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Why shouldnt i buy a modern ir air compressor?

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Xmas bonus came and totalgirlfriend wants a big aircomp to run a outdoor/oper sand blast pot and i want a cabinet and full need a legit aircomp.

So i can get (for the exact same price) the ir (Ss5L5 18.1 cfm) from amazon and the ir (TS4N5 15.3 cmf) from tractor supply. But thats not the question.

The question is are they still worth a shit? To be avoided these days?

I know that ir is not what it once was and a lot of people dont like their newer ir tools.
The only exp i have with them is a newish one shit the psi switch after a couple years but they are a wear item.

So what say ye ?
 
Can you find one of those portable compressor trailers? They worth a shit and have more cfm?
 
She wanted to strip our solid wood interior doors and it has poven to be nothing but a gigantic pain in the ass. Sand blast pots are easy.
 
I think all the retail type ones are built about the same, maybe look for one that has a magnetic contactor already on it for durability and ease of hookup. Is some kind of dryer gonna be necessary too?
 
Can you find one of those portable compressor trailers? They worth a shit and have more cfm?
15 cfm is plenty. I dont know that ill even need the 18 cfm the bigger one provides. The thing was they are the same price, but again the difference between the 2 is not the question.
 
As said, buy one with a factory installed magnetic starter. Highly likely you will get a much better motor (a real 5hp motor) as well. I don’t think you can have too much air. I am jealous of all the huge set ups, here I am with a 20 Gallon and “upgrading” to a 17 gallon 3 cylinder head compressor
 
No opinion on the IR, but make sure they generate the same max pressure. I got a deal on a compressor and didn't realize it tops out at 135, so less "reserve" in the tank than a 150 or 175 psi unit.
 
I would look for one with pressure lube. Maybe look for a used three phase one and swap the motor.
 
As said, buy one with a factory installed magnetic starter. Highly likely you will get a much better motor (a real 5hp motor) as well. I don’t think you can have too much air. I am jealous of all the huge set ups, here I am with a 20 Gallon and “upgrading” to a 17 gallon 3 cylinder head compressor
What am i looking for as far as a mag starter goes?
Idk what they look like or where i would find it.

Im used to seeing the single/dual capacitors on the motors them selfs.
 
What am i looking for as far as a mag starter goes?
Idk what they look like or where i would find it.

Im used to seeing the single/dual capacitors on the motors them selfs.
A box like this in addition to the pressure switch: https://www.amazon.com/Magnetic-Electric-Starter-Single-Control/dp/B009W5XQMI
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Xmas bonus came and totalgirlfriend wants a big aircomp to run a outdoor/oper sand blast pot and i want a cabinet and full need a legit aircomp.

So i can get (for the exact same price) the ir (Ss5L5 18.1 cfm) from amazon and the ir (TS4N5 15.3 cmf) from tractor supply. But thats not the question.

The question is are they still worth a shit? To be avoided these days?

I know that ir is not what it once was and a lot of people dont like their newer ir tools.
The only exp i have with them is a newish one shit the psi switch after a couple years but they are a wear item.

So what say ye ?
According to all the chatter, they went to shit when they started using emerson motors on 'em. I bought one back in 2008 w/ the emerson motor, and it hasn't skipped a beat since then. For the last 2 years, it gets a lot of heavy use running my blast cabinets.

I did add a cooler to it, which seems to help significantly with pulling water out of the air and keeping the tank cool.
 
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Buy for cfm and duty cycle. Two stage or more compressor heads, 100% duty cycle are both a must. Get a compressor with more cfm than you think you'll need, by about 25%.

Ir is still good as far as I'm aware. They sell rebuild kits for their compressor heads, which tells me they stand behind their gear to some extent. My parts built compressor has an ir two stage head and it's bad ass.

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To add on to what Lbhsbz said, adding a cooler between the compressor head and tank is a must. Many of the industrialish compressors come with that. I believe they call it an after cooler.

I added a cooler in that spot. It's just a trans cooler mounted in front of the compressor head pulley/fan, with an auto drain water separator plumbed after it, before the tank. It removes a ton of water. I see very little water in the tank, even in the summer in our humid climate.
 
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She wanted to strip our solid wood interior doors and it has poven to be nothing but a gigantic pain in the ass. Sand blast pots are easy.
My 18~19cfm, 80-gallon tank, two-stage Quincy keeps up with my TP Tools blast cabinet, but it cycles frequently. Pressure pots tend to use more volume of air.

