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ATF raids Polymer 80
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Fullsize80cherokee
Red Skull Member
They’ve been raided before.
In this thread p80 says they are still making a shipping as of 20 minutes ago, so that’s good.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CIqaW2Upl0b/?igshid=svjaflrsxcxy
Not sure if they were raided years back or not. I bet that information is available, however, this post is informing that yesterday 12-10-20, ATF raided P80. It it’s a second time, I don’t know.
I’m just passing on the info as I got it today and am advising that if you purchased from this company or other 80% companies, then you might want to know about it and be prepared.
Whatever that preparation might be. That is all.
I’m just passing on the info as I got it today and am advising that if you purchased from this company or other 80% companies, then you might want to know about it and be prepared.
Whatever that preparation might be. That is all.
Fullsize80cherokee
Red Skull Member
I think I have 10 p80 frames and not one was purchased directly from p80. This was only to intimidate and wipe their big corrupt government cock on a small business they don’t like,
88mitsu
Dumpster Defense Squad
are you thinking of EP armory?
rockmup
El Hefe
The ATF previously gave Polymer80 permission to sell unfinished receivers. But the Buy Build Shoot Kits, which are advertised as having “all the necessary components to build a complete...pistol” weren’t submitted to the agency for approval, according to the application for the search warrant. These kits can be “assembled into fully functional firearms in a matter of minutes,” the warrant application says.
Stolen from another thread:
First off, ATF does not recognize 80% anything, that's a marketing term used by the industry. The "80%" item is submitted to ATF and ATF will say "yes its a receiver" or "No its not a receiver". ATF will not give a percentage any thing. So ATF has already apparently approved that the P80 is NOT a receiver, just like a lump of plastic pellets is not a receiver or bauxite to a forged billet aluminum partly machined item is NOT a receiver. THERE IS NO GRAY AREA, ITS YES OR NO.
So given the logic of ATF, this is a gun still and APEX better be ready to be raided:
Stolen from another thread:
First off, ATF does not recognize 80% anything, that's a marketing term used by the industry. The "80%" item is submitted to ATF and ATF will say "yes its a receiver" or "No its not a receiver". ATF will not give a percentage any thing. So ATF has already apparently approved that the P80 is NOT a receiver, just like a lump of plastic pellets is not a receiver or bauxite to a forged billet aluminum partly machined item is NOT a receiver. THERE IS NO GRAY AREA, ITS YES OR NO.
So given the logic of ATF, this is a gun still and APEX better be ready to be raided:
Fullsize80cherokee
Red Skull Member
From the link I posted. Looks like they were raided before
Again guys, I wasn’t aware of any previous ‘raid’ or action towards language of 80% or whatever.
I just saw that it happened and it was news to me and I figured I’d share because I thought some here might want to know about it. If you know more, please share.
What struck me was they probably weren’t after the chunks of plastic and aluminum as much as they were after the sales list of who bought those chunks. That’s the concern.
I just saw that it happened and it was news to me and I figured I’d share because I thought some here might want to know about it. If you know more, please share.
What struck me was they probably weren’t after the chunks of plastic and aluminum as much as they were after the sales list of who bought those chunks. That’s the concern.
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TrikeKid
Junk Hoarder
"Assembled into a functional firearm in a matter of minutes" Yeah after you machine the fucking thing. Government overreach at its finest. How dare you sell a piece of plastic and some gun parts in the same box!
jeeptj19992001
land of corruption and control of the people
they took nothing, the raid was nothing but .gov showing off.
Chuck Finley
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Trump's ATF y'all.
First bump stocks now this.
First bump stocks now this.
Maybe. But my spidey senses tell me they at least took or copied buyers records.
They would be fools not to after the effort to ‘raid’.
As we all know, records are always available somewhere. Did they get new records in this ‘raid’?
We can only assume they did. I’m not arguing what they got or didn’t get. I’m assuming they got purchaser records and that’s all they need.
Bump stocks, now this, now that, now this other thing, what’s your point?
ATF is gonna ATF. Dems are gonna jackass, GOP is gonna rollover, and Liberty is gonna get kicked in the face.
Care to elaborate?
