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49willys_mogon said:
What interesting about gout is its referred to the rich man disease as in rich foods coffee shellfish and meat wine. Research now pointing too much fructose.
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How much fructose do they have on the Steppe?

They say Kublai Khan suffered and it was common in the Mongolia region
 
I busted up my back exactly 6 years ago today. 6 closed compression fractures. Ive tried everything to lessen the daily pain. THC just makes me anxious and focus on the pain. Combo THC and CBD doesnt help. I was hooked on opiates for years. F that shit. Bourbon helps, but when it's bad, nothing really works. Ive found the best pain meds for me are 2 Tylenol, and 2 Aleve, taken at the same time.
 
2JZ said:
I busted up my back exactly 6 years ago today. 6 closed compression fractures. Ive tried everything to lessen the daily pain. THC just makes me anxious and focus on the pain. Combo THC and CBD doesnt help. I was hooked on opiates for years. F that shit. Bourbon helps, but when it's bad, nothing really works. Ive found the best pain meds for me are 2 Tylenol, and 2 Aleve, taken at the same time.
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After a surgery a few years ago I was given a script for some opiates. After reading about all of the side effects, I noticed constipation was near the top. I have a good pain tolerance, and I like being “regular”. Those pills are vacuum sealed for an emergency.

My go to now is a “Arthritis strength” something, and rum :homer:
 
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87manche said:
Weed nap is always the solution.
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I don't have pain issues, but as someone whose brain doesn't stop and 99% of the time needs no help from caffeine, I agree with this.

Those times where I wake up a few hours or so before my alarm goes off, couple hits and I'll see ya later. :zzz:
 
smurfblue40 said:
After a surgery a few years ago I was given a script for some opiates. After reading about all of the side effects, I noticed constipation was near the top. I have a good pain tolerance, and I like being “regular”. Those pills are vacuum sealed for an emergency.

My go to now is a “Arthritis strength” something, and rum :homer:
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Post surgery opiates were the worst. I didn't shit for a week and it was painful. I went from that to code brown emergency everytime for a bit. Also I could set a clock by the mood I was in from taking it.

I'm kinda scared of them in a way. I realized pretty early how my brain works. I take it at night, feel like shit in the morning. Not just pain but depressed too. Brain goes, take more you felt good last night. It's a strange thing to realize it yet still crave it.
 
smurfblue40 said:
Mrs bought a CBD ointment / balm(?) to try to get relief from some joint pains. I’ve tried it too. Neither one of us have noticed anything different ¯\(ツ)/¯
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I’ve tried CBD balms as well, also CBD and CBD+THC gummies and these did nothing but get me high. Currently started using a supplement called joint warfare and that seems to be working a little, I’ve only been using it for a couple of weeks though. Both my knees are my issue
 
I started using it in 2004 for back pain. I have to use a shitton of it but it works for me.

I use the indica patches for pain now.
 
Beemerchef AKA Ara has been using it for several years for his back pain
I was using a cream on my knees before the fire, seemed to give temporary help, just haven't been back to the store since
 
2JZ said:
I busted up my back exactly 6 years ago today. 6 closed compression fractures. Ive tried everything to lessen the daily pain. THC just makes me anxious and focus on the pain. Combo THC and CBD doesnt help. I was hooked on opiates for years. F that shit. Bourbon helps, but when it's bad, nothing really works. Ive found the best pain meds for me are 2 Tylenol, and 2 Aleve, taken at the same time.
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After my second round in the hospital with blood clots in November, I'm now on blood thinner (Eliquis) medication permanently. Coupled with "fatty liver disease" (Luckily, the liver is still currently fully functional, according to the blood work done) discovered at the same time really limits my choices when it comes to pain medications.

Dr. prescribed Tramadol (which is an opioid but not an opiate) for my back (injured in the Army, which was neatly removed from my medical paperwork upon discharge), which causes me pain occasionally (depending on how much and what type of physical work I'm doing around the house). Doubling the dosage of Tramadol let me get through one night with a gout flare up in my knee this last weekend. My gout "jumps around" from joint to joint, and the bigger the joint, the more the pain, if it ever hits my hips, I'd probably consider shooting myself (not really), it usually hits one of my ankles, my left wrist or my right knee (all of which have been injured in the past).

