Vaccination mandates on the horizon.

[grapehead]

But isn't that good thing though, really? Consider there are 2 types of people:
1. People like most people on irate, who have ambitions, drive, wants and desires and who can make up their own mind and decisions.
2. Everybody else, who is just floating through life until they die. No goals, no desire to improve their lives and don't want to do anything they don't absolutely have to, and certainly don't want to make any decisions because that will complicate their very simple lives. These are the people that go on the internet and ask if Halloween is still happening this year

There are waaaaay more #2 people out there. They way I see it, most (but not all) rules, laws, guidelines are for these people because they need it, otherwise they could not function and would probably be quite dangerous to the rest of us. So if the gov is using their emotions to keep them in check, I am all for it.

This has been my problem with dating. Women are all #2. Literally and figuratively.

 

[Fuzzydog]

To me the answer is to get the people from group #2 to think, even just a little bit, about things that are important. If they do so then there's a chance they'll act on thought instead of emotion and then all the power those that think they're in control have, disappears.

They do, it's just that the things that are important to them are not the same as what is important to you, so in your perception they aren't thinking about what is important.
Freedom of choice for example. You want it and will fight for it.
To them, making a choice is a burden and they will avoid it all costs. They absolutely want, actually need, someone else to make the decisions for them. We all know lots of people like that.
If you want them to think about it, and fight for it, then you are imposing your will on them and that is not right either.

 

[Fuzzydog]

100% this.

"let them be" say some of you, not realizing their voting and numbers are making YOUR life worse. "Freedom for all" until THEIR FREEDOM is pushing YOURS out.

Welcome to the dark side of democracy

 

[DWT]

This has been my problem with dating. Women are all #2. Literally and figuratively.

Keep casting that line and you'll catch a #1. My girlfriend is a solid #1 free thinker, she's bad ass.

 

[grapehead]

They do, it's just that the things that are important to them are not the same as what is important to you, so in your perception they aren't thinking about what is important.
Freedom of choice for example. You want it and will fight for it.
To them, making a choice is a burden and they will avoid it all costs. They absolutely want, actually need, someone else to make the decisions for them. We all know lots of people like that.
If you want them to think about it, and fight for it, then you are imposing your will on them and that is not right either.

i don't know, what do you want for dinner?

 

[TanTJJim]

They do, it's just that the things that are important to them are not the same as what is important to you, so in your perception they aren't thinking about what is important.
Freedom of choice for example. You want it and will fight for it.
To them, making a choice is a burden and they will avoid it all costs. They absolutely want, actually need, someone else to make the decisions for them. We all know lots of people like that.
If you want them to think about it, and fight for it, then you are imposing your will on them and that is not right either.

Jordan Peterson believes (as do I) that people make decisions based on emotions first then rationalize them later.

I've also said if you're not in control over your emotions (which we use to make decisions), then someone else is.

From this, we can see that whoever is in control of someone's emotions, may also be in control of their decisions.

In your instance of the people who don't want to make their own decisions it sounds like the government is now making decisions for them. That is control of will and you're absolutely correct, it is not right.

I prefer people to think, and be in control of their own emotions and thus their own decisions. That is free will, and that is what I fight for.

 

[Void_of_Light]

They do, it's just that the things that are important to them are not the same as what is important to you, so in your perception they aren't thinking about what is important.

Its not necessarily that they are not important. The problem is that they don't understand unintended consequences, and how dangerous allowing someone in the govt more power, even if you think whatever they are doing is a good idea.

Every thing that is happening right now was put in place because a bunch of useful idiots didn't have the imagination to see how it would be abused later on.

 

[ProjectTwin]

If you really wanna jump down a psychological hole, check this out.
It's been deleted from official sources to try and cover it up, but this archive is currently still online so you can read it.
Governments using emotional control measures to make people be more scared so they do as they are told.

Net Zero: principles for successful behaviour change initiatives

Interesting. The topic is influencing what we eat in the name of climate change.

"Achieving Net Zero requires significant behavioural change, including rapid and widespread adoption of new technologies, and a significant reduction in demand for some high-carbon activities such as flying and eating ruminant meat and dairy.1 To achieve such a transformation government will need to utilise all available policy levers and intervene at multiple levels. "

Also...


Midstream: ‘The back-eddy’
Create an enabling environment
4 - Make it the default where possible
5 - Make it easy

• remove hassle
• provide easy substitutes
• get the timing right

6 - Leverage social norms & visibility
7 - Make it affordable

 

[Ted_Kaczynski]

We got our open door town hall today on local procedures. We attest by answering multiple choice answers. Later supervisor does a visual check of vaccine card, they are mandated to not take a copy of it or the info in any way.

