough to make up for the payments. The other thing is how much towing draws that down which I'm sure we will see a long range towing test here soon.
 
Bebop said:
I don't know any Dodge with a factory 50 gallon tank. Maybe I'm wrong.


I definitely understand that. But why couldn't you recharge it on a genset ?
Usually, after you're arrived to an offroad park, the tow rig doesn't move much during the rest of the weekend.


I'm not saying this is the perfect solution, but I see it as a work around if you're interested in switching to EVs. For myself, I have a 20 mile commute. And multiple parks I can day ride at (less than 2h driving time). I can see how beneficial a capable half ton EV like the F150 would be in my case.

For a further park / weekend trip with a camper etc, I don't see myself driving an EV yet, but that's why I have 2 vehicles.
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I'm not interested in buying a truck that requires me to haul around a generator to recharge it. I know nothing about generators. Do they even sell 240v generators for a reasonable price? From what I understand, recharging a car on 110v would take 3 days.

My opinion is that the battery technology isn't ready for what the manufacturers are doing, but nobody wants to be last, so they are all building cars/trucks with less than ideal range.

The lightning has a range of 230-320 miles depending on which battery pack you buy. I'm pretty sure a standard gas F150 has a range of 500+ miles. Sounds to me like the battery needs to have twice the power to be equal.
 
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Guessing he has a 4500 or 5500, they have a 22 gallon mid tank and 52 gallon rear tank I believe
 
welndmn said:
Everyone is different, but PGE has an electric car rate plan, it is $0.084 kWH for off peak charging.
For those that don't know, the cars all have a timer built into them, you plug in the car in and then it won't start charging until midnight.
I always seem people talk about how much they think it costs to charge an electric car and then share via social media or texts, I wonder how many are just flat out wrong.
I live in the San Francisco Bay area, I'm sure I have to be paying the most.
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Thats a pretty good rate. The problem is that you pay out the asshole during the day with the variable rate plans. You'd probably still be better off with a fixed plan. My sil saved like $400/mo going from variable to fixed. They probably use a lot more air conditioning than you though, being in Chico.
 
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