As for stripping wood doors by sandblasting, I wouldn't recommend it. You're easily going to erode the grain out of the wood as well as remove paint.

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What are they coated with? I've had good luck stripping with this: Back to Nature | Environmentally Safe Strip Removers & Cleaners

Mostly the Ready Strip Plus and Multi-Strip. Slather it on; if it is really tough, cover it with plastic wrap to keep it "wet" for longer; and then strip it off. It has worked better than other "harsh chemical" stuff I tried and you don't have to worry about the fumes and it getting on you - although I still wear gloves.
 
I know what it can/will do to them as far as texture but was hoping to get away with distance, low psi and wide tip.
6 layers of Lead paint and crevases is the biggest problem.

Ive told her a couple times "just order some new doors" but it hasnt happend and they are original to the house.

One thing i didnt mention was there is an existing 80g tank sans elec motor that would get tied in as well
 
IMO the bigger tank just makes it run longer than necessary, either there is enough volume to keep up with demand or there isnt. Using one as the reciever and then cooling the output to the “dry” tank may be a good use case though. At work we have about 250 gallons of tanks from a 15hp unit. With a screw type compressor the idea is to run it full speed for better efficiency though
 
You lost me at my girlfriend wants to sandblast? I cannot fathom this is even a thing. :lmao::flipoff2: I have no opinion on the new ir stuff. I’m a Quincy guy.
X2 on Quincy. Awesome support and reliability on the ones at the plant that live a miserable life

Ingersol can suck it. Garbage product with even worse support these days. We just replaced our last one with a Quincy
 
A little late to the party, but I think you will be OK with the IR. I have at home an old 5hp 60gal 2 stage that I had at work that the contactor went out, replaced it with an aftermarket one, and works great. Probably from the late 90's.
Replaced it with a new IR (about 5 years ago), same specs. Added a 2nd one (identical specs) and a cooler/drier when we moved into our new building in 19. Runs multiple air tools and a spray booth simultaneously. Havent had any issues at all with either of them.
 
I have a 60 gallon 2 stage 5hp IR as well, it's around 6 or 7 years old now, has been perfectly fine.
 
Anybody with an Ingersoll Rand SS5 compressor needs to know about checking/torqueing the head bolts. They loosen off, then you blow the head gasket.

Copied from somewhere:

Yep, good call. Didn't think about checking it for straight.

I couldn't find torue specs for this so I just went by google. 156 inch lbs for 5/16 bolts (torqued to 50, then 100, then 156).

Edit: Well, I found two different recommended torque values for this thing. One place said 22 foot lbs, other is an amazon review that says 30.

This guy had the exact same problem as me, apparently it's "common" Here's the review, mostly so I can find it again.

