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Biden to announce widespread amnesty plan for illegal immigrants

Awesome. Get them in the fucking system and make them pay taxes instead of sending their money back to Mexico.
 
arse_sidewards said:
I'm saying that your class framing is dumb and nonsensical (and marxist) because people don't think in class. They think about "what's good for me"

Framing things as a class struggle by default adds no clarity to discussion (does more harm than good IMO) and reinforces Marxist tropes and lines of thinking and plays into the way they like to frame things).

Any given movement regardless of whether is increases individual freedom or plays into the hand of the collectivists typically enjoys support from a cross section of society that would cut very much across class lines if one attempted to frame it that way.
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recording from the '80s skips around a bit at times, you're better off reading pretty much any of his books, of which the most popular one is actually the least all-encompassing
https://mises.org/eepp
 
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I still don't see the validity of looking at everything through a class lens. I think it's needlessly black and white and ignores a huge volume of profiting off coercion, violence and other state evil that goes on in the economy but represents only a fraction of the recipient's income or wealth yet is largely responsible for the amount of support the state enjoys.

You're focusing on the Nancy Pelosi's and the Lockheed's of the world because they are visible and flashy, the metaphorical horsepower peak. They and their power to directly influence things are dwarfed by the metaphorical "area under the curve" that is all people throughout the economy for whom some or all of their income is a product of state coercion.

The guys who train steering wheel holders, wrench on cars in safety/emissions inspection states, hold skilled trade's licenses (say nothing of all the government employees and welfare recipients who live directly on the dole), etc, etc, etc, a sizeable fraction of their wealth/income/whatever comes from the effects of state coercion distorting the economy. And there are millions upon millions upon millions of these people. And when the people you call the ruling class do something to expand their power generally or when one part of the so called ruling class tries to get one over on another whatever fraction of these little guys who stand to make a buck come out of the woodwork to support the action of the week.

Furthermore, I think this spectrum of varying degrees of wealth derived by state coercion that basically everyone in the economy is a part of these days is why modern "rulers" are a lot more stable than old lords and whatnot. By getting so many people fractionally "in on it" (it should go without saying that this circuitous way of doing things it's hard for a critical mass of people to be pissed off enough to change things. It's hard to have a wholesale rollback when the people who's skills are some % artificially in demand because of the government stand in the way even if those people would likely be richer overall without all the government meddling and accompanying wealth diverted to nonproductive ends. For example Tin Roof will simp for electrical codes and DMG will simp for vehicle inspections because they each make a buck of the respective state meddling despite the fact that they'd be richer if they didn't have to pay each other's state-distorted price plus the overhead cost of the state meddling when they need the other's services.
 
I don't know why you all are complaining. The illegals were brought here to replace the workers, citizens and criminals we lost during the great Covid famine! Dystopia building PedoJoe is just under appreciated while Trump was in court every where distracting from Sleepys accomplishments!
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
Their only needs to be 3 questions that need answering on the application.....

-Is this person going to be a productive member of society or a leach?

-Is this person a convicted felon and was an all around shitbag in their country?

-Does this person speak ENGLISH?

Easy peasy
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does this person pledge allegiance to the united states of America, and rescind any and all allegiances to the country they left?
 
arse_sidewards said:
You're focusing on the Nancy Pelosi's and the Lockheed's of the world because they are visible and flashy, the metaphorical horsepower peak. They and their power to directly influence things are dwarfed by the metaphorical "area under the curve" that is all people throughout the economy for whom some or all of their income is a product of state coercion.
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Am I though?

The only meaningful privilege is that access to 'publicly justifiable use of coercion'
That is the privileged class. The one who can on a whim call up a thousand men with machineguns to kill anyone who chooses to disagree. You are correct in that it filters down to code enforcement and suchlike.

You're part of it, you can say "oh I pay taxes too" but you don't, your wages are paid out of taxes therefore you're a tax consumer, not a payer.
 
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Am I though?

The only meaningful privilege is that access to 'publicly justifiable use of coercion'
That is the privileged class. The one who can on a whim call up a thousand men with machineguns to kill anyone who chooses to disagree.
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They can only do that with the compliance of the public hence why they spend so many resources (which are stolen from us for the most part) trying to legitimize their BS in the eyes of the public. See for example how many people who should be too smart to fall for such transparent bullshit will happily consider even the slightest amount of criminality as a justification for almost anything. "If you didn't want to get shot by a cop you shouldn't have given him a piece of your mind" and all that sort of garbage that frequently comes out of the mouths of some people.


[486] said:
You're part of it, you can say "oh I pay taxes too" but you don't, your wages are paid out of taxes therefore you're a tax consumer, not a payer.
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My wages are paid out of the profits of big banks which they get by taking on risk acting as middle men for entities that don't want to saddle themselves with the bullshit (a lot of which is .gov mandated but mostly predated .gov meddling in the form of requirements the markets had of participants) they'd need to in order to directly do the finance shit they do. Government compliance bullshit does make a non-negligible amount of work for us but it's not really consequential in the grand scheme of things. We actually wish they'd repeal the rules that our relevant to our products because things returning to the wild west like they were a couple decades ago would let us offer products that are far more lucrative than what compliance box checking gets us.

This is less terrible than if I were working for the MIC but more terrible than what you do as a mechanic though in that case I would still not be "clean" as my wage would be partly predicated on artificial demand for those services created by threat of state violence.

Both handily beat out anything that's directly working for the .gov or has .gov as a single customer when it comes to being less evil.
 
east_beast said:
Mexico is putting in express lanes to the border

www.yahoo.com

Mexico will build passenger train lines to US border in an expansion of its debt-laden rail projects

Mexico’s massive, debt-fueled passenger rail building program is not going to end with the administration of outgoing President Andrés Manuel López Obrador, but will instead double, he said Wednesday. López Obrador said his successor, President-elect Claudia Sheinbaum, is planning to build...
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com
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Rail lines are good targets. If we just had the will.
 
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