Apple MacBook people, please help me choose which one out of these two

[3nuts*]

I'm not an Apple guy, need advice from Apple folks. And even those who are PC based may see which is a cleqar winner.

About to go in and get one of these in two hours time.

Use: Shared Macbook, bewteen two of us here.
My 15yr old daughter for school.
Me for running Xcode 11 - That's all for me.

It's 6am in the morning here, and Apple's choice here has me stumped I'm not ringing up friends now

I've highlighted me confusions below.

They both have rthe new keyboard, only the Pro has that Touchbar thingy, is that useful?

Oh, they're both the same price.

Macbook Air 13.3" 1.1GHz 512GB Space Grey 2020 model Barcode190199244719 BrandApple Descriptive ColourSpace Grey Detachable KeyboardN/A Included Accessories- Manufacturer's Warranty12 month Model NumberMVH22X/A Operating System EditionMacOS Catalina Product Dimensions (mm)304.1W x 212.4D x 16.1H mm Product Weight (kg)1.29 kg Connectivity Bluetooth CompatibilityBluetooth 5.0 Internet ConnectivityWireless Wireless Protocols802.11ac Display Display Resolution1680 x 1050 Display Size (Diagonal)13.3 in Display TypeRetina Touch ScreenN/A Video Resolution1080p FHD Manufacturer Country of ManufactureChina Part NumberMVH22XA Photo and Video Capture Integrated Webcam- Primary Camera Video720p HD Ports Headphone/Speaker Ports (3.5mm Audio Out)1 Mic/Aux Ports (3.5mm Audio In)- Number of USB-C Ports2 Power Battery TechnologyLithium-polymer Power & Charging InterfaceUSB-C Run Time (Up To) Hours11 hours Processor and Memory 64-bit ComputingYes Graphics ProcessorIntel Iris Plus Graphics Max Processor Clock Speed3.5 GHz Number of Processor CoresQuad-Core Primary Processor NumberCore i5 Primary Processor TypeCore i5 Processor Clock Speed1.1 GHz Processor Generation10 Processor ManufacturerIntel RAM Installed Size8 GB RAM Maximum Capacity8 GB RAM Technology3733MHz LPDDR4X Storage Hard Drive Capacity512 GB Installed Storage TypeSSD Supported Flash Memory Cards-

MacBook Pro 13.3" 1.4GHz 256GB 2 x Thun… 2020 model Barcode190199521827 BrandApple Descriptive ColourSpace Grey Detachable KeyboardN/A Included Accessories61W USB‑C Power Adapter, USB-C Charge Cable (2 m) Manufacturer's Warranty12 month Model NumberMXK32X/A Operating System EditionmacOS Catalina Product Dimensions (mm)304.1W x 212.4D x 15.6H mm Product Weight (kg)1.4 kg Connectivity Bluetooth CompatibilityBluetooth 5.0 Internet ConnectivityWireless Wireless Protocols802.11ac Display Display Resolution1680 x 1050 Display Size (Diagonal)13.3 in Display TypeRetina Touch ScreenN/A Video Resolution1080p FHD Manufacturer Country of ManufactureChina Part NumberMXK32XA Photo and Video Capture Integrated WebcamYes Primary Camera Video720p HD Ports Headphone/Speaker Ports (3.5mm Audio Out)- Mic/Aux Ports (3.5mm Audio In)1 Number of USB-C Ports2 Power Battery TechnologyLithium-polymer Power & Charging InterfaceUSB-C Run Time (Up To) Hours10 hours Processor and Memory 64-bit ComputingYes Graphics ProcessorIntel Iris Plus Graphics 645 Max Processor Clock Speed3.9 GHz Number of Processor CoresQuad-Core Primary Processor NumberCore i5 Primary Processor TypeCore i5 Processor Clock Speed1.4 GHz Processor Generation8 Processor ManufacturerIntel RAM Installed Size8 GB RAM Maximum Capacity8 GB RAM Technology2133MHz LPDDR3 onboard memory Storage Hard Drive Capacity256 GB Installed Storage TypeSSD Supported Flash Memory CardsN/A

PS. isn't wasn't me who posted up Apple FanBoi hate threads on the old Myspace, I mean PBB site, in the old days, ok


Thanks internet friends, and I couldn't quickly vertically set up the info tables parent/child crap above, sorry.

