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No real backstory per se, but how do we deal with what seems like a never ending problem with incarceration numbers? Serious question, although we can all agree that murderers should be euthanized, rapists castrated etc. Short of a 'kings empire' do we build more prisons, reduce sentences, create another alternative to jail time as punishment that's within reason and legal?

Just last night, I was home by 10:30 getting ready to turn in early from a long day. Out front of the house I noticed a car driving by slow enough to get my attention. I caught the light just right to see that it had a blue surgical mask stretched across the front plate. 2 people inside, and the driver looked young / sketchy. As they passed by I continued to watch, which led to me seeing the same mask (type) stretched across the rear plate. Hmm.

So either they're casing the next house to get burglarized on a warm Friday night or, they're buddies pulled a prank on him wondering if he'd get pulled over for a little convo with the popo. At any rate... it reminded me of how full the penal institutions are, how many criminal types lurk quietly among us, and how in the future are we going to incarcerate convicted criminals in increasing numbers as the population grows.


More prisons or not, is my question.
 
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That is what electric chair is for. Seriously. I am a proponent of death penalty. World doesn’t have enough resources to keep criminals around. I sure as heck would prefer my tax dollars going to, say education, or being reduced Instead of the care and feeding of criminals.

Not a one strike and your out, but if it is your third conviction that individual has shown they can’t or won’t follow societal rules. See the other thread about personal responsibility.

should people be “good” for the sake of being good, sure. But, for those that don’t choose that path then perhaps they will choose good if there is a substantial negative penalty for choosing otherwise.
 
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That is what electric chair is for. Seriously. I am a proponent of death penalty. World doesn’t have enough resources to keep criminals around. I sure as heck would prefer my tax dollars going to, say education, or being reduced Instead of the care and feeding of criminals.

Not a one strike and your out, but if it is your third conviction that individual has shown they can’t or won’t follow societal rules. See the other thread about personal responsibility.

should people be “good” for the sake of being good, sure. But, for those that don’t choose that path then perhaps they will choose good if there is a substantial negative penalty for choosing otherwise.
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^^ Exactly, you rack up enough convictions, your breathing rights get revoked. There is no good reason to feed and house pieces of shit for eternity. If the worst case scenario for you as a criminial is room and board for the rest of your life that's not much of a deterrent, is it? If the worst case scenario is you get caught a third time and you end up fucking dead you'd probably think a little harder about the choices you make.
 
Working in the field...more prisons is not the answer. Nor is education/rehabilitation behind the walls. The amount of repeat offenders is astonishing at the Federal level. I can only imagine the return rate at the county and state level with shorter sentences.

with that said I am not sure what the answer is as there are hundreds of thousands in the pipeline waiting their fate. The Federal system recently started executions again. Sentences aren’t getting any shorter. Costs are getting higher. Federal prisons are turning into suboxone/methedone clinics.
 
I've said for a long time that violent offenders should be executed (murder, rape child molesters etc.) Optional family involvement in the execution if the family of the victim so desires.

Property crimes get sent off to a self sustaining gulag and worked hard, no work no eat, got the dt's too fucking bad get your ass to work. Repeat your stay 3 times and you get the lifetime room award.

Smaller stuff like vandalism would be something like caning in front of the court house once a week.

All of the above get no visitors during their time and no contact with the outside.

Prisons would only be used to hold criminals until trial and perhaps one appeal if there is some doubt.

Damn, I just realized I didn't put in anything about ovens in there, I might have to give this some more thought.:flipoff2:
 
Shoot them. Bullets and burials is still cheaper than keeping them on death row or in prison for decades only for them to get loose and do it all over again. "Repeat Offender" should be a term that completely falls out of use in the future.
 
Express lane to death penalty for serious crimes - murder, child molester. You get one appeal then done. Shouldn't take more than 1 year after sentencing.

Other crimes you get one chance at a US prison. Work them hard, no luxuries.

Mess up a second time we ship you away to a foreign prison. Contract out prison services to foreign countries by lowest bidder. They can do whatever they want with the prisoner as long as we don't see them back until their sentence is up.
 
Punishment works. anyone that has raised a family or even a dog knows this. Fair, fully understandable punishment. Prison goes back to being the hell hole it used to be. No cell phone, nothing. Breaking rocks, picking trash under gun barrel with shoot to kill authority. Tough shit. Only problem is we will have to kill about 1,000 "lawyers" initially. Overbear - part of Sharia law works for us. Minor offenses, cut off the offending appendage.
 
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....Just last night, I was home by 10:30 getting ready to turn in early from a long day. Out front of the house I noticed a car driving by slow enough to get my attention. I caught the light just right to see that it had a blue surgical mask stretched across the front plate. 2 people inside, and the driver looked young / sketchy. As they passed by I continued to watch, which led to me seeing the same mask (type) stretched across the rear plate... Blah Blah...
​​​​​More prisons or not, is my question.
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Isn't there a law against covering up license plates? My question is why cater to those thugs instead of making a citizens arrest/defend the neighborhood? Shoulda used imagination to eliminate the 2 :flipoff2:
 
Splib said:
Punishment works. anyone that has raised a family or even a dog knows this. Fair, fully understandable punishment. Prison goes back to being the hell hole it used to be. No cell phone, nothing. Breaking rocks, picking trash under gun barrel with shoot to kill authority. Tough shit. Only problem is we will have to kill about 1,000 "lawyers" initially. Overbear - part of Sharia law works for us. Minor offenses, cut off the offending appendage.
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^ This.
Also, to me this is part of a larger conversation regarding how over populated we are. We need a purge. I thought the rona was going to do a better job but it fizzled out.
 
