What's new
By:
Filters

Anyone playing with "PCC's"?

YotaAtieToo

YotaAtieToo

Thick skull
Joined
May 19, 2020
Member Number
142
Messages
12,646
Loc
Bonners Ferry, ID
Pistol caliber carbines, aka wannabe mp5s :laughing:

My buddy recently got a CZ scorpion micro pistol with folding brace in a trade and I of course now want something similar :laughing:

I've thought about building an AR9 or 45, but I don't want the typical glock mag set up or a buffer tube. I think by the time you buy all the ar parts, you can pick up a scorpion or ARV/AKV ect.

Just curious if anyone else is playing with the pistol caliber carbines?
 
I have a scorpion pistol and carbine.
Done a little trigger work from cz custom shop. They shoot great and are a lot of fun for recoil sensitive shooters. The scorpion mags are cheap and readily available. I think the psa 9mm ak takes them if you want an ak type platform.

It's not my go to for shtf, but its a fun way to burn up a lot of 9mm.
20211118_192518.jpg
 
For me only the usual PCCs.. AR22, AR9, AR45. All on a registered SBR lower. I like the modularity.
 
Dare to be different.

I think it was animator on the old site that convinced me to get into Uzis, semi auto bolts and a few other parts are kind of hard to come by now, but they're out there. Over the course of about 18 months I scrounged up enough parts to build a full size pistol and a carbine. I think I'm going to go perforated shroud instead of faux can on the carbine.

Also have a Marlin Camp 9, takes S&W 5K series mags, so obviously I had to get a surplus 5906 to go with it.

PTR's MP5 clones are high on my want list, about the cheapest roller delayed option that looks like an H&K variant. I don't think PSA even mentioned their vaporware at SHOT this year but I've not completely given up hope yet.

The Stribog is allegedly much improved with the curved magazines now too. The A3 variant is roller delayed like an MP5. They've got a Glock mag version too, or will be available soon.

I don't have an AR9, I've always convinced myself that there are so many other, better, options. I'd be all over an AKV though, or if PSA ever releases their Jakl, rumor is it's slated to eventually be available in 9mm down the line.

There's always the Ruger PC Carbine.

Also, Kentucky Gun Co. has the gen 2, Glock mag, Keltec, Sub-2K for <$500 right now, too.
 
I actually briefly looked into uzi's always thought they were badass. :smokin:

What's the breakdown on building one? Buy a parts kit and then track down or make a receiver?
 
Uzis are heavy, they are a big block of steel.
The ergonomics on them are terrible. I have built several and always sell them on because, they just don't do it for me.
I would definitely try one out before investing a bunch of time and money.
But if you're bound and determined to build one rtg parts is one of the best places for parts and build tools.
The uzi dates back to the 50s. You could probably almost cover the cost of a A new uzi pro for what you'll have in building a compliant old one.:flipoff2:
 
aron82 said:
Uzis are heavy, they are a big block of steel.
The ergonomics on them are terrible. I have built several and always sell them on because, they just don't do it for me.
I would definitely try one out before investing a bunch of time and money.
But if you're bound and determined to build one rtg parts is one of the best places for parts and build tools.
The uzi dates back to the 50s. You could probably almost cover the cost of a A new uzi pro for what you'll have in building a compliant old one.:flipoff2:
Click to expand...

Ya, that's kinda what my buddy was just saying.

Unfortunately, I missed out on the fun cheap "just because" builds.

I do have a kinda hook up on 80% AR lowers, so if I built something, it would probably be dumb not to just do an AR. I'll have to look into non buffer ar uppers.

What about 9mm vs 45? I have both in pistols. 9mm is a little cheaper. Cheap 45 is subsonic though.... But sub 9s aren't hard to find currently
 
YotaAtieToo said:
I actually briefly looked into uzi's always thought they were badass. :smokin:

What's the breakdown on building one? Buy a parts kit and then track down or make a receiver?
Click to expand...

They're stupid simple to build. The problem now is finding the parts, as they seem to come and go.


Reweld is an option using a repair section. McKay Ent. offers a 100% receiver. I think they also have repair sections.

For the bolt, you either anneal and machine yours, or you buy a semi-auto converted bolt. McKay has them from time to time, but they sell out quick. Then you need to find a striker assembly. Those sell out just as quick whenever they're available.