 

[Paragon]

I run an old Macbook Pro

Both my kids had Airs through their school

Glancing at your specs, I'm not seeing a significant difference except half the storage on the Pro

 

[Paragon]

Also, none of ours had the little touch bar thingy

 

[3nuts*]

The air has the 10th gen processor,
the pro the old 8th gen.

and the ports are different, I don't know what's handier on Macs

That's why i'm bit confused

I'm supposed to be driving to work, gotta go, any help appreciated

 

[Paragon]

The air has the 10th gen processor,
the pro the old 8th gen.

and the ports are different, I don't know what's handier on Macs

That's why i'm bit confused

I'm supposed to be driving to work, gotta go, any help appreciated

but both are quadcore and it looks like the pro is actually faster

 

[Paragon]

$2279 for pro with 512g SSD

 

[Donk]

A lot of the latest gen Mac's have their ssds soldered in making the internal storage un-upgradable. Just been over this with a neighbor who's a DJ wanted more storage space in his new 16" pro. £3,000 and you can't even upgrade the HDD? I spent a third of that on my new 17" laptop which has more grunt, an actual Nvidia GPU, a dual SSD/HDD and is actually upgradable. Fuck Apple and their proprietary un-upgradable junk

 

[Donk]

To answer your question I'd take the air over the pro given those specs.

 

[3nuts*]

The guys at work are set up, they'll be fine without me first thing this morning, so I'm back.

$2279 for pro with 512g SSD

Maxing out at $1999 here

It's the next gen processor being on the Air, yet it's slower, that has me as a choice to make.



I forgot to say, I want to use AutoCAD on it every now and then. I'm assuming that will be a shit experience overall.


The below might help see the diffs clearer

Macbook Air 13.3" 1.1GHz 512GB Space Grey Processor Generation10 RAM Technology3733MHz LPDDR4X Max Processor Clock Speed3.5 GHz Processor Clock Speed1.1 GHz Hard Drive Capacity512 GB Run Time (Up To) Hours11 hours Headphone/Speaker Ports (3.5mm Audio Out)1 Mic/Aux Ports (3.5mm Audio In)-NONE Touch Bar (Keyboard added feature) NO

MacBook Pro 13.3" 1.4GHz 256GB 2 x Thun… Processor Generation8 RAM Technology2133MHz LPDDR3 onboard memory Max Processor Clock Speed3.9 GHz Processor Clock Speed1.4 GHz Hard Drive Capacity256 GB Run Time (Up To) Hours10 hours Headphone/Speaker Ports (3.5mm Audio Out)-NONE Mic/Aux Ports (3.5mm Audio In)1 Touch Bar (Keyboard added feature) YES

 

[3nuts*]

A lot of the latest gen Mac's have their ssds soldered in making the internal storage un-upgradable. Just been over this with a neighbor who's a DJ wanted more storage space in his new 16" pro. £3,000 and you can't even upgrade the HDD? I spent a third of that on my new 17" laptop which has more grunt, an actual Nvidia GPU, a dual SSD/HDD and is actually upgradable. Fuck Apple and their proprietary un-upgradable junk

We have three good PC laptops here, that mostly do everyrthing I've ever needed them to, and one good desktop that i had made for gaming. All ssd'ed for the win, and easily reconfigurable

I am trying really really hard to supress my Apple..umm..ahhh...thoughts

I've only just confided in one close friend, that I'm about to actually buy a Macbook. He thinks it's hilarious. But all my friends and family here, except 2, have iPhones and ios stuff, so I can't share any apps with them unless I get an Apple machine. I don't have time for making up a hackintosh or sign up for online cloud ios Xcode programming scenarios (which from memory is a thing you can do with Apple also).

 

[Donk]

2 things that as a user you'll benefit from more than a slightly higher base processor speed are the ddr4 ram and bigger storage both will have a larger positive impact on your user experience.

 

[3nuts*]

To answer your question I'd take the air over the pro given those specs.

Thanks.

I'm still perplexed. $1997 perplexed. It started out as the intro spec Air, until I stepped in and said, "For a little bit more..."

Friday early here. Hard week and I'm a bit mentally fried

 

[Donk]

Thanks.

I'm still perplexed. $1997 perplexed. It started out as the intro spec Air, until I stepped in and said, "For a little bit more..."

Friday early here. Hard week and I'm a bit mentally fried

It's a bitter pill to swallow.....
Just out of interest what do you need a Mac for? I've not come across a Mac file I can't open on windows but I have come across file formats a Mac won't touch but no issues with a PC.
Maybe a cheap refurbed iPad would be enough apple functionality without breaking the bank?

 

[Austin]

My wife and my son have Airs, I'm on my 4th pro, the latest being a 2020. I despise that F'n bar, I just want my F keys to be there.