My normal go to for Gout is Indocin (Indomethacin), but that's an NSAID and a no go with the blood thinner meds. Indocin wasn't really a pain med, but it really helped with the inflammation, which reduced the pain enough that I could cope using self-hypnosis. Typically, if I can get the pain down to 7/10 or less, I can use self-hypnosis techniques to get it down to a 3 or a 4, which is low enough to "live with". But at an 8 or above, I can't focus well enough to do the self-hypnosis.

This last weekend with my knee, the pain was at a 9/10 and for a short time 10/10 and that was just lying there, doing my best not to move (movement shot the pain well into the territory that a couple of times I thought I would pass out).

So, for the first time since I was first diagnosed with gout, I took the opiate prescription to help with the pain. And now I'm back to looking at other alternatives. I haven't yet done research on how CBD/THC would affect the liver, or my blood thinner meds, but I'm planning on doing research into the matter, especially since it is an option in Arizona.
 
MChat said:
After my second round in the hospital with blood clots in November, I'm now on blood thinner (Eliquis) medication permanently. Coupled with "fatty liver disease" (Luckily, the liver is still currently fully functional, according to the blood work done) discovered at the same time really limits my choices when it comes to pain medications.

Dr. prescribed Tramadol (which is an opioid but not an opiate) for my back (injured in the Army, which was neatly removed from my medical paperwork upon discharge), which causes me pain occasionally (depending on how much and what type of physical work I'm doing around the house). Doubling the dosage of Tramadol let me get through one night with a gout flare up in my knee this last weekend. My gout "jumps around" from joint to joint, and the bigger the joint, the more the pain, if it ever hits my hips, I'd probably consider shooting myself (not really), it usually hits one of my ankles, my left wrist or my right knee (all of which have been injured in the past).

My normal go to for Gout is Indocin (Indomethacin), but that's an NSAID and a no go with the blood thinner meds. Indocin wasn't really a pain med, but it really helped with the inflammation, which reduced the pain enough that I could cope using self-hypnosis. Typically, if I can get the pain down to 7/10 or less, I can use self-hypnosis techniques to get it down to a 3 or a 4, which is low enough to "live with". But at an 8 or above, I can't focus well enough to do the self-hypnosis.

This last weekend with my knee, the pain was at a 9/10 and for a short time 10/10 and that was just lying there, doing my best not to move (movement shot the pain well into the territory that a couple of times I thought I would pass out).

So, for the first time since I was first diagnosed with gout, I took the opiate prescription to help with the pain. And now I'm back to looking at other alternatives. I haven't yet done research on how CBD/THC would affect the liver, or my blood thinner meds, but I'm planning on doing research into the matter, especially since it is an option in Arizona.
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For Gout with regular flare ups like that you should talk to your Doc about Alopurinol. It keeps Uric acid levels in check in your body but it also makes your body quit regulating uric acid on it's own. It's a life sentence of sorts to take it every day. Colchicine works to knock down the crystals at the sign of the flare up and shorten the duration/severity of the flare up. It's self regulating as you just shit your brains out if your body has too much of it. Which, coincidentally, is that the Indocin does to me if I even smell the stuff.

The right strain of thc vape is what got me through my hip surgery and helps knck down the Gout if I get out of control. They wrote me a scrip for a bunch of Oxy for the hip, I never filled it and regulated with the pen and gummies. 10MG gummy to kinda keep me smiling and the pain at bay, if it flared up, vape. The best part is that it would hit and kill the pain in minutes, vs. having to stack opioids to "get ahead" of the pain.

Only way to see if it works for you is to try it. Just do a little at a time and track what it takes to feel better. Don't get slammed straight out of the gate. Get some 20 mg gummies and cut them into 4 pieces, start with 5mg, takes about 45 mins to realize you are kinda feeling ok for no reason. If nothing after 90 minutes eat half of another piece or 2.5 more. Once you get your method down you can stick to the same stuff and keep in check. Ask the potheads behind the counter at the dispensary, they've tried it all and can point you in the right direction usually.
 
KacksterK5 said:
For Gout with regular flare ups like that you should talk to your Doc about Alopurinol. It keeps Uric acid levels in check in your body but it also makes your body quit regulating uric acid on it's own. It's a life sentence of sorts to take it every day. Colchicine works to knock down the crystals at the sign of the flare up and shorten the duration/severity of the flare up. It's self regulating as you just shit your brains out if your body has too much of it. Which, coincidentally, is that the Indocin does to me if I even smell the stuff.
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Alopurinol and Febuxostat are both out because of the liver. In fact, the PA (which is my Primary Care Provider) suggested that it may have been me being on Alopurinol that gave me the liver problems to begin with (liver damage is listed as a potential side effect). I've been off of Alopurinol for a few years and have been managing uric acid levels via diet (e.g. limiting red meat and shellfish, little to no alcohol consumption, no sodas, etc...).

