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Blase said:
Turning wise the ARB in the rear will help a lot. However if you can disengage the rear and only engage it when working an obstacle that helps too. Are you have you broken any front shaft in this thing ever? I'm not a huge RCV fan. I've heard too many clicking and heard plenty of 6 month warranty horror story's. Branik for my $$!
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Plan is arb rear eventually, just thought it would be down the road. I do plan on some road driving...

I've had 3 set of rcv's (Toyota and samurai) and never had an issue. I didn't run the D60 long enough to break anything in the last rig.

My hang up with high end ujoint shaft combos is the ujoint maintenance with no needle bearings. I hated greasing the Yukon joints. Overson has chromo joints with a single zerk and bronze bushings, but I am weary of thier availability.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
Plan is arb rear eventually, just thought it would be down the road. I do plan on some road driving...

I've had 3 set of rcv's (Toyota and samurai) and never had an issue. I didn't run the D60 long enough to break anything in the last rig.

My hang up with high end ujoint shaft combos is the ujoint maintenance with no needle bearings. I hated greasing the Yukon joints. Overson has chromo joints with a single zerk and bronze bushings, but I am weary of thier availability.
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buddy i met over here in iowa ran the overson, and he did not have good luck with them. he maybe hard on his junk but he broke them 21K views · 19K reactions | Almost had it saved 👀 #showupshowout #rbd2025 #fail | BUSTED KNUCKLE FILMS if you can see this busted knuckle link. thats his rig. green one.
 
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Ouverson I think is the only brand I don’t have in the pain the ass rollerless u-joints. My CTM’s lived through every broken shaft and blown up locker. But you grease them ever day you use the rig.
 
chaplinfj60 said:
buddy i met over here in iowa ran the overson, and he did not have good luck with them. he maybe hard on his junk but he broke them 21K views · 19K reactions | Almost had it saved 👀 #showupshowout #rbd2025 #fail | BUSTED KNUCKLE FILMS if you can see this busted knuckle link. thats his rig. green one.
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I fully understand they're not as strong as some of the other joints out there. I may have 43sx but I don't plan to anything rock bouncer like. Just thought they would be a good step up from spicer

JR4X said:
Ouverson I think is the only brand I don’t have in the pain the ass rollerless u-joints. My CTM’s lived through every broken shaft and blown up locker. But you grease them ever day you use the rig.
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This is my fear, I plan to drive it to snow runs and home in 4wd. Last thing I want to do is grease 8 tiny zerks in the ice and snow.

So it's either Spicer, I
Overson, or rcv's
 
so hitting the grease zerks is not that bad. even while on a wheeling trip. get hand help gun, steel tube not rubber and have the needle screwed into that tube. with two people it can be done in under 5 minutes. by your self takes just a little bit longer. but i would rather have rcv for roads for sure.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
I fully understand they're not as strong as some of the other joints out there. I may have 43sx but I don't plan to anything rock bouncer like. Just thought they would be a good step up from spicer



This is my fear, I plan to drive it to snow runs and home in 4wd. Last thing I want to do is grease 8 tiny zerks in the ice and snow.

So it's either Spicer, I
Overson, or rcv's
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I swapped back to spicers when I was racing on 37’s. We’re struggling to keep Branik joints in good shape with the endurance racing part. They don’t hold enough grease for 500 miles and 700 hp. When they are brand new they are also really hard to grease. The seal too well untill they have some wear and you can’t get the air out.
 
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chaplinfj60 said:
so hitting the grease zerks is not that bad. even while on a wheeling trip. get hand help gun, steel tube not rubber and have the needle screwed into that tube. with two people it can be done in under 5 minutes. by your self takes just a little bit longer. but i would rather have rcv for roads for sure
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The problem is I'm probably never going to remember to do it we can get home from the snow sometimes at midnight 2:00 a.m. everything's frozen with snow and ice packed around it. I just basically at this point for this rig I'm not going to run that style U-joint
 
JR4X said:
I swapped back to spicers when I was racing on 37’s. We’re struggling to keep Branik joints in good shape with the endurance racing part. They don’t hold enough grease for 500 miles and 700 hp. When they are brand new they are also really hard to grease. The seal too well untill they have some wear and you can get the air out.
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Honestly I'm thinking non-greasable Spicer would probably be strong enough for 99% of what I'm going to do. But I just like the extra piece of mind with the rcvs on somewhere longer trips. I'm also a little weary of breaking a spice or will the ears on the shaft spread and get ruined like on a 44 or can I break U-joints and replace them with the out hurting the shaft
 
I'd run the Spicer joints since they are strong, relatively cheap, maintenance free and last a long time. You also have the spares that are in the axle for long trips as a back up. The rear ARB will be a nice upgrade from welded.
 
2 86s said:
I'd run the Spicer joints since they are strong, relatively cheap, maintenance free and last a long time. You also have the spares that are in the axle for long trips as a back up. The rear ARB will be a nice upgrade from welded.
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Current axles are Yukons that went through a fire. Don't trust them much
 
Extra heat treating now! Should be enough to get you home in a pinch.
 
