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Vaccination mandates on the horizon.

and honestly if the vaccine were like the MMR one where it's sanitizing to the body and makes one unable to spread it I would have probably already taken it. I see no reason why if i have antibodies (as of 4 months ago) and the vaccine will not stop me from getting it, and not stop me from spreading it why I should put something in my body that I'm not sure of. And it's easy to say that they only had mild symptoms because of the vaccine because there is no way to prove other wise. Just like there is no way to prove that someone who dies while vaccinated would not have died anyway vaxxed or not.
 
ScottRS said:
Which is why I think my issue is a born-loser as "I don't want to vax my kid". The only routes I see as possibly having merit are the medical privacy of a child (which I am only about 10% hopeful of support of) and contract violation (which I'm maybe 30% hopeful of). I'm financially OK with outright losing the money, as it was paid a while ago and we're OK, my objections are (I admit) pedantic, but I'm not OK with the idea of that you commit to something and the other side gets to change the terms at will and you're still stuck with the bill. I don't expect my kid to go for free, but I think right is right, if she doesn't go because they changed the rules late-on, she (we) should get refunded and do what we want with that someplace that respects rights.
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You keep saying terms and contract. Do you have the contract so you can read it?
It might say something along the lines of "if you can't make the trip for ANY reason, money is gone" or something like that.
Read it and/or post it and get feedback from others here as well.
 
Yota Up said:
You keep saying terms and contract. Do you have the contract so you can read it?
It might say something along the lines of "if you can't make the trip for ANY reason, money is gone" or something like that.
Read it and/or post it and get feedback from others here as well.
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How old is this kid? Like Yota said most class trips are you go or lose your money because if even 1 or 2 kids don't go then the trip isn't funded. On the other hand. They cannot change the terms of allowing you to go either. If you met all the terms when you paid then you should be able to go. But with covid honestly it has to be the most stupid but powerful excuse I have ever seen.
 
Void_of_Light said:
I'de ask politely for a refund, and if they refused I would become very vocal as I am sure you aren't the only one. They seem to really not like you bringing stuff like this up at school board meetings.
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This.
You paid for a trip and probably had to sign a form as the parent etc...then they changed the rules. They'd be stupid to not refund you based on you didn't sign off on your kids needing the jab initially.
Sucks for the kid, there's a lot of kids that won't get to go on trips anymore due to this BS.
 
I just spoke with a guy here at work. He is arguably one of the most valuable employees that we have here onsite. He is a tech, and his hands are in most everything. He's an electrical, programming, test and troubleshooting wizard. He is absolutely essential to our night vision business. And, he's vehemently opposed to getting the vaccine.
 
Just found out that my main customer contact has been put on ‘indefinite suspension’ over the mandate. Everyone is replaceable but at radically different costs, what is the value of 40+ years of experience?
 
rugger said:
I just spoke with a guy here at work. He is arguably one of the most valuable employees that we have here onsite. He is a tech, and his hands are in most everything. He's an electrical, programming, test and troubleshooting wizard. He is absolutely essential to our night vision business. And, he's vehemently opposed to getting the vaccine.
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Yup the adjustment is going to suck, but lots of people, outside ca, will be hanging their own sign.
 
rugger said:
Great read and example of a guy who has turned his back on vaccines.

Tech millionaire Steve Kirsch went from covid trial funder to misinformation superspreader | MIT Technology Review
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interesting quote in the article

Unfortunately, as Jeffrey Morris at UPenn points out, public health officials and scientists have done plenty to undermine their own authority, like claiming masks don’t work, downplaying the natural immunity conveyed by previous covid infections, and not doing enough public communication about vaccine safety surveillance systems.

”We don’t want to feed the anti-vaccine trolls, so we actively suppress clear scientific data. Now we’ve lost the high ground,” Morris told me.





all i ever wanted was unaltered, unbiased, unpolitical data. Getting that though would require going through all the “covid” deaths and figuring out if it was the main cause of death or if they died and just happen to have covid as well. this also assumes that all the tests were accurate in the first place.
 
husslr187 said:
interesting quote in the article

Unfortunately, as Jeffrey Morris at UPenn points out, public health officials and scientists have done plenty to undermine their own authority, like claiming masks don’t work, downplaying the natural immunity conveyed by previous covid infections, and not doing enough public communication about vaccine safety surveillance systems.