Overall this compressor is a decent unit and it puts out good air volume when working properly, but it does have some issues that can be dealt with to make it better. Many complain that just after the warranty period the compressor runs but won't create air pressure in the tank. Mine did the same thing after only 16 months of use, probably only 10 hours of total running time, but of course it was beyond the warranty period as my installation was delayed after I made my purchase. A common cause of this compressor pump no longer creating tank pressure is from the valve plate gasket failing right between the two cylinders. When this happens the two pistons just pump air back and forth between the two cylinders rather than developing pressure and pumping air into the tank. The good news is that the valve plate gasket and the cylinder head gasket (you need to replace them both together) are both available from Amazon as "Ingersoll Rand 54429600 Valve Plate Gasket for Compressor Pump" and "Ingersoll Rand 54571617 Head Gasket for Air Compressors", and both were less than $40.00 combined when I purchased them early in 2015. I believe there are at least two reasons the valve plate gasket fails. The first is that the compressor pump is running at 920 rpm's, which is a bit on the high side and thus it creates more heat at the top of the cylinder and in the cylinder head. I also believe the cylinder head bolts lose their torque from these gaskets compressing over time due to the heating up and cooling down. My compressor pump got so hot that you could smell the paint baking if it ran more than six cycles in a row. I believe the combination of these to factors cause the valve plate gasket to fail prematurely, mine lost over an inch of gasket right between the two cylinders. The solution is to check the torque on the cylinder head bolts from time to time, but more important is to add a fan or two that will blow air over the cylinder head to help cool it while it is running. The fan blades on the driven pulley that drives the compressor pump only create airflow along the lower half of the cylinder, cool air is need most up at the top of the cylinder and the cylinder head. To replace these two gaskets, disconnect power to the compressor and then remove the large nut that holds the copper air tank tube to the cylinder head, use two wrenches, one to turn the nut and the other to hold the brass head adapter from turning. Then remove the air filter/silencer from the cylinder head by unscrewing it and remove the bolt that holds the belt guard bracket to the top of the cylinder head. Finally remove the six bolts that hold the cylinder head and the valve plate to the cylinder. Remove the cylinder head and then the valve plate and look for the problem area with the valve plate gasket. Clean all gasket residue from the top of the cylinder, both sides of the valve plate and the bottom of the cylinder head by first scraping with a gasket scraper and then cleaning with some solvent and a rag (lacquer thinner works well for a solvent). Now install the valve plate gasket followed by the valve plate followed by the head gasket and finally the cylinder head. Make sure you orient the valve gaskets, the valve plate and the cylinder head correctly. Install the six head gasket bolts and only finger tighten them. Now you need to begin torquing the cylinder head bolts a little at a time in a crisscross pattern beginning with the two center bolts then going to each opposite outside corner bolt and then the other two remaining outside corner bolts. Increase the torque by 5 foot lbs each time until you get up to 30 foot lbs of torque. Reinstall the belt guard bracket bolt and the large nut that holds the copper air tank tube to the cylinder head being very careful to not cross thread it, and use the two wrenches for this as you did when you removed the large nut. Screw the air filter/silencer back into the cylinder head and you are ready to turn the power back on and test to see if it pumps air again. After a few cycles of compressing air, check the torque on the head bolts and do so fairly often at first. Eventually the new gaskets will compress from the torque and the heating/cooling cycles and you should find the bolts will begin to hold torque. I hope this review and instructions on how to repair this compressor pump have been helpful.
 
bumping rather than starting a new thread... My 15 year old Kobalt finally fell apart. Not going to fix it...

Really don't want to spend $ on a new compressor, but need to for a paint project.

So any additional thoughts on the IR's, Quincy, Puma, etc?
 
Id be looking into a scroll or screw compressor for sandblasting.
 
I looked at Quincy's but cheaped out an picked up dewalt 80 gallon 5hp unit about 5 years ago. No regerts.
 
I’ve been pretty fortunate with a fire extinguisher contact that does building safeties. So they call for a replacement building suppression compressor after a decade or so of “service” but the darn things NEVER RUN.

This was a 20 Gallon siamese cylinder, I now have a 14 Gallon triple head. This triple easily runs over 15cfm at 120psi.

I am happy not to have a monster tank I would want to drain every time post-use.
 

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People drain tanks?

I don’t have anything other than my set up is 15 or 17 CFM at 150psi. I find it rather marginal for running a small blast pot.

Depending on location, there’s a lot of used old school compressors available relatively cheap. IMO, I would much rather have one of these slower turning and seemingly quieter, compressors, compared to the new high rpm loud stuff.

I picked up a surplus screw compressor for blasting this year, but the Control box got smashed. I’m still working on motivation to rebuild that.
 
People drain tanks?

I don’t have anything other than my set up is 15 or 17 CFM at 150psi. I find it rather marginal for running a small blast pot.

Depending on location, there’s a lot of used old school compressors available relatively cheap. IMO, I would much rather have one of these slower turning and seemingly quieter, compressors, compared to the new high rpm loud stuff.

I picked up a surplus screw compressor for blasting this year, but the Control box got smashed. I’m still working on motivation to rebuild that.

Older is better. I'm still running a 20+ year old 2 stage, 4 cylinder Emglo that I got for a couple hundred bucks. Tore it apart and replaced a few wear parts and then swapped the 3p motor for a really heavy 1p 5hp Baldor. Pretty sure that think will last my lifetime.


3 phase ~5hp compressors go for pennies on CL and FB because nobody has 3 phase at their home shops. You can pick up a nice 5 hp 1p motor on ebay for around $400 and have a $3000 compressor for under a grand. Can also run them off a VFD if you're so inclined.
 
5yr on a IR two stage from TSC. Runs often in a production environment. Mostly feeds the plasma cutter.

It burned up the pressure switch, otherwise been flawless.

I'd get a screw next time because nice and quiet.
 
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