Data centers at it again

Pocahontas said:
I don’t have a problem with them as a whole and I think they will be here for the long term but I don’t see why they can’t go on the way outskirts of town.
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Because none of these companies want to pay for the infrastructure they require. They want to tie in to existing utilities. Listen to the people who run these companies in interviews, they're all completely out of touch with reality and see us all as a hindrance to what they want to do. They speak like they're entitled to all this power and water and shouldn't have to pay for any of it.
 
Motorcharge said:
Because none of these companies want to pay for the infrastructure they require. They want to tie in to existing utilities. Listen to the people who run these companies in interviews, they're all completely out of touch with reality and see us all as a hindrance to what they want to do. They speak like they're entitled to all this power and water and shouldn't have to pay for any of it.
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Because utility build out is an over-regulated minefield of bull**** and stupid rules they're trying to game. They don't wanna be the one buying an upgrade. They wanna sign on to use capacity that's there for the taking after some other sucker paid for the upgrade.
 
Motorcharge said:
all completely out of touch with reality
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well they are all robots sooo..

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RunningProblem said:
Umm...ever heard of air cooling?

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Um yes I have

in fact all of the heat will eventually get transmitted into the air.
but that amount of power created and consumed in such a small footprint wont work with simple air cooling alone.

you are talking about doubling the entire states electrical consumption in a few square miles in some cases
 
Pocahontas said:
That’s the big rub here, now who knows what’s what but rates are up 30% since Covid and 100% since 2010ish. I know they had to do a bunch of transmission line work for the cluster they just put in because it was going to draw so much power. Water doesn’t really matter we have rivers pretty much anywhere and if you dig down more than 20 feet at most you will hit the water table.

I don’t have a problem with them as a whole and I think they will be here for the long term but I don’t see why they can’t go on the way outskirts of town. They were floating the idea of building one in bfe by the national forest that was going to consume more power than the entire state.
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why should DC's destroy small communities? Just because of NIMBY?

Put DC's in abandoned urban buildings. Solves multiple problems at once.
 
WLDWUN said:
Um yes I have

in fact all of the heat will eventually get transmitted into the air.
but that amount of power created and consumed in such a small footprint wont work with simple air cooling alone.

you are talking about doubling the entire states electrical consumption in a few square miles in some cases
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In SOME cases. Not all. There are too many people using the absolute LARGEST data centers as their blueprint for whatever is going on. Honestly I think 90% of people upset about this have no clue what they're talking about, and they have the time to research it.


Air cooling has been good enough in the desert for a few Megawatts of electrical power for literal decades. Somehow it isn't possible since eveyone pays for **** using their phone and doesn't want to wait 7-10 business days for the mail to send stuff from office to office. Bunch of NIMBYs with too much time on their hands.


Data centers aren't going to stop any time soon. They'll move to another State willing to collect the tax revenue and generate jobs while others wonder when the next economic boom will visit their local economy.
 
rockota said:
why should DC's destroy small communities? Just because of NIMBY?

Put DC's in abandoned urban buildings. Solves multiple problems at once.
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NOMBYs just need something to hate. I'm pretty sure they'd rather have a warehouse filled with Amazon Chinese lithium batteries than a server rack right up until they need to use their favorite app and the data isn't available. They don't destroy anything. They just get blamed because NIMBYs need to complain. They'd bitch about a school being built because they think the school bus is polluting their air. **** NIMBYs more than cops and judges.
 
RunningProblem said:
Peace. The ****. Out.
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You can't even follow through with the **** you say you'll do, why do you think anyone listens to the **** you type? ****s sakes.
arse_sidewards said:
If it were me I'd have the whole roof, parking lot, every sidewalk and drain culvert plumbed for radiant heat. Not that it'll matter in the grand scheme of things but it sure would be cool to never deal with snow or ice. :laughing:
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arse_sidewards said:
I don't think it'd be a meaningful heat sink even in the winter. Just that it'd be nice to never have to deal with snow.
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We have a closed loop system that cools our machines at work, you'd be surprised at the heat you can lose in the winter. During the cold snaps they have the machines running in a warmup cycle through the night to generate heat to keep the building warm. We have heated sidewalks and loading bays, and the air handlers. During the summer we have water towers that use the evaporation to cool. Keeps our air conditioning needs more manageable.
 
posford said:
You can't even follow through with the **** you say you'll do, why do you think anyone listens to the **** you type? ****s sakes.
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I don't think anyone listens or reads 98% of what I type, and the 2% people read they're smarter than me about. I learned this a few years ago right before I quit my job.
 
