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D60/70 7.17 carrier questions

_stucky

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For several years I have had a set of 7.17s for a 60 and a 70. I don’t remember who from the old place I got them from. The intention is/was to put them in my 95 2.5 yj. When I originally swapped axles, it was more of a hey I have this stuff, will it work. I used an 88 Comanche 21 spline 231 (early aw4 is 21 spline, ax5 is 21 spline) input in a 91ish dodge 241 to get passenger side drop. I used stock wagoneer front springs, spring over, on a gm60, and used a 70hd from the same 79 k30, but put srw 14 hubs on to make it the same width as the front, spring under with lift wagoneer springs and the shackle mount moved down. For the record, that 70 is 77.5 inches wide.

The problem with this setup is fairly obvious, it won’t fit anywhere, including our car trailer.

Fast forward, I put srw hubs on the 60 a few years ago, and have recently acquired and swapped in a 97 srw dodge 2500 70u2. The 60 has a lock right, the 70 has a powerlok, both 4.10s. The yj is on 39 iroks.

The second problem is 2.5 and 4.10s. I know an ls swap would liven it up. While I am not against it, it’s not what I want to do. I have these 7.17s and would like to put them in this winter.

My question is, can I use ring gear spacers and avoid changing carriers? Where can I get ring gear spacers? Will I have to have someone make them, or are they available to buy? I was looking a couple weeks ago, and didn’t really come up with anything that I can just order.

I have done a few ring and pinion setups, and have gotten comfortable redoing things multiple times to make it right.

Edit: I guess I should specify, d60 spacers seem to be available. But I don’t see anything for a d70. I have another question, since jantz is putting 70 gears in 60s, could I used 2 d60 spacers?
 
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Bump. Here is the 70hd with srw 14 bolt hubs. I used weld on disk brackets.
 
Back from dead. Cause I like 7.17 gear idea.
Did you get this sorted out? Find spacer or run two spacers or still thinking about options?
 
I don’t have any 70 gears sitting around at the shop. I do believe it’s a bigger carrier for the 70, Jantz uses adapter bearings to stuff the 70 gears/carrier into the 70 housing. I have a deck height chart at the shop, I’m curious to see what the difference is. My first thought was machine the carrier on the non ring gear side to get the bearing to press on further and run a bigger shim “master” shim on the ring gear side. Would be a non issue if you have the meat on the carrier and that it doesn’t put the bearing on the ring gear side too far out of the cap. That, or just have someone make a ring gear spacer.
 
Unfortunately this all went to ****. Our shop burned down with the jeep in it late summer. Of course no insurance on the jeep, and of course I had pretty much all the parts that I intended to put on it either in the bed area or stacked up around it, including a 5.3 and 4l80e that were ready to go, motobilt boatsides, and several other things. I do have the 7.17s still. I cut the axles out of the jeep and it is still waiting for me to take it to the junkyard. I just have a hard time motivating myself to do it.
 
It’s a ****y situation. Nothing that covers my jeep.
 
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This is how it sat when it burnt. If it would have started I would have had it in the other shed. But it didn’t so I rolled it back to here. Honestly the jeep is small potatoes compared to everything else.


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Well if you need something to keep you up at night, it was probably started by a Milwaukee battery on a charger. 99 years of about 4 generations hoarding things in there.
 
_stucky said:
Well if you need something to keep you up at night, it was probably started by a Milwaukee battery on a charger. 99 years of about 4 generations hoarding things in there.
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I don’t need any help there. Since me and the old lady split all of my worldly possessions are currently under one roof at my business. So it would be pretty easy to lose everything I own in one shot.
 
I will say though there is a silver lining. We farm and we were just about to start in the fields. We had been getting everything ready. Our main auger wagon tractor and auger wagon had been parked in the driveway where the white ford was until the day before, our combine was on the concrete pad in front of the shop until the day before, then I had brought our big caterpillar up when my dad moved the combine and I cleaned the cab out. I would have left the big caterpillar there that night but my son wanted a ride and I was done with it so we got in and moved it. It didn’t get the barn, the machine shed, or the house that my great grandparents built. No one lives there so no one saw it until 6 am the next day. The house almost went up too. Like minutes away being gone. We also lost a forklift, a Massey Ferguson tractor, both of my grandpas trucks (he passed away about 2 years earlier), the 93 Cummins dodge with only 500000 miles that he bought new was also mine, the white ford crew cab was his last work truck, the Dakota wasn’t very sentimental but was a friends dads truck. Literal tons of things that just ended up getting scrapped.
 
Byro, or anyone really, insurance people and fire marshal told us to walk around and make a video where you open drawers and cabinets to document what you have. Best we had was looking in the background of pics I had taken over the years of working on junk in there, and sifting throw it all with a shovel and a notebook. There was over 4000 pounds of bolts in the bolts bins. How the **** do you document that after the fact? We found things we couldn’t even decide what they were.
 
Damn. Like others have said, this is one of my biggest fears as well. Can’t insure my buggy and I am sure insurance would find way to **** me on my tools. Fortunately no one was injured and there is no loss of life, but I would sure be feeling like ending all if that happened to me.
 
That is one thing I try to be anal about. Plug the charger in, plug battery in and charge it, remove battery and unplug charger. But I've forgotten them overnight before. It helps that I only have 1 outlet in my carport turned garage.
 
I asked fire marshal what to do about that and he said put them all on a switch so you can flip it off. Either like wire an outlet to a switch or use a power strip. Also when I asked him about the batteries (there was 2 chargers plugged in with an older smaller m18 battery on 1, and I know it was plugged in still because I looked at it and didn’t do anything about it before I left), he said, and I quote, “we deal with them everyday”. I thought oooooh boy, everyone has lithium ion batteries in everything.

Before this, I have a buddy with a Harley that the lithium Battery exploded while he was riding. And a local lawn mower repair shop burned from a battery charger, they have that on video. And another local farmer had their shop burn a couple weeks after ours from a knockoff Milwaukee battery exploding while charging. Also have 2 friends who have had their garages burn from car battery chargers, one was on a boat battery, one was on his wife’s car.

Aaaaaaaaand to make things even better, we had a 170hp Kubota that caught on fire like 5 weeks before our shop. It really didn’t look bad, but they totaled it. It has def, and the gizmo that heats up to, I want to say I read in the manual 1400 degrees, yea that had a bird nest on top of it, and above that, fuel lines.
 
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