Most of the time I have the lid closed, using their 'Magic' keyboard, and it's hooked up to two thunderbolt displays... which is my only other complaint. It seems to go full ReRe when unplugging displays. Like it doesn't know what to do for a minute. My last one (2018) would instantly adjust .....

but to answer your question ....I'll give you the same answer I give most people .... buy whats at the top of your budget so it lasts longer.

 

[Paragon]

the problem I have with my mac and running a display is that the mac get so damn hot that some shit comes on and starts slowing down processing because it's hot from running the display

 

[Firstram]

I have a 13" pro purchased in 2015 for $1300 or so. If by touchbar thingy you mean the track pad thingy, it's awesome! It has so many shortcuts I tossed my mouse in the junk drawer. This was my first Mac but I'm happy and will buy another.

 

[Firstram]

PS, glad you moved over to the dark side!

 

[3nuts*]

Just out of interest what do you need a Mac for?

I dabble in app making. Only been making Android apps for myself. Now I want to make ios apps, and share with friends and family.

The kicker is...
I know you won't believe Apple would do something like this, but to make an ios app, you can only use Apple's Xcode software, and you can only run Xcode on an Apple operating system.


There are work arounds, it can be done on a pc. Look up hackintosh. I can't be bothered, and my daughter wants a Macbook to use at school.

 

[Austin]

the problem I have with my mac and running a display is that the mac get so damn hot that some shit comes on and starts slowing down processing because it's hot from running the display

Yea, I don’t have that problem.......

 

[3nuts*]

My wife and my son have Airs, I'm on my 4th pro, the latest being a 2020. I despise that F'n bar, I just want my F keys to be there.

Most of the time I have the lid closed, using their 'Magic' keyboard, and it's hooked up to two thunderbolt displays... which is my only other complaint. It seems to go full ReRe when unplugging displays. Like it doesn't know what to do for a minute. My last one (2018) would instantly adjust .....

but to answer your question ....I'll give you the same answer I give most people .... buy whats at the top of your budget so it lasts longer.

OMG wtf?

You just saved me a world of pain.

See, I never even looked close enough to see they delete the F keys to put that bar there.


Ahhh man. That's absolutely the deal breaker there. Fuck me.

Thank you thank you thank you



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[Paragon]

I have a 13" pro purchased in 2015 for $1300 or so. If by touchbar thingy you mean the track pad thingy, it's awesome! It has so many shortcuts I tossed my mouse in the junk drawer. This was my first Mac but I'm happy and will buy another.

no, it's not the trackpad. there is a touchscreen bar above the numbers

 

[Austin]

OMG wtf?

You just saved me a world of pain.

See, I never even looked close enough to see they delete the F keys to put that bar there.


Ahhh man. That's absolutely the deal breaker there. Fuck me.

Thank you thank you thank you



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You can get them to pop up, but it's an extra step .... some apps put other buttons there for 'convenience'. I just want them there 100% of the time.... there may be a way but I haven't bothered looking.

 

[3nuts*]

PS, glad you moved over to the dark side!

Thanks

The old board provided many many hours of entertainment, the entertainment has moved, and here we are

 

[3nuts*]

Yea, I don’t have that problem.......

Wow 2 $1000 Apple monitor stands

Impressive



You deserve my $20 red skull donation purely from mentioning the missing F key row on the Pro.

Feel the love

 

[3nuts*]

We had a major incident this morning

Took time off to go with the girls to go get the last one they had. This one ---->>> http://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/o...rey-mba20512sg

The missus delayed her start time also.

Drove in, went and saw the guy who put it aside for me.

Grabbed it.

Went to the counter...

Missus got out her interest free card...



She locked up, blank stare. Can't remember her damn pin. It's been a long time.

I left my wallet in my van back home.

I can't remember my bank logins for my phone. It's been a looong time since I've needed them.

Had to go home, minus macbook, to sort it out. But then we both really had to go back to work, even though both self employed, re-meeting there later today.


15yr old daughter is shattered she has to wait a few more hours. Seriously not happy

"BUT I WANT IT NOW DADDY!!" - Veruca Salt. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

 

[Paragon]

Yea, I don’t have that problem.......

Well shit, that’s a cool looking set of skulls

 

[Austin]

Wow 2 $1000 Apple monitor stands

Impressive



You deserve my $20 red skull donation purely from mentioning the missing F key row on the Pro.

Feel the love

Ffffffuuuuck those things. Not even close, he’s are the oldies that are five years old