”We don’t want to feed the anti-vaccine trolls, so we actively suppress clear scientific data. Now we’ve lost the high ground,” Morris told me.





all i ever wanted was unaltered, unbiased, unpolitical data. Getting that though would require going through all the “covid” deaths and figuring out if it was the main cause of death or if they died and just happen to have covid as well. this also assumes that all the tests were accurate in the first place.
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Steve is funding a lot of research and other efforts. He’s on a mission.
 
0ilburner said:
Just found out that my main customer contact has been put on ‘indefinite suspension’ over the mandate. Everyone is replaceable but at radically different costs, what is the value of 40+ years of experience?
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Any chance you can hire him? At least make noise that he was the only reason you did business with them. Being stupid is finally about to hurt.
 
0ilburner said:
Just found out that my main customer contact has been put on ‘indefinite suspension’ over the mandate. Everyone is replaceable but at radically different costs, what is the value of 40+ years of experience?
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This is how everyone is getting around firing people or paying unemployment... "we didn't fire anyone... we just put them on indefinite, unpaid administrative leave." It's passive aggressive at best, immoral at worst.
 
rockota said:
This is how everyone is getting around firing people or paying unemployment... "we didn't fire anyone... we just put them on indefinite, unpaid administrative leave." It's passive aggressive at best, immoral at worst.
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I would continue coming to work until they had the cops escort me out. Should leave no question on whose decision it was.
 
Void_of_Light said:
I would continue coming to work until they had the cops escort me out. Should leave no question on whose decision it was.
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it won't change the result.... with the potential exception of being fired for trespassing.
 
Void_of_Light said:
Any chance you can hire him? At least make noise that he was the only reason you did business with them. Being stupid is finally about to hurt.
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I am already in the process of being dismissed for 'failure to comply' also. So actually, it's ~70 total years experience between the 2 of us that goes away.
 
Void_of_Light said:
Makes is awful hard to claim I abandoned my job which is what they are hoping for.
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I anticipate a lot of poorly written policies and "you're on leave" forms that protect the companies quite well.
 
rockota said:
I anticipate a lot of poorly written policies and "you're on leave" forms that protect the companies quite well.
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I anticipate a lot of those folks taking those policies and forms to court... and unemployment, which the employer has to pay for.
 
Fed contractor here and we were told they won't fire us, just put us on indefinite unpaid leave.. so my guess is that way you can't collect UE. Nope you aren't fired so UE doesn't apply.. :flipoff:
 
Grendel said:
I anticipate a lot of those folks taking those policies and forms to court... and unemployment, which the employer has to pay for.
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I believe a lot of people will TRY.

I also believe fed courts will strike them down quickly.... "lack of standing" will be used a LOT.
 
Wades_76_cj7 said:
Fed contractor here and we were told they won't fire us, just put us on indefinite unpaid leave.. so my guess is that way you can't collect UE. Nope you aren't fired so UE doesn't apply.. :flipoff:
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by design.
 
rockota said:
I believe a lot of people will TRY.

I also believe fed courts will strike them down quickly.... "lack of standing" will be used a LOT.
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It'll be really hard for the courts to use "lack of standing" in cases where the people suing are actively being adversely affected.

If they do use that, all the way to the Supreme Court and SCOTUS still says "lack of standing" then it's time to hit the reset button.
 
Folks here can get UE when laid off or furloughed.
 
MChat said:
It'll be really hard for the courts to use "lack of standing" in cases where the people suing are actively being adversely affected.

If they do use that, all the way to the Supreme Court and SCOTUS still says "lack of standing" then it's time to hit the reset button.
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in a world of honor, truth, trust... agree.

But we've seen the SCOTUS already wholesale decline to hear challenges to school mandates. We've seen SCOTUS use lack of standing in areas of direct standing (in the illegal election rule changes made by some states)...

The reality, the judicial branch is just as political as the rest.
 
Grendel said:
Here's MI:

www.michigan.gov

Can I collect unemployment benefits if I am on a leave of absence?

www.michigan.gov www.michigan.gov

(not even my state)
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Read that carefully

"Generally, yes. Under Executive Order 2020-24(2), you are considered unemployed and can collect benefits if you are on a new leave of absence because of being sick with or exposed to COVID-19, because you're in isolation or self-quarantine due to elevated risk or exposure to COVID-19, because you are caring with someone diagnosed to COVID-19, or because one of the recent government directives related to COVID-19 has created a new family care responsibility (e.g., you’re on a leave of absence to care for children who are off school). Note that under the executive order, you are not eligible for unemployment benefits if you were on a sick leave or receiving disability benefits before the order went into effect.
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doesn't address vax mandates or unpaid administrative leave at all.
 
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