I prefer homeopathic solutions whenever I can, but I usually have a supply of Colchicine on hand for the random attack (usually once, maybe twice in a year). I was out of it this last attack which started late on Friday, meaning I either had to suffer through the weekend to see the local doc on Monday, or go into the urgent care or emergency room which is about 40 minutes away. Stupid insurance companies won't approve a prescription with a refill on it, which is stupid since then I have to go see the doc to get a new script which ends up costing them an office visit in addition to the medication. I tried suffering through, but midday Sunday and I couldn't anymore, and we ended up making the drive.

I can typically feel an attack coming and either get the Colchicine if I'm out or take what I have before it really comes on. The last two times have both been due to a "minor" injury to the joint, so it's been more difficult to tell if it is just a normal injury, or if it's going to flare up. The previous time, I stepped off a ladder just right and twisted my ankle -- two days later gout flare up. This last time, I was tiling the bathroom and popped my knee crawling around on the floor doing the grout work -- two days later gout flare up. And, yes, I can feel the shift from a "normal" injury to gout. Others that have gout, I'm sure can relate.

KacksterK5 said:
The right strain of thc vape is what got me through my hip surgery and helps knck down the Gout if I get out of control. They wrote me a scrip for a bunch of Oxy for the hip, I never filled it and regulated with the pen and gummies. 10MG gummy to kinda keep me smiling and the pain at bay, if it flared up, vape. The best part is that it would hit and kill the pain in minutes, vs. having to stack opioids to "get ahead" of the pain.

Only way to see if it works for you is to try it. Just do a little at a time and track what it takes to feel better. Don't get slammed straight out of the gate. Get some 20 mg gummies and cut them into 4 pieces, start with 5mg, takes about 45 mins to realize you are kinda feeling ok for no reason. If nothing after 90 minutes eat half of another piece or 2.5 more. Once you get your method down you can stick to the same stuff and keep in check. Ask the potheads behind the counter at the dispensary, they've tried it all and can point you in the right direction usually.
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Are there particular types of gummies that I should be looking for? And a vape pen isn't something I had thought of, but definitely something to look into.

From the limited research (I read a webpage and took a couple of notes to look into), "Cannotonic" and "Charlette's Web" strains were something to investigate, due to their CBD to THC ratios and inflammatory properties. The couple of times in my past that I tried MJ recreationally, I became Chinese and passed out after a couple of hits so lower levels of THC would probably work better for me. The stuff I tried before was a strain recommended to my friend for her anxiety, she got a medical MJ card after it became legal and did that instead of taking Valium (or whatever they're handing out nowadays); might be why it allowed me to forget everything else and focus on the gout pain.
 
I totally miss-read the thread title. Cannibals... :eek:
 
Get her some good CBD. I think most of the hyped stuff doesn't have the listed amount in it. Also the other ingredients make a world of difference in the finished products. The gummies just give me anxiety or drymouthed, the Straight CBD oil doesn't do anything for pain, IMHO.

Grandma is late 70's and has had 4 spine fusions and we used make a CBD Pain cream for her that I will swear by. Its almost gritty because of all the buds mixed in. For deep pain, its best to apply topically and go to sleep. You'll notice a huge difference when you wake up.

I grew CBD commercially for 2 year when it was legal.
 
Having a tooth pulled so I got some of these along with the Indica patches and gummies.

I can't take Tylenol or Ibuprofen.
 

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SanDiegoCJ said:
But do you care if you're in pain? :flipoff2:
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In my experience, nope

Its like the pain is still there, but I’m distracted and dont give a shit about it unless I focus on it… but it’s different for everyone
 
If it is nerve pain then I would recommend anyone dealing with chronic nerve pain to check out Scrambler Therapy. I am a true believer of this and have witnessed first hand it working with my daughter. She is a 21yo type 1 diabetic, had some dental work done and ended up with an infection that escalated quickly to the point she was rushed to the ER and then intubated for 4.5 days in the ICU and was in the hospital for 10 days.

