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At what point does it become moral for a collective to do immoral things?

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People always seem to argue for the state to do immoral things like kidnapping, theft, murder, hostage taking, etc

What size group of supporters is necessary for such immoral acts to become moral; a thousand supporters, a simple majority, a massive majority of 90%?
 
Moral, popular or accepted? No amount of popularity can make something immoral, moral. It can make it acceptable though. Regarding of what that number is, it's not the actual number of people who find it acceptable, its what you can convince the population that number is.
 
Morality is relative to society (and sub pockets of small groups within) so it’s fluid with time.

You have to define morals and distinguish it from evolving social norms to answer the question but that said, they are linked

In other words, if a group, even 5 people, think something is ‘right’ an argument can be made that it’s moral


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Morality (from Latinmoralitas 'manner, character, proper behavior') is the differentiation of intentions, decisions and actionsbetween those that are distinguished as proper (right) and those that are improper (wrong).[1] Morality can be a body of standards or principles derived from a code of conduct from a particular philosophy, religion or culture, or it can derive from a standard that a person believes should be universal.[2] Morality may also be specifically synonymous with "goodness" or "rightness".

Moral philosophy includes meta-ethics, which studies abstract issues such as moral ontology and moral epistemology, and normative ethics, which studies more concrete systems of moral decision-making such as deontological ethics and consequentialism. An example of normative ethical philosophy is the Golden Rule, which states: "One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself."[3][4]

Immorality is the active opposition to morality (i.e. opposition to that which is good or right), while amorality is variously defined as an unawareness of, indifference toward, or disbelief in any particular set of moral standards or principles.[5][6][7]
 
[486] said:
People always seem to argue for the state to do immoral things like kidnapping, theft, murder, hostage taking, etc

What size group of supporters is necessary for such immoral acts to become moral; a thousand supporters, a simple majority, a massive majority of 90%?
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Ask Democrats. Seems everything immoral is acceptable to them now days. Throw Trump name in there, good to go!
 
Grnjp92 said:
Diffine morality.
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My brother's in laws are "old school" religious.

I mentioned drinking some beers around the campfire and they looked at me like I'd just told a story about clubbing puppies and bald eagles.
 
History is written by the victors - US WWII Japanese internment was "moral" until a generation or so later. It's convenient to ignore our ~atrocities until those who committed them are mostly dead.
 
I saw a documentary about this topic and the two big ones were pedo/necrophilia, and cannibalism which most societies believe to be taboo, but of course there are societies that accept these practices. The final comments were something along the lines of "all it takes to become acceptable is a group of people to say it's acceptable". Pretty fucked up really.
 
So, how hard is it to justify eliminating people who do evil that hurts many people?

Example: would you dispose of (insert name of congressperson) based on their bad deeds?
 
morality, ethics, right, wrong.....they are all human constructs. unless you are all about the ten commandments and stuff, humanity didn't come with a guidebook that says you shouldn't kill. we made them up as we evolved, likely because they served the purpose of strengthening our society and increasing our chances of survival
it could just as easily have gone the other way. presumably most people feel it is immoral to terminate a pregnancy when it is known that the child will have a serious disbility. Some people feel it would be the moral thing to do.
That is just the way it worked out for us. If society had gone down a path of keeping humanity 'clean', and the majority grew up with the value that terminating such pregnancies is the right thing to do....then that is what we would be doing and most of us wouldn't be batting an eye about it.

to the original question, I would say when you have a large percentage of people in agreement. doesn't have to be 50% or more though -they just have to be strong and willing to fight for it. such a group could overpower a passive majority.
 
Broncokyle88 said:
Well, the Jews controlled the banks and the banks hurt all of the German people after the Treaty of Versailles, and the third reich had a pretty easy time convincing regular folks to go along with their plans…
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The facts piss people off when what they thought was true turns out to be false.

I'm not saying Hitler went about things in a good way but I can see where the hatred came from. Jews are fucking assholes that play the victim better than anyone else in history. They fucked around with the wrong nut job and a lot of them found out. :laughing:
 
DWT said:
Jews are fucking assholes that play the victim better than anyone else in history. :laughing:
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If it is 'for our good' it is moral. We are allowed to define what is good and that definition is ever changing and tends to be determined whether you are the one acting or being acted upon.

Example: We had American citizens put in camps the same time nazi's were loading jews into cattle cars.
 
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4runner said:
So, how hard is it to justify eliminating people who do evil that hurts many people?

Example: would you dispose of (insert name of congressperson) based on their bad deeds?
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Yes. Most of them. Wouldn't miss a second of sleep. You're talking about a handful of people hurting an entire country.

I'd call it civic duty.:flipoff2:
 
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