Sounds like it's going to be easy to game a fake card.

I'm still sticking my religious exemption thorne into them though.

 

[montrose818]

We got our open door town hall today on local procedures. We attest by answering multiple choice answers. Later supervisor does a visual check of vaccine card, they are mandated to not take a copy of it or the info in any way.

Sounds like it's going to be easy to game a fake card.

I'm still sticking my religious exemption thorne into them though.

if they keep moving forward, it will eventually be scanned like the drivers license when you buy booze or smokes

wonder if having a big cross tatted on my head will make a religious exemption easier??

 

[Animalmother]

100% this.

"let them be" say some of you, not realizing their voting and numbers are making YOUR life worse. "Freedom for all" until THEIR FREEDOM is pushing YOURS out.

Dont forget the mother fuckers cheated better last time.

 

[Fuzzydog]

100% this.

"let them be" say some of you, not realizing their voting and numbers are making YOUR life worse. "Freedom for all" until THEIR FREEDOM is pushing YOURS out.

Ooph. Now you are full on straight run skiing down that slippery slope. Sure sounds like you want them to vote the way YOU want them to vote. Aren't you then pushing THEIR freedom out?

 

[Ksand]

People from type 1 are controlling type 2. Until the controllers are taken care of, more and more type 2s will arise

 

[Animalmother]

Ooph. Now you are full on straight run skiing down that slippery slope. Sure sounds like you want them to vote the way YOU want them to vote. Aren't you then pushing THEIR freedom out?

Whats wrong with wanting them to vote the way we want? As long as they are still free to make their own choice.

The fuckers cheated anyways. I would be happy with a fair election.

 

[MChat]

But isn't that good thing though, really? Consider there are 2 types of people:
1. People like most people on irate, who have ambitions, drive, wants and desires and who can make up their own mind and decisions.
2. Everybody else, who is just floating through life until they die. No goals, no desire to improve their lives and don't want to do anything they don't absolutely have to, and certainly don't want to make any decisions because that will complicate their very simple lives. These are the people that go on the internet and ask if Halloween is still happening this year

There are waaaaay more #2 people out there. They way I see it, most (but not all) rules, laws, guidelines are for these people because they need it, otherwise they could not function and would probably be quite dangerous to the rest of us. So if the gov is using their emotions to keep them in check, I am all for it.

The problem is that the corrupt.gov is not content with just controlling the 2's; they want the 1's to conform and become more like the 2's. So while the corrupt.gov is using fear to "keep the 2's in check" (as you put it), they are also intentionally making the 2's fearful of the 1's ("oh, no these anti-vaxxers are going to make the controllavirus last forever!") eventually to the point where they will convince the 2's (who have the voting majority as uninformed and misinformed as they are) that the 1's need to be "put in camps" for the "safety of the rest of the population."

 

[montrose818]

Ooph. Now you are full on straight run skiing down that slippery slope. Sure sounds like you want them to vote the way YOU want them to vote. Aren't you then pushing THEIR freedom out?

Are you for real?

 

[Fuzzydog]

Whats wrong with wanting them to vote the way we want? As long as they are still free to make their own choice.

The fuckers cheated anyways. I would be happy with a fair election.

You are right, I didn't word that very well.

 

[Fuzzydog]

Are you for real?

Absolutely, but note I did correct myself, I did not word it very well. There is nothing wrong with wanting them to vote your way. The problem comes when you want to make them vote your way.

 

[Ted_Kaczynski]

if they keep moving forward, it will eventually be scanned like the drivers license when you buy booze or smokes

wonder if having a big cross tatted on my head will make a religious exemption easier??

I have one on my dick, wanna see it? It grows....

 

[ScottRS]

Since I'm not interested in starting another Covid thread...
Daughter has a middle-school trip coming up. It's paid-for a while ago, trip includes NY, DC, and some other stuff.
Today, they sent out a "your kid has to be vax'd to participate" email to all the parents involved.
To me, this is a contractual issue: we didn't agree to vax the kid when we signed up and paid for the trip. I'm 100% confident if we call and say "cancel it, we're not vax'ing the kid" they'll say "f-u we keep your money".
Any thoughts, advice, whatever, on arguing the contract angle, that they've changed the terms and we're entitled to back out? Or just pissing in the wind? I'm quite sure arguing over the safety or value of the vax is pointless, so I'm figuring the contract angle is the only likely one to have any teeth at all, and likely will cost me a lawyer who'll in turn cost me all the money I stand to get back. I'm down with that for precedent sake (if I have a decent chance of getting somewhere with that), but pointless is still pointless.

