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WaterH

WaterH

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So I got a junky boat trailer and I borrowed some wheels tires to get it home. Now I am thinking of putting new tires on the old wheels. I tried with screw drivers and such and couldn’t get anywhere getting the old tires off. Is there a trick?

I’m talking about 10” wheels.

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A lot of places sell the tires with the wheels mounted for not a lot more money. Is what everybody does?
 
Check the speed rating of tires like that.

I've never seen legal road wheels/tires that small.
 
total newb said:
Very common on old single axle pop up campers.
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Maybe different minimums in canada.

I remember my Dad needing a wheel/tire upgrade kit for his cement mixer to trailer it - along with a trailer license plate.
 
u2slow said:
Check the speed rating of tires like that.

I've never seen legal road wheels/tires that small.
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The borrowed wheels/tires worked fine on the trip back. I won’t be going that distance again. This is a real light pontoon boat. The tires never even got hot.
 
You understand diameter vs speed right?

Edit: i would care for the highway (fast) use.
 
u2slow said:
You understand diameter vs speed right?

Edit: i would care for the highway (fast) use.
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Yes I was doing highway speeds on the trip home. Anyways, I’m not trying to reengineer it. I just want to put new tires on it. I thought small tires would be easy, but no such luck. Unless there’s some easy trick.
 
total newb said:
Nope.

Mower/lawn tractor/atv/golf cart tires all suck ass.

Hf tire spoons and put it back on the axle.
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I’m sure I can get it off some with a cut off wheel. My main question is putting the new tire going to be hard too? I don’t want to order tires and end up ordering tires and wheels. Do tire shops work on these?
 
u2slow said:
Check the speed rating of tires like that.

I've never seen legal road wheels/tires that small.
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They're typically called "pontoon tires". Smaller diameter to keep pontoon trailers low. I have them on a jetski trailer too.


OP - I replaced the ones on my jetski trailer earlier this year. Was fairly easy with the HF manual tire changer and HF spoons. You really need to break both beads and on the opposite side from where you're trying to spoon one bead off, get both beads pushed together and in to the deeper groove in the middle of the wheel. That'll give you enough slack to get the other side spooned over the wheel. And you really need the wheel secured to something - either back on the trailer or bolted down to a table or something. An extra set of hands helps to keep the beads together and pushed in to the rim.
 
hi lift jack foot right at the edge, then jack your truck up, it will break the bead.

Is that what your trying to do?
 
WaterH said:
I’m sure I can get it off some with a cut off wheel. My main question is putting the new tire going to be hard too? I don’t want to order tires and end up ordering tires and wheels. Do tire shops work on these?
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Yes they will, for a price.

What does a complete wheel/tire cost vs tire/instal?

Hf tire spoons are $20.
 
eTrailer.com has a bunch of highway legal name-brand tires already mounted on wheels. Nothing in 10" rim, but you might be able to upgrade to 12" or even go down to 8" depending on tire size and load. I regret screwing with mounting those little tires every time I try.
 
bgaidan said:
They're typically called "pontoon tires". Smaller diameter to keep pontoon trailers low. I have them on a jetski trailer too.


OP - I replaced the ones on my jetski trailer earlier this year. Was fairly easy with the HF manual tire changer and HF spoons. You really need to break both beads and on the opposite side from where you're trying to spoon one bead off, get both beads pushed together and in to the deeper groove in the middle of the wheel. That'll give you enough slack to get the other side spooned over the wheel. And you really need the wheel secured to something - either back on the trailer or bolted down to a table or something. An extra set of hands helps to keep the beads together and pushed in to the rim.
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I have broke both beads, but I don’t have them pushed together. That will be tough on these wide tires. I think I have a set of those small spoons. I ordered them years ago thinking they were bigger. I’ll have to figure out something to bolt to. I’ll give it one more try.
 
u2slow said:
Maybe different minimums in canada.

I remember my Dad needing a wheel/tire upgrade kit for his cement mixer to trailer it - along with a trailer license plate.
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My dad had to upgrade the spindles, hubs and wheels on his cement mixer because the tires were always blowing out. Once I took over I realized that the tire shop that he was using was selling him the stupidest sized and rated tires, so that may have contributed :homer:.
 
WaterH said:
I have broke both beads, but I don’t have them pushed together. That will be tough on these wide tires. I think I have a set of those small spoons. I ordered them years ago thinking they were bigger. I’ll have to figure out something to bolt to. I’ll give it one more try.
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You can bolt the wheel to your welding table with a piece of large diameter pipe that fits around the wheel to push the tire bead off of the wheel bead. When installing the new tire bolt the wheel to the table with a spacer under it so it doesn't reset on the table, so you have some space to work until it.

When purchasing these these particular tires you might want to look into getting the correct weight rating, a heavier weight rated tire is going to be more of a fight to install.
 
When I remove worn out/trashed tires, I just get the Sawall and cut them off of the rim.
 
Hydromaster said:
When I remove worn out/trashed tires, I just get the Sawall and cut them off of the rim.
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Yea, I know I can do that. It’s just that if I can’t get it off the normal way, I’m thinking I won’t be able to get the new ones on.
 
M92PV4U said:
You can bolt the wheel to your welding table with a piece of large diameter pipe that fits around the wheel to push the tire bead off of the wheel bead. When installing the new tire bolt the wheel to the table with a spacer under it so it doesn't reset on the table, so you have some space to work until it.

When purchasing these these particular tires you might want to look into getting the correct weight rating, a heavier weight rated tire is going to be more of a fight to install.
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That sounds great, except I don’t have a welding table.
 
WaterH said:
Yea, I know I can do that. It’s just that if I can’t get it off the normal way, I’m thinking I won’t be able to get the new ones on.
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Maybe it’s just me, but I’ve always found it easier to get them on than to get them off.
I guess that’s why I go to the Sawall
 
M92PV4U said:
I thought you did:homer: any table with a hole in it.
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I should. I just use a piece of 1/2” plate. I will probably just use a vise some how. I can’t use the trailer because the boat is on it and it hangs in the way.
 
WaterH said:
I should. I just use a piece of 1/2” plate. I will probably just use a vise some how. I can’t use the trailer because the boat is on it and it hangs in the way.
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Without electronic brakes, the trailer can be a pita with the wheel spinning.
 
So I cut the sidewall with a razor.

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Then it was easy to pull that side off without tools. The remaining tire came off pretty easy with my spoons.

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I had the wheel bolted to a vise.

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Not sure where I got these spoons. Don’t think they are worth much.

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Waiting for the new tires to come in now.
 
Up date,

Got the new tires. 2 for a little over $100. New valve stems were hard as hell to install. Had to use a knipps pliers and all most crushed the stem. I need to buy one of those stem pullers.

Put some car wash soap on the beds and was able to push the first bed on pretty easy.

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Getting the last need on was a PITA. The trick was to get the one side of the bed in the wheel grove like someone said above. The problem was trying to get the bed down there. I ended up using the bed buster and a C-clamp.

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The spoons were useful then. I still could have used another set of hands to hold one spoon while I worked with the other. I ended up holding one spoon under my armpit.

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All done and my recommendation is everybody needs a “bead buster”. Get the best one they make. I did at the time, but they make better ones now.
 
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