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We have a closed loop system that cools our machines at work, you'd be surprised at the heat you can lose in the winter. During the cold snaps they have the machines running in a warmup cycle through the night to generate heat to keep the building warm. We have heated sidewalks and loading bays, and the air handlers. During the summer we have water towers that use the evaporation to cool. Keeps our air conditioning needs more manageable.
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All that says is that the process being run generates a BUNCH of unwanted heat and per basic thermodynamics one has to remove it somehow. The creative approach of "heating" sidewalks and buildings is just another method of dissipating the excess heat generated. The fact one uses evaporative loss towers also says its more than what the creative methods can dissipate completely.
 
DavidVanVorous said:
All that says is that the process being run generates a BUNCH of unwanted heat and per basic thermodynamics one has to remove it somehow. The creative approach of "heating" sidewalks and buildings is just another method of dissipating the excess heat generated. The fact one uses evaporative loss towers also says its more than what the creative methods can dissipate completely.
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It works well to heat the building too. Concrete plant I walked through used a lot of the heat for as much beneficial use as possible.
 
DavidVanVorous said:
All that says is that the process being run generates a BUNCH of unwanted heat
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Yes, running machinery here generates heat
DavidVanVorous said:
The creative approach of "heating" sidewalks and buildings is just another method of dissipating the excess heat generated. The fact one uses evaporative loss towers also says its more than what the creative methods can dissipate completely.
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Heat during winters, water tower in summer.
 
rockota said:
why should DC's destroy small communities? Just because of NIMBY?

Put DC's in abandoned urban buildings. Solves multiple problems at once.
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There is no such thing as an abandoned urban building. Just one that can't be used for anything economically due to regulations.

DC generates much less $$ per square foot than a lot of other things so if the building isn't being used as is then it sure won't be use for a DC.
 
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I don’t follow too close to what’s been going on with all these data centers but, are they hurting for capacity or is this in preparation for something we don’t know about or given the actual truth?

In a big town near me the public is fighting against the building of a giant data center. The alderman and mayor have not been honest about the proceedings of the government approving the construction of this center.

The public is pissed off and managed to remove the alderman people and just got approval to start the process of removing the mayor.
 
arse_sidewards said:
There is no such thing as an abandoned urban building. Just one that can't be used for anything economically due to regulations.

DC generates much less $$ per square foot than a lot of other things so if the building isn't being used as is then it sure won't be use for a DC.
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Nonsense...all I need do is meander thru pretty much any industrialised city to find abandoned warehouses or old manufacturing facilities that closed down, either they weren't profitable to operate or because some "hedge fund" bought it and did a fire sale of the company leaving the building. A $0 worth abandoned facility "as is" is worth a bit more when someone takes over the facility even if the $/sq ft pay back is lower than the comps in a given area.
 
arse_sidewards said:
There is no such thing as an abandoned urban building. Just one that can't be used for anything economically due to regulations.

DC generates much less $$ per square foot than a lot of other things so if the building isn't being used as is then it sure won't be use for a DC.
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You're not wrong about regulations being a problem, but you are wrong about this.

Just look at Seattle and Minneapolis. Large companies leaving their HQ's results in empty space that NO ONE wants. City Center, Ameriprise building... that's ~50+ floors of emptiness in two buildings in MPLS.
 
DavidVanVorous said:
Nonsense...all I need do is meander thru pretty much any industrialised city to find abandoned warehouses or old manufacturing facilities that closed down, either they weren't profitable to operate or because some "hedge fund" bought it and did a fire sale of the company leaving the building. A $0 worth abandoned facility "as is" is worth a bit more when someone takes over the facility even if the $/sq ft pay back is lower than the comps in a given area.
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You're the one peddling nonsense. If developing that factory into $$$$ housing or offices or retail or whatever doesn't pencil out then developing it into $$ data center really doesn't pencil out.
 
AKnate said:
We have a server.
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Probably not anymore, bet you new program is cloud based.

90%+ of what I do at work is from the cloud. Just a few years ago we had a server but was in dire need of an upgrade to keep up with technology. Now it's mostly in the cloud, always up to date, and being managed by people way smarter than the hack that was IT here before. The old server is just storage space because the owner can't bring himself to part with it. It's really a security risk waiting to happen because lack of updates.
 
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