Data centers at it again

ApeEater said:
The comment was, data centers don’t do much for the areas they’re built in, and that’s accurate.
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Data centers are widening the Federal highway a full lane in each direction AND the State Highway. The ones everyone complained about not bringing enough for 20 years. Somehow we now have money to get these extra lanes.
 
RunningProblem said:
We have so many jobs revolving around data centers people from Texas are moving here to work 12 hour days. Ever single RV park within an hour drive is full with 1,000 people on a waiting list if they're even taking names. When they're completed you have computer engineers working remotely to maintain them, and electricians locally to do hands on work.


There are a **** ton of jobs data centers bring. Maybe you're thinking 'well when they are finished being built and I imagine there isn't anything to do'.

It's like saying a power plant doesn't bring jobs to an area, or an oil drilling operating doesn't bring jobs. **** yeah it does. With all the people here the city and towns have to develop. Schools need more teachers. Grocery stores need more people stocking shelves. Amazon needs more drivers to deliver **** to the RV park. Propane sales, gas stations, welding shops, etc. all kinds of jobs are created because more money comes to town with the out of state people relocating. It's been over a decade and literally nothing is slowing down with data centers.






You sound comparable to the people saying 'this area can't sustain these home prices. This is a bubble. It's going to pop'. The only bubble popping is the one you're living in.
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lol, ok.

Yes, there are jobs. Maybe a dozen at most sites. These aren’t bringing thousands or even hundreds of jobs. Which you should know we already covered weeks ago when the comment you quoted was made.
 
Pocahontas said:
They are generally a net negative on the community as a whole. The data centers will find ten different locations then pit the towns against each other to get the best deal. They end up with favorable tax’s on the lot and utilities the one here locked in utilities for 25 years and had tax abatement for 50 years. The majority of the construction is done by contractors from outside of the communities and the few people that end up working at the data center don’t offset the higher utility cost for the community as a whole. You also have the light and noise pollution from the campus in general. The towns would be better off just developing the area as standard commercial or residential developments instead of data centers.
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Sounds like you need to vote in better elected officials.

Light and noise pollution? From a data centers? This is somehow different than a grocery store unloading a truck at 2am next to a residential area?


Oh, and those contractors from out of town. Yeah they bid the job because if it is anything like here there wasn't actually enough capable workers to do the job. Sorry the locals aren't ready to build a 600,000 sq ft building. Maybe the community should have done something about their labor force over the past decade. Nothing like crying about lack of jobs and lack of pay to then complain about someone else getting hired to do the job you couldn't.
 
ApeEater said:
lol, ok.

Yes, there are jobs. Maybe a dozen at most sites. These aren’t bringing thousands or even hundreds of jobs. Which you should know we already covered weeks ago when the comment you quoted was made.
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A dozen? Are you serious? A dozen. Got it. A dozen people work on site at a fully built data center taking all the water and power equal to the entire state.

Sorry I'm new to the discussion. Data centers fund the nearby counties VERY WELL and they have more than a dozen people on site. Enjoy your bubble.

Peace. The ****. Out. Too much ignorance and 'I watched a video on the internet' **** going on here.
 
Provience said:
Large infusion during construction, some long term dedicated on site, long term maintenance repair increase
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Large infusion during construction, but very few full time positions once complete... 10 people or so... Hell, I bet a Starbucks would provide 10 jobs.

(Now granted, there are some bigger facilities that will employ 30 or 40 people, but you aren't employing 100 people in any I have read about).

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Google just closed a deal on 1700 acres a few miles from where I live.
Lots of shady land deals to get local politicans and their fams $$$$$$

The site plan was published and locals started asking where all the parking is for the several hundred jobs the news keeps quoting. :laughing:
Estimated full time on site employees when complete is 40.
 
some ya'll must have tiny data centers if theres only 12-50 people working them..
This is what the clanker says will be required for the new 2200MW one down here...

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We did a job next to a Google data center in Pryor OK. There were never more than 10 or 15 cars in the parking lot. You can't even find the parking lot on maps.

