Trapping thieves

JR4X said:
I’m a heavy sleeper most the time. I wouldn’t hear a grinder cutting a lock 150 ft away from my bed through the walls of the house.
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I have window shaker ac units which kinda block out a lot of noise.

I like the hav-a-hart style door.
I like the 12 guage trip sensors.

I just need to come up with a hav-a-hart system that is safe for myself and my kids.
 
Motion detector inside the container to activate a small winch to wind the doors shut and stall and burn up once they get inside ?
Lots more better ideas but none that I think need to be in print because premeditation. There was a chemical in a salt test kit that we had one time that would stain the skin ,of a white person, brown and it would have to be worn off. Nothing washed it off. Maybe silver nitrate? Didn’t seem to cause any harm but didn’t wash off and could be applied liberally .
 
The trap idea sounds fun. Two spring loaded gates pinned back to the sides, hinges right inside the door and opening in. Trip wire on the rear wheel of the first/easiest bike to grab. Bike moves, gates shut and magnetic latches top and bottom. Definitely need a hidden mag release from the inside, all the way in the back or something so you don't trap yourself.

Can up the difficulty if the mag latch is a ground to electrify the gate with an electric fence rig from tractor supply. Good Luck.

Would probably be less fun but easer to just have multiple locking bars to hold the doors shut so they can't get in as easily.

Grinder resistant lock tube on the door with a grinder resistant lock tube on a cross bar that pins both doors. Maybe a mag latch too. Weld the seams between the doors smaller so they can't get a pry bar in.
 
Just put a fake pressure switch in the floor, so when they step on it, it sinks down and clicks and maybe they won't step off it and you can catch them out there. At least that way it should be legal as they are free to leave and nothing to actually hurt them.

Or make it real and disperse bear spray at them.
 
SomeGuyFromOlympia said:
I call it citizens arrest

A citizen’s arrest is the detainment of a suspected lawbreaker by a private individual rather than a sworn police officer
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years back, owner of one of the bike stores caught a guy stealing a bunch of ****. They cuffed him to a pole in the building and left him on display until the cops got there. He was pretty proud of that one :laughing:
 
[486] said:
has to be a felony for a citizen's arrest
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Just leave some old derelict firearms in the container with the bikes. They will more likely grab the firearms to take too. Felony. As if the value of the objects stolen is not enough by itself in most cases to meet the threshold. Or rape the thief=felony.
 
[486] said:
has to be a felony for a citizen's arrest
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That is not accurate. A citizen may arrest another citizen for any crime, even an infraction. It's up to the responding officer to decide if a crime has in fact been committed. The officer must take custody. They then make a physical arrest or release the suspect, or cite and release the suspect, and document the incident. Any citation or arrest will be noted as a "Citizens Arrest". The arresting citizen is open to criminal charges and a civil suit if they are misleading or are making an arrest without cause.

When a misdemeanor or lower crime isn't committed in a officers presence, for instance a battery or tresspassing, the victim needs to request the suspect be charged. That's in effect a citizens arrest. The officer is acting on behalf of the arresting citizen.

An officer can't make a probable cause (PC) arrest of lower crimes without witnessing it. There are specific crimes that laws have been passed to allow PC, warrantless arrests without the officer actually witnessing the crime, like some DUI's in California.

If it's a felony, an officer doesn't need a citizen to make a PC arrest. They can, and are actually required by law in most states, to make a PC arrest. The victim or witnessing citizen is only listed as a victim or witness.

For instance, I was called to a drunk passed out in his vehicle in front of a 7/11. The clerk said the guy comes in there regularly while ****faced and tries to buy more beer. She always refuses and kicks him out. This time he got into his car and promptly passed out. I explained that since we didn't see him driving she would have to make a citizen's arrest. I was new to the job then and thought the citizen actually had to tell the suspect they were arresting them when all that's required is they tell the officer. She says "I'm arresting you for drunk driving." He responds "**** you bitch", takes a step towards her and gets taken to the asphalt. We saved him from getting his drunk ass kicked by a fiesty old lady. He gets arrested, I get a good story.

Edit: I always thought the right of citizens to arrest another citizen was by federal statute. It's not. It's based upon a 13th century English law. It varies greatly by state, so look up what applies before deciding to make a citizen's arrest. What I wrote applies to California only.
 
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Mikel said:
On a somewhat related note...

www.koco.com

Oklahoma homeowner charged after shooting squatter in vacant house

A 59-year-old Oklahoma man is charged with manslaughter after shooting a squatter in his vacant home, raising questions about self-defense laws.
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This dude seriously ****ed up. First, he shot a guy and then talked to the cops. He forgot rule #1, "shut the **** up". He told them he didn't feel threatened and didn't see any weapons. He wasn't in his primary residence so no castle doctrine immunity. He ****ed himself.
 
BDK said:
This dude seriously ****ed up. First, he shot a guy and then talked to the cops. He forgot rule #1, "shut the **** up". He told them he didn't feel threatened and didn't see any weapons. He wasn't in his primary residence so no castle doctrine immunity. He ****ed himself.
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Castle doctrine only applies to primary residences?
 
Steve300xcw said:
years back, owner of one of the bike stores caught a guy stealing a bunch of ****. They cuffed him to a pole in the building and left him on display until the cops got there. He was pretty proud of that one :laughing:
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In 2006ish a couple guys in Tacoma were drinking beer in their driveway and saw a guy trying to steal their car. They went over and beat the **** out of him and ended up killing him.

The cops pressed no charges.

Try that today and you are going to be in a world of ****.
 
bdkw1 said:
Doesn't that vary state to state?
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In Oklahoma, where that happened, it applies to cars.
And yeah... it's state dependent.

Here are the ones it doesn't apply.... per AI:
States commonly cited as not having vehicle-specific castle doctrine protections or having more limited protections include:

  • Connecticut (castle doctrine generally applies to homes and workplaces, not vehicles)
  • New York (home protections exist, but vehicle protections are more limited and situation-dependent)
  • Massachusetts
  • New Jersey
  • Rhode Island
  • Vermont
 
food for thought...

If you trap them inside the container nothing has been stolen yet.

Might get them on trespassing but not likely for theft.
 
Mikel said:
Castle doctrine only applies to primary residences?
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That can change day to day.
Camping? Applies to your tent.
Vacation? Applies to your hotel room.
Own a second home you rent out but are not sleeping in? Not so much.

The intent is protection of the place where you sleep/reside.
 
Mikel said:
Castle doctrine only applies to primary residences?
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I don't see how it could apply to a empty house just because you own it.

I'm actually not 100% sure it applies only to a primary residence, but you would have to at least be sleeping there to claim you were defending your home.
Sceep said:
food for thought...

If you trap them inside the container nothing has been stolen yet.

Might get them on trespassing but not likely for theft.
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That would be burglary.

Burglary is a property crime defined as the unlawful or forcible entry into a structure with the intent to commit a crime inside.
 
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