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Thefishguy77 said:
I have listened to his words when he was calling Trump everyone of the democrats talking points. Sorry I dont trust him 1 bit and someone hiring someone who called you one of the most notorious murders/war criminals in the last 100 years and then you decided to make him your #2 shows poor judgment, again…
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I struggle with this. Cuz politicians. It's what they do?
 
Vance was better, but I thought Waz did better than I expected. He probably did as good as he could with his/her records to defend.

Vance did miss a couple opportunities. For example, both Harris and Waz said that police died as a result of Jan 6. This has been debunked. Also, they keep saying “Trumps failure on Covid” but more people died under the current administration.
 
Provience said:
Trump probably does care, because he isn't a career politician
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That and why go through all the shit he's gone through if he doesn't care? I don't think anyone in our country's history has personally taken so much shit from the Federal government, plus shit from multiple states, multiple personal lawsuits, and two assassination attempts.
 
Motorcharge said:
That and why go through all the shit he's gone through if he doesn't care? I don't think anyone in our country's history has personally taken so much shit from the Federal government, plus shit from multiple states, multiple personal lawsuits, and two assassination attempts.
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he sure as hell isn't doing it for the money, or the fame.
 
Provience said:
Vance
Waltz

Career politicians

Harris
Biden

Career politicians

Trump, who is the worst debater of the 5, is only a politician as a hobby. TV personality and real estate whateverer by career
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flim flam is flim flam though.

I think TV personalities are dicks. I don't trust 'real estate moguls' and think they are dicks too.

Even the software people are flim flammy.

Ross Perot built an actual company, so not flim flam...

I'd just like someone whose hand has been in the dirt.

Walz is now flim flam, but he was maybe okay when he was teaching and coaching, but that is long ago.

Could JD's wife and Camel be sisters?
 
MigGunslinger said:
Vance is a populist of the conservative variety, that is useful to him as there is a huge anti-government anti-corporate sentiment to be tapped into on the right and the left.

We are witnessing the death of the small government conservative myth. The pipe dream of principled statesmen gaining power, reducing spending, and limiting the power of future government has died. Whatever changes the tea party and libertarian movement has made to conservatism has been eroded. We are now on a train barreling towards economic ruin and there is no incentive for anybody to try to stop it or slow it down because even saying that will make you unelectable.
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Vivek
 
Provience said:
Trump probably does care, because he isn't a career politician
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I think Trump cares about the country like Reagan did. Hell, you can go back 30+ years and Trump was saying the same things.

I also think if it was pure vanity, the bullet zipping through his ear would have made him walk away right then and there.
 
mongosd2 said:
Vance is killing it so far and Walz is blaming trump
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Vance: Kamala screwed up_____.
Walz: Trump screwed up_____.
Wash, rinse, repeat.

Vance should have saved some of those for when he brought out the good card. "Kamala has been in a position to fix_____ for 3 1/2 years." Especially as the moderators were harping on "The VP has the final say, the final word to the President before making decisions."

It got tired and old, quick. But there were some very fine talking points, on both sides. Failures of someone who either is or was in office are good to bring up, but, I also want to hear what the fuck you plan to do. Be it starting something, continuing something, changing something, ending something, ect.
 
FJC11 said:
In 4 years one of them will be running for President.
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It’s very possible that either of them will be president long before 4 years. I believe Waz was picked because he is in the same pocket as Biden. (China) So very feasible that they take out Kamala. Of course, Trump is already a target.
 
Ben Shapiro was really pleased with how Vance did.
 
Splib said:
Vivek
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Notice how Vivek is not in the running?

There are individuals that may meet my ideals, some of them can get into positions of power, Ron and Rand Paul for example, or at least adjacent to it like Vivek.

The major parties are playing hot potato with the national debt issue and hoping it blows up while the other party is in power. Partly because running on solving the issue and actually doing it would be nearly impossible and partly because whichever party it blows up on is going to lose the next few decades of elections.
 