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RunningProblem said:
We have so many jobs revolving around data centers people from Texas are moving here to work 12 hour days. Ever single RV park within an hour drive is full with 1,000 people on a waiting list if they're even taking names. When they're completed you have computer engineers working remotely to maintain them, and electricians locally to do hands on work.


There are a **** ton of jobs data centers bring. Maybe you're thinking 'well when they are finished being built and I imagine there isn't anything to do'.

It's like saying a power plant doesn't bring jobs to an area, or an oil drilling operating doesn't bring jobs. **** yeah it does. With all the people here the city and towns have to develop. Schools need more teachers. Grocery stores need more people stocking shelves. Amazon needs more drivers to deliver **** to the RV park. Propane sales, gas stations, welding shops, etc. all kinds of jobs are created because more money comes to town with the out of state people relocating. It's been over a decade and literally nothing is slowing down with data centers.






You sound comparable to the people saying 'this area can't sustain these home prices. This is a bubble. It's going to pop'. The only bubble popping is the one you're living in.
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Nailed it :beer:
 
grumpy356 said:
Large infusion during construction, but very few full time positions once complete... 10 people or so... Hell, I bet a Starbucks would provide 10 jobs.

(Now granted, there are some bigger facilities that will employ 30 or 40 people, but you aren't employing 100 people in any I have read about).

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Uh ok. Before I peaced out of Project Mgmt I consistently had 20-25 techs as a... wait for it... AWS vendor. This was for a solid 10 yrs with 6 + other vendors in my trade. Since then it's grown massively and that was just "my" trade.
You're ****ing stoned, bro.
 
RunningProblem said:
A dozen? Are you serious? A dozen. Got it. A dozen people work on site at a fully built data center taking all the water and power equal to the entire state.

Sorry I'm new to the discussion. Data centers fund the nearby counties VERY WELL and they have more than a dozen people on site. Enjoy your bubble.

Peace. The ****. Out. Too much ignorance and 'I watched a video on the internet' **** going on here.
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Pick a specific site, then we can talk about that specific instance. See my comment below.
Sceep said:
some ya'll must have tiny data centers if theres only 12-50 people working them..
This is what the clanker says will be required for the new 2200MW one down here...

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Yes, the vast majority of data centers being built are not the “uses more electricity than all of Utah” size.
 
Mr250twostroke said:
Uh ok. Before I peaced out of Project Mgmt I consistently had 20-25 techs as a... wait for it... AWS vendor. This was for a solid 10 yrs with 6 + other vendors in my trade. Since then it's grown massively and that was just "my" trade.
You're ****ing stoned, bro.
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We just went through this in my county... They said how many jobs... It's how they were trying to garner support. They weren't rounding down., I assure you.

But OK.... You know more than the people developing the project...
GO IT.
 
bdkw1 said:
Which does about as much good for the local economy as outsourcing to India. Which they probably do.
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how so? you don't think remote workers are local?

I beleive the majority of the remote staff (~3k people) at my office are located within 100 miles of home base. (I would have to do some digging to actually prove that stat so take it for what its worth).
 
grumpy356 said:
We just went through this in my county... They said how many jobs... It's how they were trying to garner support. They weren't rounding down., I assure you.

But OK.... You know more than the people developing the project...
GO IT.
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Wouldn't surprise me at all if the original 750 staff i posted above was inflated to the 1500 claimed just to garner support.
 
ApeEater said:
Pick a specific site, then we can talk about that specific instance. See my comment below.

Yes, the vast majority of data centers being built are not the “uses more electricity than all of Utah” size.
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No. No point. You're against them. There is zero reason discussing it with you because your opinion won't change.

Bring ALL the blue collar workers here, and bring their well educated corporate business leaders too. Bring their new trailer purchases, kids, experience, knowledge, new home money and other disposable income right here. **** the other 49 states, especially Texas. **** Texas.
 
grumpy356 said:
We just went through this in my county... They said how many jobs... It's how they were trying to garner support. They weren't rounding down., I assure you.