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Isn't there a law against covering up license plates? My question is why cater to those thugs instead of making a citizens arrest/defend the neighborhood? Shoulda used imagination to eliminate the 2 :flipoff2:
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Not serious. How do you stop the car ? How do you stop and detain TWO individuals ? " Hey !! Out of the car. Citizens arrest" "Hey, fuck you" Good way to get run over. Are you going to pull both them out of the car ? If you pull a weapon to enforce a "citizens arrest" almost anywhere but rural Wyoming, you are getting cuffed and spending at least $5k in legal ffee Fees ......
 
End the war on drugs and release everyone incarcerated for non-violent drug offenses. There are people doing life for possession of a plant that grows naturally in some places. Fuck everything about that.
 
Adding a little something to a large quantity of meth would be a good starting point. Wouldn't solve everything but it'd be interesting see the crime stats drop.
 
It'd never happen, but maybe we just pick a state, wall it off, and dump them in there. 3rd strike, in ya go. Air drop food, they're on their own.
 
Well, first off we have too many effing bleedingheart liberals to ever have actual punishment or hard work in prison. Look at AZ and Sheriff Joe - people scream cruel and unusual punishment. They should be breaking big rocks into little ones. Recidivism is high in areas with large numbers of prisons like CA. Whole families go to prison and end up being cellies, so many dads, sons, uncles, brothers.

Legalize drugs because nothing else has worked. Some people are just going to be drug addicts but they are already so just quit putting them in prison. This would reduce the number immediately. We have to work with the system we've got so I am against the death penalty because it costs too damn much with trial, appeals, housing for 20 years or more. LWOP is my preference.

Maybe if the idiots get their way and police are defunded then that will decrease the number in prison? I'm verging on Anarcho-Capitalism and NAP as I age but it's only a dream because people are too lazy to make it work. They want everything done for them instead of having to think and work things out between themselves.
 
det107 said:
Isn't there a law against covering up license plates? My question is why cater to those thugs instead of making a citizens arrest/defend the neighborhood? Shoulda used imagination to eliminate the 2 :flipoff2:
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Not sure if you're serious or not, but you can only invoke a citizens arrest if the perps are committing a felony. There is a distinction between committing and about to commit a felony... what exactly were the people in the car doing that warranted citizens arrest?
 
Elwenil said:
Shoot them. Bullets and burials is still cheaper than keeping them on death row or in prison for decades only for them to get loose and do it all over again. "Repeat Offender" should be a term that completely falls out of use in the future.
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its absolutely not cheaper to execute someone when all costs are considered.
 
Splib said:
Punishment works. anyone that has raised a family or even a dog knows this. Fair, fully understandable punishment. Prison goes back to being the hell hole it used to be. No cell phone, nothing. Breaking rocks, picking trash under gun barrel with shoot to kill authority. Tough shit. Only problem is we will have to kill about 1,000 "lawyers" initially. Overbear - part of Sharia law works for us. Minor offenses, cut off the offending appendage.
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Something around this idea would be neat:

 
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I'd say its a multifaceted problem that has no "magic key" to solve.
I think jails and prisons are full due to incarceration for victimless crimes. And no, an individual cannot be a victim of their own decisions. The penal system does not exist to protect a junky from that needle they put in their arm. Id argue that this is a contributor to our larger cultural issue of the denial of personal accountability, but that's another issue on another topic.
I think perpetrators of violent crimes have become emboldened over the last 10 to 15 years. I think the liklihood of being confronted by a "good guy with a gun" while committing a crime is at an all time low. So if the likelihood of victims being able to defend themselves is low, all the criminal has to weigh is the response time of the PD and the justice system.
A justice system where diversion programs are set up to keep anyone with a mental illness out of jails. A justice system where a child predator that molested a girl for 5 years from ages 4 to 8 receives a plea bargain and is sentenced to 4 years, eligible to be out in 2 with good behavior.
a justice system that is wielded as a political weapon in Kenosha and St Louis.
A justice system that releases or doesn't even incarcerate violent repeat career criminals like George Flloyd or Ricardo Munoz.

And another problem I see lies with policing. Not necessarily tactics, but mindset. Many police officers take an "us vs them" mentality. That wouldnt be an issue if all the police deal with were criminals, but they dont. And this approach to the public at large has really damaged faith in police as well as damaged to their reputation and trust in general. Which has done them no favor in gathering information from the public when it comes to solving crimes.

I think criminals are a good reflection of the vigilance of a culture. Our culture, in general, is not vigilant, but rather we wait on others to protect us. This combined with a justice system that pursues anything but justice, and our correctional institutions being nothing but colleges for career criminals; its really not surprising of the current state of things.

If the justice system reflects the morals and values of a culture, what does our justice system say about our respective states?
 
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