Once released started having foot pains that she never had before after months of it getting worse and worse and 13 more hospital stays, numerous DRs taking their best guesses at what was going on and enough pharmaceuticals to open our own pharmacy. They had her on high doses of potent pain meds that would take pain levels from 9-10s down to an 8 so it was not really worth it. We finally got a diagnosis of CRPS (Complex Regional Pain Syndrome) This is a brutal thing to have to witness anyone to go through, My daughter was very active and independent before this and ended up having to get her a walker to assist her in the house to even make it to the bathroom, my wife would have to help her bathe as well it was so bad.

We ended up stumbling on the Scrambler therapy through some facebook groups and ended up flying her and my wife down to Arizona to get this therapy, Insurance does not cover it. We dropped them off at the airport and she was wheeled in by wheelchair, two weeks later I picked them up at the airport and she was walking out on her own and jumped into the pickup.

I know Long story, but this worked for her. I had never heard of it before and neither had any of the DRs we were seeing, If you are at your wits end and looking for relief I would encourage you to research it further. This is not who we seen but there are several options availible throughout the US.

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

Scrambler Therapy May Offer Lasting Relief for Chronic Pain, Review Paper Suggests

www.hopkinsmedicine.org www.hopkinsmedicine.org
 
^^^ That’s pretty dope

TENS machines are another option as well (mentioned in the link and reminded me)
 
I took 300mg THC yesterday for my tooth extraction. I felt less pain with this method than a previous extraction with pain pills.

Staying calm and relaxed with pain is the key for me to get through it.
 
Boss
Yes it was.

Short story....

Grumpy
My wife has a cervicle fusion that failed..
3 levels
This was the answer.
non fusion repair sux but this took her pain to a tolerable level.
Ymmv
 
I get migraines and have pretty bad tailbone pain. Occasionally sholder and collar area pain. Cannabis just causes me to be in pain and hig:homer:. When I drank, alcohol did the same.
 
MChat said:
Alopurinol and Febuxostat are both out because of the liver. In fact, the PA (which is my Primary Care Provider) suggested that it may have been me being on Alopurinol that gave me the liver problems to begin with (liver damage is listed as a potential side effect). I've been off of Alopurinol for a few years and have been managing uric acid levels via diet (e.g. limiting red meat and shellfish, little to no alcohol consumption, no sodas, etc...).

I prefer homeopathic solutions whenever I can, but I usually have a supply of Colchicine on hand for the random attack (usually once, maybe twice in a year). I was out of it this last attack which started late on Friday, meaning I either had to suffer through the weekend to see the local doc on Monday, or go into the urgent care or emergency room which is about 40 minutes away. Stupid insurance companies won't approve a prescription with a refill on it, which is stupid since then I have to go see the doc to get a new script which ends up costing them an office visit in addition to the medication. I tried suffering through, but midday Sunday and I couldn't anymore, and we ended up making the drive.

I can typically feel an attack coming and either get the Colchicine if I'm out or take what I have before it really comes on. The last two times have both been due to a "minor" injury to the joint, so it's been more difficult to tell if it is just a normal injury, or if it's going to flare up. The previous time, I stepped off a ladder just right and twisted my ankle -- two days later gout flare up. This last time, I was tiling the bathroom and popped my knee crawling around on the floor doing the grout work -- two days later gout flare up. And, yes, I can feel the shift from a "normal" injury to gout. Others that have gout, I'm sure can relate.


Are there particular types of gummies that I should be looking for? And a vape pen isn't something I had thought of, but definitely something to look into.

From the limited research (I read a webpage and took a couple of notes to look into), "Cannotonic" and "Charlette's Web" strains were something to investigate, due to their CBD to THC ratios and inflammatory properties. The couple of times in my past that I tried MJ recreationally, I became Chinese and passed out after a couple of hits so lower levels of THC would probably work better for me. The stuff I tried before was a strain recommended to my friend for her anxiety, she got a medical MJ card after it became legal and did that instead of taking Valium (or whatever they're handing out nowadays); might be why it allowed me to forget everything else and focus on the gout pain.
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Try taking 5mg or half a gummy every 2 hrs and it won't lay you out. Try a Hybrid strain first and see how that works.

CBD is very different for everyone. It does exactly nothing for me at all
 
AngryBob_VA said:
Kratom is worth a try. Better than weed, in my opinion.
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They have that in Thailand, never messed with it but I'd be willing to try it.

Morphine is the only thing that didn't make me sick but it didn't work, it just made me not care that I hurt. I don't enjoy being high when I'm in pain
 
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