Thanks for everyone's input

I think I'm just going to go through with the RCV plan the rear axle is technically done and in the truck for the most part. So doing an ARB would be a set backwards as far as progress on getting it going.

Having 99% of my wheel and being with perfields the U-joint bind thing annoys the crap out of me. But the maintenance thing really is a big driver for the rcv's. That and trying to make something as bulletproof as reasonably possible.
 
I think I'm going to go ahead and say it

The Atlas has been the worst thing I've done to this project. Between the fiasco with rebuilding it and now trying to fit the massive thing where it never belonged it's taken all my motivation out of this project.

My current issue is my kids are growing faster than I'm building. My oldest is already 5'7" at 13 and I don't see him stopping anytime soon. So I'm not sure my plan of having him sit right behind the tcase will work.

The whole point of this rig was bringing the whole family, so I'm really at a tough point right now. If this project was worth anything, it would probably already be gone, but I have too much time into it to sell the parts that are worth anything and scrap it.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
I think I'm going to go ahead and say it

The Atlas has been the worst thing I've done to this project. Between the fiasco with rebuilding it and now trying to fit the massive thing where it never belonged it's taken all my motivation out of this project.

My current issue is my kids are growing faster than I'm building. My oldest is already 5'7" at 13 and I don't see him stopping anytime soon. So I'm not sure my plan of having him sit right behind the tcase will work.

The whole point of this rig was bringing the whole family, so I'm really at a tough point right now. If this project was worth anything, it would probably already be gone, but I have too much time into it to sell the parts that are worth anything and scrap it.
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Yeah that's a tough one that I find myself in also, the kids are growing faster than I can build :laughing: I think this is why people end up with JL's on 40's or 220hp golf carts.

Your floor situation is why my back half TJ build turned into a buggy.
 
Kids can fit in some tight spots without complaint. Plus they can always get out and walk/stretch. Keep moving forward and don't overthink it.
 
2 86s said:
Kids can fit in some tight spots without complaint. Plus they can always get out and walk/stretch. Keep moving forward and don't overthink it.
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They can fit, sure. We just did 3 days in moab, all 5 of us and 80lb dog in a samurai, not joking.

But, it wasn't all that fun, and sure as **** wasn't safe.

My concern is head to cage room, for saftey, not them being cramped.

Diablo169 said:
Yeah that's a tough one that I find myself in also, the kids are growing faster than I can build :laughing: I think this is why people end up with JL's on 40's or 220hp golf carts.

Your floor situation is why my back half TJ build turned into a buggy.
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This thing is all the work of building a buggy, plus the inconvenience of building a truck, and none of the cool factor of either :laughing:
 
I did stick a piece of lumber across the frame, set the seat on it and sat in it. I'm like 5'11" but have somewhat tall torso, similar to most ~6'1" guys. I had enough room, but was little tight, helmet would probably be a good idea for hard trails.

Also not sure if the seat would have to go up from there to clear the driveshaft. Either way, I think it's OK for a while, if I plan much further ahead, none of them will fit.

I still say atlas' suck in Toyotas, wouldn't recommend to anyone that's not wanting to have them hang way down, and still cut the floor a lot.
 
I’ve forgotten or missed a bunch but did you take the dual transmissions out or are you adding the atlas to them?
 
FleshEater said:
I could have grabbed you a $150 NP205 and shipped it. They are CHEAP here.
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I can find a 205 cheap, it's just not the one I need. Only certain dodge 205s are 23sp female and round 6 pattern.

JR4X said:
Except that’s a bigger problem to fit in there. If space is a problem with an atlas a 205 would be a massive problem.
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Are they really that much different? I know the tmi 205 case is smaller than the Atlas by a hair.

Really, I should just drop the trans an case down more, but I'm already 2" below the frame and making step down crossmembers would be a ton of work and make the skid plat way more complex.
 
YotaAtieToo said:
I can find a 205 cheap, it's just not the one I need. Only certain dodge 205s are 23sp female and round 6 pattern.



Are they really that much different? I know the tmi 205 case is smaller than the Atlas by a hair.
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Are you buying a tmi205?
 
The Toyota tunnels are tighter and the cases are more vertical/tall while the other cases you mentioned are side by side oriented. It's a square peg in a round hole kind of deal. An OG iron 205 is definitely bigger than an Atlas which is bigger than a D300.
 
2 86s said:
The Toyota tunnels are tighter and the cases are more vertical/tall while the other cases you mentioned are side by side oriented. It's a square peg in a round hole kind of deal. An OG iron 205 is definitely bigger than an Atlas which is bigger than a D300.
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It's not the tunnel, it's the floor sitting right on the frame, and the seat right on the floor. Even my samurai has space under the seat, and the floor isn't right on top of the frame. Jeeps have even more room.

Most people just drop the case way low. I thought 2" subframe was a good compromise from a true flat belly, but I guess not enough
 
Would your situation improve by losing a transmission? Gotta think it would.
 
2 86s said:
An OG iron 205 is definitely bigger than an Atlas which is bigger than a D300.
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An atlas will fit anywhere a 300 previously resided. While its gerth is bigger the picture frame it sits in is the same.
 
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