Fl-Krawler
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Anybody in here have any experience with an Adira press brake or a CNC brake that runs a Cybelec modela 10s control? Backstory: In August I bought a used 230ton 14ft 3axis press brake (Y,X,R) that I paid pretty much scrap price for (I also got 6 pallets worth of various punches and dies with it). The brake had been sitting dormant in the shop I bought it from for almost 2yrs. The shop owner said the guy that ran it quit and they were unable to find a replacement who could run the brake so it just sat. When I went to inspect the brake before purchase I was able to make the backgauge move as programmed and the main beam did index to the top (it was in the all the way down position). I wasn't able to make the beam move downward and the employee with me said it was because the tooling had to be programmed into the machine. Not knowing anything about the tooling and not having anything to measure the die, I avoided the risk of crashing the beam and assumed that because it went up, that it would go down as well. Also while there looking at the machine I asked what voltage the machine ran on as my shop is 3ph 240v. The employee indicated that the machine was on 240v. I didnt verify in the control cabinet it was on 240v (more on this later) but the data plate indicated the machine was able to be wired 240 or 480v. Satisfied with what I saw I made an offer on the brake and they took it without much haggling.
Fast forward to September and the brake is finally delivered to the shop and ready to be powered up. I run 240v into the control cabinet and power up the computer but when I try to power up the hydraulic pumps..nothing. When I got the brake I got no manuals or other info on the brake so I was pretty much flying blind. It took me about a month to source the manuals for the control and brake itself. I discovered the brake was originally wired for 480v so I went through the process of switching everything over to the correct breakers and moving various jumpers on the hydraulic motors where it appears everything is wired correctly.
I fired the brake up and I was able to get the machine to index on all 3 axis, but the beam would still not move down manually. The next day while away from the shop, my son spent a few hours trying to work with it and somehow managed to get the x to stop moving entirely and throwing several error codes. I'm in a facebook group for press brake operators and a guy chimed in stating he was a service rep for Adira. I was able to get him on the phone to walk me through diag'ing what was going on with the brake. We were able to get the correct die and punch programmed in (turns out he had serviced my brake in the past or so he says) and he then instructed me to change the key to manual inch mode. The key selector was froze up which he stated was common and he wanted to send me another to the tune of about $180. I declined as I was confident I could get this one working with a little work. He basically said that until that was fixed we could not go any further with diagnostics.
The following week I fixed the key switch (just needed to be cleaned and lubed) and messaged the service guy. He said he was busy and would call when he had time to go through the rest of the steps with me. After 2 weeks and him being busy on 3 occasions (I even offered to pay for his phone time, but he seemed to want me to pay for him to make the trip from Maryland to Florida to look at it in person) I gave up on him being of any help. I found a broken belt on the x axis which I replaced and followed the instructions in the manual on how to reindex the back gauge.
I can now make the backgauge move manually but when I try to do the startup index procedure, the backgauge will not move saying x is over traveled and the position for Y (the beam) is running but the beam will not move. The beam will also not move manually, but when stepping on the manual foot control you can hear solenoids clicking off in the back, just no movement. I just don't know what my next step would be? I'm assuming I should be looking for hydraulic pressure but the only gauge on the machine is for bending force. I'm kinda scared to pop loose a hose given their size and the pressure that is potentially behind them.
To be honest I'm sure at this point I need a repair tech but financially I'm not in a spot to do that at the moment. Is there any insight to what my next steps should be or is there anybody with experience on this brake that could help me?
Fast forward to September and the brake is finally delivered to the shop and ready to be powered up. I run 240v into the control cabinet and power up the computer but when I try to power up the hydraulic pumps..nothing. When I got the brake I got no manuals or other info on the brake so I was pretty much flying blind. It took me about a month to source the manuals for the control and brake itself. I discovered the brake was originally wired for 480v so I went through the process of switching everything over to the correct breakers and moving various jumpers on the hydraulic motors where it appears everything is wired correctly.
I fired the brake up and I was able to get the machine to index on all 3 axis, but the beam would still not move down manually. The next day while away from the shop, my son spent a few hours trying to work with it and somehow managed to get the x to stop moving entirely and throwing several error codes. I'm in a facebook group for press brake operators and a guy chimed in stating he was a service rep for Adira. I was able to get him on the phone to walk me through diag'ing what was going on with the brake. We were able to get the correct die and punch programmed in (turns out he had serviced my brake in the past or so he says) and he then instructed me to change the key to manual inch mode. The key selector was froze up which he stated was common and he wanted to send me another to the tune of about $180. I declined as I was confident I could get this one working with a little work. He basically said that until that was fixed we could not go any further with diagnostics.
The following week I fixed the key switch (just needed to be cleaned and lubed) and messaged the service guy. He said he was busy and would call when he had time to go through the rest of the steps with me. After 2 weeks and him being busy on 3 occasions (I even offered to pay for his phone time, but he seemed to want me to pay for him to make the trip from Maryland to Florida to look at it in person) I gave up on him being of any help. I found a broken belt on the x axis which I replaced and followed the instructions in the manual on how to reindex the back gauge.
I can now make the backgauge move manually but when I try to do the startup index procedure, the backgauge will not move saying x is over traveled and the position for Y (the beam) is running but the beam will not move. The beam will also not move manually, but when stepping on the manual foot control you can hear solenoids clicking off in the back, just no movement. I just don't know what my next step would be? I'm assuming I should be looking for hydraulic pressure but the only gauge on the machine is for bending force. I'm kinda scared to pop loose a hose given their size and the pressure that is potentially behind them.
To be honest I'm sure at this point I need a repair tech but financially I'm not in a spot to do that at the moment. Is there any insight to what my next steps should be or is there anybody with experience on this brake that could help me?