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gt1guy said:
I think Trump cares about the country like Reagan did. Hell, you can go back 30+ years and Trump was saying the same things.

I also think if it was pure vanity, the bullet zipping through his ear would have made him walk away right then and there.
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At inception, Trump ground zero. After s debate or two and some interviews, the media hadn’t turned on him just yet. Remember? They laughed. For a short while was dubbed “ The blue collar billionaire “. :usa::usa::usa:

Edit. Also. Narrock. :flipoff2:
 
MigGunslinger said:
Notice how Vivek is not in the running?

There are individuals that may meet my ideals, some of them can get into positions of power, Ron and Rand Paul for example, or at least adjacent to it like Vivek.

The major parties are playing hot potato with the national debt issue and hoping it blows up while the other party is in power. Partly because running on solving the issue and actually doing it would be nearly impossible and partly because whichever party it blows up on is going to lose the next few decades of elections.
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There's been a major shift in power within the GOP this year. The RINOs have, at least for now, lost control of the party after Ronna McDaniel was outsted as chair and replaced with Michael Whatley and Trump's daughter in law. Couple that with the fact that a lot of the older RINOs are reaching the age where they won't run for office anymore or will just be dead sooner than later. The younger GOP in Congress for the most part don't seem to be nearly as corrupt and will be replacing the older in seniority sooner than later. It's way overdue but the older millenials and younger Gen X are finally starting to take control of the party and the contrast between them and the boomers that have run the party into the ground and done nothing for the last 35-40 years is stark.

I think we're seeing the complete opposite of your previous post. There's been a real rejection of the establishment within the GOP in the last few years that's really grown in the last 18 months. Is it perfect? Obviously not, but things are certainly heading in the right direction and this upcoming election is probably a real lynch pin, not just for the country, but for the GOP as well. If Trump wins I think the days of the GOP being controlled opposition are pretty much numbered.

You're also nuts if you think Vivek doesn't have a future in the party. Yeah, he dropped out this year to endorse Trump, but he's clearly going to have a role in the administration and the future is wide open for him. Josh Hawley is another one I'd keep an eye on. He's sharp, doesn't mince words, and gives zero fucks about calling people out on their bullshit when they testify in front of him in Congress.
 
Motorcharge said:
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You could very well be right about the future of the party. I agree that the move towards populism may drive more Republican electoral victories, and in turn result in more of the Republican agenda actually being pushed forward rather than being controlled opposition. My main issue with where the near future GOP is headed is that I don't think there is actually that much difference between the positions of the RINOS of the past and conservative populists, except them being apparently less eager to get us into resource wars. That's not nothing.

There are currently zero major parties that want to control spending, the libertarians immolated themselves in a retarded rainbow fire for the 2024 election.

I appreciate your more optimistic view though, and since I have no power to change anything on the Federal, State, or local level through my vote, maybe i'll just adopt that outlook.
 
Vivek was never going to actually beat Trump in the early primaries and dethrone him. I don’t think he really intended to. Voters got in the way. That’s why no Vivek at the top. No mystery or conspiracy.
 
Motorcharge said:
You're also nuts if you think Vivek doesn't have a future in the party. Yeah, he dropped out this year to endorse Trump, but he's clearly going to have a role in the administration and the future is wide open for him. Josh Hawley is another one I'd keep an eye on. He's sharp, doesn't mince words, and gives zero fucks about calling people out on their bullshit when they testify in front of him in Congress.
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He knew he didn't stand a chance in the primaries or general election this year with Trump running. He did a strategic retreat to set himself up for 2028 or 2032.
 
SanDiegoCJ said:
He knew he didn't stand a chance in the primaries or general election this year with Trump running. He did a strategic retreat to set himself up for 2028 or 2032.
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:beer::beer::beer:

Those are Idaho PBR drafts :flipoff2:
 
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