But OK.... You know more than the people developing the project...
GO IT.
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You're like a parody account on Twitter :homer:. I just called out your bull**** with 10 + years of on-site experience in... again...one fukkin trade. How many trades do you think data centers keep on hand locally for growth and upgrades? I'll answer that for you. You're clueless. Those are simply vendors.
****, keep reading your developer stuff, I guess :homer:
 
RunningProblem said:
No. No point. You're against them. There is zero reason discussing it with you because your opinion won't change.

Bring ALL the blue collar workers here, and bring their well educated corporate business leaders too. Bring their new trailer purchases, kids, experience, knowledge, new home money and other disposable income right here. **** the other 49 states, especially Texas. **** Texas.
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Do you know what I do for a living?

Show me a post I’ve made against data centers. What I’ve said is “they don’t bring significant jobs to the area compared to their resource usage.”
 
Sceep said:
how so? you don't think remote workers are local?

I beleive the majority of the remote staff (~3k people) at my office are located within 100 miles of home base. (I would have to do some digging to actually prove that stat so take it for what its worth).
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The only remote workers we have are Indian.

Nephew works for Amazon doing computer nerd ****. He has a whole team in Costa Rica. Sad thing he bitchs every time he has to go down and do face to face ****. I'd be trying to go remote and live in CR if I was him.
 
Mr250twostroke said:
You're like a parody account on Twitter :homer:. I just called out your bull**** with 10 + years of on-site experience in... again...one fukkin trade. How many trades do you think data centers keep on hand locally for growth and upgrades? I'll answer that for you. You're clueless. Those are simply vendors.
****, keep reading your developer stuff, I guess :homer:
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1. Technology is constantly changing.
2. I quoted what they were claiming to get support from the community
3. I through it into the AI.
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Typical data center staff includes operational technicians, engineers, security personnel, and managers, with small facilities (1–5 MW) needing about 8–15 staff and large facilities (20+ MW) requiring 35 or more staff depending on automation and service levels.

Typical Data Center Staffing Levels
Data center staffing varies based on the facility's size, complexity, and operational requirements. Below is a breakdown of typical staffing levels for different sizes of data centers.

Staffing by Facility Size​


Small (1–5 MW)8–15 operational staff
Medium (5–20 MW)15–35 operational staff
Large (20+ MW)35+ operational staff


Facility Size (MW)


Typical Staff Count



Key Roles in Data Centers​

Data centers require a variety of roles to ensure smooth operations:

  • Operational Technicians: Handle day-to-day operations, including monitoring and maintenance.
  • Engineers: Focus on the mechanical and electrical systems that power and cool the facility.
  • Security Personnel: Ensure physical security and compliance, especially in sensitive environments.
  • Management: Oversee operations, manage staff, and coordinate vendor relationships.

Factors Influencing Staffing Needs​

  1. Automation Level: Facilities with advanced automation may require fewer staff. (...... Like the New ones being purposed, not the **** from 10 years ago)
  2. Service Level Requirements: Higher uptime guarantees necessitate more staff for 24/7 coverage.
  3. Facility Type: Colocation sites typically need more personnel for client support compared to dedicated enterprise data centers.
Understanding these factors helps in planning effective staffing strategies for data centers.
 
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grumpy356 said:
1. Technology is constantly changing.
2. I quoted what they were claiming to get support from the community
3. I through it into the AI.
.
ypical dta center staff includes operational technicians, engineers, security personnel, and managers, with small facilities (1–5 MW) needing about 8–15 staff and large facilities (20+ MW) requiring 35 or more staff depending on automation and service levels.

Typical Data Center Staffing Levels
Data center staffing varies based on the facility's size, complexity, and operational requirements. Below is a breakdown of typical staffing levels for different sizes of data centers.