For the barrel, you either buy a 16", F1 with an original, or make a pistol out of it. Plenty of options, but 16" barrels seem to come and go as well, and sell out pretty quick.


I have an UZI and an old SW-5 MP5 clone. They're both fun, but I rarely shoot them.
 
I've got a built from scratch AR-9 that I have shot USPSA for over 3 years. I run the shit out of it, 200-350 rds per match, cheapest 9mm I can find and she just gobbles it up! I also have the Ruger PC9, running Glock mags. It's a fun gun, threaded bbl is a plus, take-down is a plus. But she's heavy! I've built a 9mm SBR, but I'm still dealing with the feds, so right now it's a pistol.
 
537382E4-DC31-443E-AE89-A4C67ED05609.jpeg
C615B726-2E73-4577-8D77-78F14F77902C.jpeg

My Foxtrot Mike 9mm. It was originally a 7 inch barrel with flash can. I needed something longer so I could mount my Omega 36M. I ended up with a Faxon 10.5 inch barrel and an ASR flash hider to mount the Omega 36. I have not filed a form 1 yet so currently a pistol. I have an SBA3 brace I use but it’s on another gun.
 
My 1st gen GSG-5 gets used the most of any of my guns. My rewelded 16" UZI is probably second. Just put together an 80% ar15 in .22lr a few weeks ago but haven't gotten a chance to actually go to the range with it :shaking:

Have way more fun shooting the little stuff these days. Plus the woman and kid can shoot them easily which gets them more interested in going to the range more than once a year.
 
Yes. I have a scorpion I bought a year or two ago after Biden started talking about banning import ”pistols“ without a sporting purpose. I looked at AR-9’s but most seem to be unreliable long-term.

The scorpion is fun, but by the time you add the factory folding stock, tax stamp, optic, silencer, other necessary mods, and enough mags to outlast my grandkids, you’ve got a really expensive “toy”. Controls are also super weird which isn’t great from a “training” perspective.

The irony is I bought it right when 9mm ammo was still normal pricing, but didn’t stock up as I’d just spent a bunch on the gun. Now it is what it is and it’s also one of the only calibers I don’t reload for, as it wasn’t worth it previously.

I like the gun and don’t regret it, but if I did it over again I might just buy a Sig Rattler or a nice AK Suchka.
 
Gatorgrizz27 said:
Yes. I have a scorpion I bought a year or two ago after Biden started talking about banning import ”pistols“ without a sporting purpose. I looked at AR-9’s but most seem to be unreliable long-term.

The scorpion is fun, but by the time you add the factory folding stock, tax stamp, optic, silencer, other necessary mods, and enough mags to outlast my grandkids, you’ve got a really expensive “toy”. Controls are also super weird which isn’t great from a “training” perspective.
Click to expand...

I'd think a 9mm carbine would be an excellent home defense gun. I mean that's literally what theyre designed for. Nice to not have the 5.56 going through multiple walls.

You also don't have to do all that. Slap a cheap red dot on there and party out. Mags are cheap too.

Controls feel good to me, I think ar controls are garbage. The cz mag release is a little weird, but there are extended versions that make it more mp5 like.

Gatorgrizz27 said:
The irony is I bought it right when 9mm ammo was still normal pricing, but didn’t stock up as I’d just spent a bunch on the gun. Now it is what it is and it’s also one of the only calibers I don’t reload for, as it wasn’t worth it previously.

I like the gun and don’t regret it, but if I did it over again I might just buy a Sig Rattler or a nice AK Suchka.
Click to expand...

What's normal? It's $19/box here and the shelves are packed. I can't see it dropping much below that ever again.
 
I keep looking at the stuff out there in the 10mm world, but nothing has followed me home yet. I’m probably just going to get distracted by the Ruger made Marlin 1894s when they start getting churned out. Those count, right?
 
I bought a PSA ARV last year. Biggest hunk of shit I've ever bought. In the process of returning it now after a couple repair tries. They completely replaced the lower in the last repair attempt. Still jams constantly. They claim "they've never seen this issue" but there's multiple people on book of faces with the same complaints/repairs with continued same issues. It seems like the AKV is a much better platform.
 
tribal4krawler said:
I bought a PSA ARV last year. Biggest hunk of shit I've ever bought. In the process of returning it now after a couple repair tries. They completely replaced the lower in the last repair attempt. Still jams constantly. They claim "they've never seen this issue" but there's multiple people on book of faces with the same complaints/repairs with continued same issues. It seems like the AKV is a much better platform.
Click to expand...