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[486]
ugh, that guy again?
MONSTERMUDDER
Let's Go Brandon!!!
If anyone honestly believes that an 80 bought off the interweb shipped to your name / address is "anonymous" 
They know, just like they know what you bought at the gun store when they copy / scan the 4473's, it's why they changed up the form to make it easier to make a registry.
With 3d printers and cnc technology there is only so much they can do. Hell you can print one out on your kitchen table now with a $200 printer.
The ATF already had to drop one lawsuit that would have admitted that AR lower recievers arn't the "firearms" they technically are. Which would be a huge blow because AR lowers are easy to make. IMO they're going to ditch going after the 80's and start reclassifying and going after the other parts of the firearms that arn't as easy to manufacture by joe blow. Making an AR lower = relatively easy, Making an upper assembly = Very Difficult.
They know, just like they know what you bought at the gun store when they copy / scan the 4473's, it's why they changed up the form to make it easier to make a registry.
With 3d printers and cnc technology there is only so much they can do. Hell you can print one out on your kitchen table now with a $200 printer.
The ATF already had to drop one lawsuit that would have admitted that AR lower recievers arn't the "firearms" they technically are. Which would be a huge blow because AR lowers are easy to make. IMO they're going to ditch going after the 80's and start reclassifying and going after the other parts of the firearms that arn't as easy to manufacture by joe blow. Making an AR lower = relatively easy, Making an upper assembly = Very Difficult.
IH-SSII
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[486 said:
In 1989, the George H. W. Bush administration had banned the importation of foreign-made, semiautomatic rifles deemed not to have "a legitimate sporting use." Black rifles were first banned then. Yes, the Bush clan is a turd.
Then the Clinton Gun ban ended up getting the Dems losing both houses if I recall.
rockmup
El Hefe
Any Administration that doesn’t recognize “shall not be infringed” is the enemy. Period.
it would be amusing to them put up or shutup on this one. give the kit to someone of their choosing, under 5 mins its illegals. over 5 mins they cant say crap anymore.
Oh fuck, here we go.
I know it’s not a gun in parts form.
I also know that the separate parts by themselves do not constitute a gun just like bicycle parts do not constitute a bicycle until assembled.
But we aren’t talking about bicycles.
If I’m a manufacturer/seller of 80% parts that could potentially be assembled into a functioning apparatus, I might consider shipping the parts separately to avoid ATF overreach to accuse me of shipping or delivering a ‘functional’ firearm.
Which was from the comment I responded to that you quoted.
Its not a weapon. It’s not shipped as a weapon. It’s a parts kit. If it’s shipped separately as parts. Why give them the opportunity to question it?
Trust me. I get it.
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[486]
ugh, that guy again?
RusM
Amateur Viking
There's an easy way around this, put an electromagnet I'm the door frame to the building.... If any harddrives come out of the door....fried! 
[486]
ugh, that guy again?
tracyb
Well-known member
There's an easy way around this, put an electromagnet I'm the door frame to the building.... If any harddrives come out of the door....fried!
you still living in floppy disk days?
[486 said:
Ok. You’ll have to elaborate more on that.
My ‘kneejerk’ reactions are responding to posts that respond to my posts.
I don’t see where I’m out of line or kneejerk on anything. Please enlighten me.
That I shouldn’t leave California because I have an opinion is pretty kneejerk on your part I’m thinking.
I did expect that my attitude toward everything that is wrong with California would let you know that I no longer belong here after 50+ years.
Everyone has an opinion I guess and you are certainly entitled to yours.
You seem to to have a jaded view of my position and that’s fine. There will always be ‘that guy’ and I’m ok with it.
Fact is I will be moving from my home state to more favorable ground that supports my views and it will not be a blue state. If you have an issue with that, I would kindly invite you to go fuck yourself because it’s going to happen regardless.
Back on track to the post I made, if you’re shipping firearm parts as a group that gives the ATF a reason to say you’re shipping firearms. And my rebuttal was, then just ship the parts in multiple packages to avoid that accusation.
How you got that I shouldn’t move because of your feelings about my comments is just fucking bizarre man. It does let me know that I’m not the fringe one though. Wow.