Staffing by Facility Size​


Small (1–5 MW)8–15 operational staff
Medium (5–20 MW)15–35 operational staff
Large (20+ MW)35+ operational staff


Facility Size (MW)


Typical Staff Count



Key Roles in Data Centers​

Data centers require a variety of roles to ensure smooth operations:

  • Operational Technicians: Handle day-to-day operations, including monitoring and maintenance.
  • Engineers: Focus on the mechanical and electrical systems that power and cool the facility.
  • Security Personnel: Ensure physical security and compliance, especially in sensitive environments.
  • Management: Oversee operations, manage staff, and coordinate vendor relationships.

Factors Influencing Staffing Needs​

  1. Automation Level: Facilities with advanced automation may require fewer staff. (sic... Like the New ones being purposed, not the **** from 10 years ago)
  2. Service Level Requirements: Higher uptime guarantees necessitate more staff for 24/7 coverage.
  3. Facility Type: Colocation sites typically need more personnel for client support compared to dedicated enterprise data centers.
Understanding these factors helps in planning effective staffing strategies for data centers.
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You used a data center to find information about a data center. I love this so much.


The word 'may' and 'shall' aren't the same. It MAY require MORE staff than before. Somehow people ignore the possibility of their thoughts being wrong.
 
Sceep said:
I can get on board with that!

2200MW going in in the 3rd driest county in NM?! insane.
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The ones here just buy giant generators and have the State air pollution board call them 'emergency.'
Apparently 'emergency' includes when the data center goes down and your Amazon Web Services goes down.
 
grumpy356 said:
1. Technology is constantly changing.
2. I quoted what they were claiming to get support from the community
3. I through it into the AI.
.
ypical dta center staff includes operational technicians, engineers, security personnel, and managers, with small facilities (1–5 MW) needing about 8–15 staff and large facilities (20+ MW) requiring 35 or more staff depending on automation and service levels.

Typical Data Center Staffing Levels
Data center staffing varies based on the facility's size, complexity, and operational requirements. Below is a breakdown of typical staffing levels for different sizes of data centers.

Staffing by Facility Size​


Small (1–5 MW)8–15 operational staff
Medium (5–20 MW)15–35 operational staff
Large (20+ MW)35+ operational staff


Facility Size (MW)


Typical Staff Count



Key Roles in Data Centers​

Data centers require a variety of roles to ensure smooth operations:

  • Operational Technicians: Handle day-to-day operations, including monitoring and maintenance.
  • Engineers: Focus on the mechanical and electrical systems that power and cool the facility.
  • Security Personnel: Ensure physical security and compliance, especially in sensitive environments.
  • Management: Oversee operations, manage staff, and coordinate vendor relationships.

Factors Influencing Staffing Needs​

  1. Automation Level: Facilities with advanced automation may require fewer staff. (...... Like the New ones being purposed, not the **** from 10 years ago)
  2. Service Level Requirements: Higher uptime guarantees necessitate more staff for 24/7 coverage.
  3. Facility Type: Colocation sites typically need more personnel for client support compared to dedicated enterprise data centers.
Understanding these factors helps in planning effective staffing strategies for data centers.
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Your AI belief is gayer than Gay Gayerson.
And I 2nd that you using that as fact is hilarious :lmao:
 
Mr250twostroke said:
Your AI belief is gayer than Gay Gayerson.
And I 2nd that you using that as fact is hilarious :lmao:
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I believed what the people who wanted the project to go through advertised.

And did I believe them over the guy who’s working in older facilities… Yes.

Then, did I go and check AI just to verify that I wasn’t totally off base… You got me again.

But whatever… You’re right.
Thousand employees. They all need 1000 employees. It doesn’t matter the size the facility. Gotta have 1000 bodies. On site. Three shifts. Hundred percent. You got me.
 
RunningProblem said:
A dozen? Are you serious? A dozen. Got it. A dozen people work on site at a fully built data center taking all the water and power equal to the entire state.

Sorry I'm new to the discussion. Data centers fund the nearby counties VERY WELL and they have more than a dozen people on site. Enjoy your bubble.

Peace. The ****. Out. Too much ignorance and 'I watched a video on the internet' **** going on here.
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Have you ever been inside a cloud DC? There are far fewer people there than you think. Easy to see <12 on a day to day basis... Even back in Gen3 days.
 
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