That a bummer, on paper it looks good, ar controls, common/cheap not glock mags, decent sticker price, ect
 
tribal4krawler said:
I bought a PSA ARV last year. Biggest hunk of shit I've ever bought. In the process of returning it now after a couple repair tries. They completely replaced the lower in the last repair attempt. Still jams constantly. They claim "they've never seen this issue" but there's multiple people on book of faces with the same complaints/repairs with continued same issues. It seems like the AKV is a much better platform.
Click to expand...
I had high hopes for that gun but it ended up being a huge pile of shit. I have zero complaints about my Foxtrox Mike. LRBHO is what sold me. It’s built like a fucking tank. It weighs as much as my 16 inch AR10. Yes it takes Glock mags but I don’t fucking care. It runs.
 
What about just tossing a 9mm upper and magwell adapter on my ar? Is the magwell hard to install and remove?

Also, there is so many different uppers out there, how do you pick? Are they designed to work with specific mags or can you put whatever 9mm mag adapter with whatever upper?

Or just go 300blk :laughing:
 
YotaAtieToo said:
What about just tossing a 9mm upper and magwell adapter on my ar? Is the magwell hard to install and remove?

Also, there is so many different uppers out there, how do you pick? Are they designed to work with specific mags or can you put whatever 9mm mag adapter with whatever upper?

Or just go 300blk :laughing:
Click to expand...
That's what I did for 9mm and .45acp. Magwell adapter is not more difficult to install and replace than any magazine. My research before building my AR9 led me to believe that Glock mags were the best. Can't go wrong with them and, in my adapter, just about any 9mm Glock mag works and it's as reliable as a claw hammer. My AR45, while ultra reliable too, uses a weird H&K mag that is difficult to source and is $$$. Most uppers are about the same AFAIK. Don't need a special upper, milspec is fine if you don't want a side charger.
 
FrankenToy said:
That's what I did for 9mm and .45acp. Magwell adapter is not more difficult to install and replace than any magazine. My research before building my AR9 led me to believe that Glock mags were the best. Can't go wrong with them and, in my adapter, just about any 9mm Glock mag works and it's as reliable as a claw hammer. My AR45, while ultra reliable too, uses a weird H&K mag that is difficult to source and is $$$. Most uppers are about the same AFAIK. Don't need a special upper, milspec is fine if you don't want a side charger.
Click to expand...

I was reading a little.

Looks like some uppers need a certain mag. Usually glock or colt for 9mm. Some can take both.

The stern magwel adapter locks in just like a standard mag, then has its own mag release. Not sure I like the idea of that for muscle memory.

Others I believe drop in from the top and release the same as standard mags?

I kinda like the idea of the cmmg mag conversion kits. Replaces spring in a normal magpull 556 mag, although that's definitely more expensive and I'm not sure if it works with any other upper than cmmg. For the price of their upper and mags, may as well just get a whole 9mm gun.

I don't have a glock, so no reason for me to use the mags. The colt/uzi mags are easier to load and cheap in 30-35 rnd version.
 
You are better off with a dedicated lower. Mag well adapters fucking suck.
 
Something else I've noticed, pretty much EVERY AR 9mm platform fails if shot often aka in competitive shooting. The guys I shoot with carry full rebuild/repair kits as the guns fail so often when thousands of rounds are put through them. They're still a ton of fun to shoot. I'd love a mp5 variant personally but they're big money for the reliable ones.
 
much rather have uzi mags than glock
single feed sucks ass

iirc don't the colt mags got a hold open tab on them? Might be worthwhile for that alone over cheap surplus uzi mags...
 
[486] said:
until they've got two grains of pocket sand in them, then they bind up at the transition from double to single stack
Click to expand...
What kind of heathen keeps a magazine in their pocket? Poor ones that’s who. :flipoff2:All joking aside. I’ve lived in the desert for 4 years now. I go shooting damn near every weekend and have never had that happen with the 5 double stack Glocks that I own.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Back Refresh