 

[Animalmother]

Since I'm not interested in starting another Covid thread...
Daughter has a middle-school trip coming up. It's paid-for a while ago, trip includes NY, DC, and some other stuff.
Today, they sent out a "your kid has to be vax'd to participate" email to all the parents involved.
To me, this is a contractual issue: we didn't agree to vax the kid when we signed up and paid for the trip. I'm 100% confident if we call and say "cancel it, we're not vax'ing the kid" they'll say "f-u we keep your money".
Any thoughts, advice, whatever, on arguing the contract angle, that they've changed the terms and we're entitled to back out? Or just pissing in the wind? I'm quite sure arguing over the safety or value of the vax is pointless, so I'm figuring the contract angle is the only likely one to have any teeth at all, and likely will cost me a lawyer who'll in turn cost me all the money I stand to get back. I'm down with that for precedent sake (if I have a decent chance of getting somewhere with that), but pointless is still pointless.

How are they verifying?

Quick story. Our company doesnt require the vax. A lot of customers do. A job came up and a big stink was made requiring anyone that steps foot on that job be vaxed. I kept my mouth shut and went to the job. No one ever checked.

 

[montrose818]

How are they verifying?

Quick story. Our company doesnt require the vax. A lot of customers do. A job came up and a big stink was made requiring anyone that steps foot on that job be vaxed. I kept my mouth shut and went to the job. No one ever checked.

not of the airports checked my covid test, international flight, unfriendly countries (us and russia). But thats not to say thry wont in the future.

 

[ScottRS]

How are they verifying?

Don't know. That's another thorny issue IMO, demanding medical info from a child, regardless of "pandemic" conditions, is not something I want to support or normalize.

 

[nahmus]

But is is what they want to support and normalize.

 

[Void_of_Light]

Since I'm not interested in starting another Covid thread...
Daughter has a middle-school trip coming up. It's paid-for a while ago, trip includes NY, DC, and some other stuff.
Today, they sent out a "your kid has to be vax'd to participate" email to all the parents involved.
To me, this is a contractual issue: we didn't agree to vax the kid when we signed up and paid for the trip. I'm 100% confident if we call and say "cancel it, we're not vax'ing the kid" they'll say "f-u we keep your money".
Any thoughts, advice, whatever, on arguing the contract angle, that they've changed the terms and we're entitled to back out? Or just pissing in the wind? I'm quite sure arguing over the safety or value of the vax is pointless, so I'm figuring the contract angle is the only likely one to have any teeth at all, and likely will cost me a lawyer who'll in turn cost me all the money I stand to get back. I'm down with that for precedent sake (if I have a decent chance of getting somewhere with that), but pointless is still pointless.

I'de ask politely for a refund, and if they refused I would become very vocal as I am sure you aren't the only one. They seem to really not like you bringing stuff like this up at school board meetings.

 

[ScottRS]

But is is what they want to support and normalize.

Which is why I think my issue is a born-loser as "I don't want to vax my kid". The only routes I see as possibly having merit are the medical privacy of a child (which I am only about 10% hopeful of support of) and contract violation (which I'm maybe 30% hopeful of). I'm financially OK with outright losing the money, as it was paid a while ago and we're OK, my objections are (I admit) pedantic, but I'm not OK with the idea of that you commit to something and the other side gets to change the terms at will and you're still stuck with the bill. I don't expect my kid to go for free, but I think right is right, if she doesn't go because they changed the rules late-on, she (we) should get refunded and do what we want with that someplace that respects rights.

 

[nahmus]

I know that this is pure fantasy but if someone wants to raise their kid as the opposite gender or no gender at all and have the privacy to do so without public consent/gov consent why can't you raise your kid as unvaxed. I still think that "identifies as vaccinated" should count. If it is proven in court that saying you feel you are something when the facts state that you are indeed something different then how you feel that would stop the whole trans movement.

Personally I don't care. Do whatever makes you happy. Sadly that is not the way it is anymore.

 

[Provience]

Since I'm not interested in starting another Covid thread...
Daughter has a middle-school trip coming up. It's paid-for a while ago, trip includes NY, DC, and some other stuff.
Today, they sent out a "your kid has to be vax'd to participate" email to all the parents involved.
To me, this is a contractual issue: we didn't agree to vax the kid when we signed up and paid for the trip. I'm 100% confident if we call and say "cancel it, we're not vax'ing the kid" they'll say "f-u we keep your money".
Any thoughts, advice, whatever, on arguing the contract angle, that they've changed the terms and we're entitled to back out? Or just pissing in the wind? I'm quite sure arguing over the safety or value of the vax is pointless, so I'm figuring the contract angle is the only likely one to have any teeth at all, and likely will cost me a lawyer who'll in turn cost me all the money I stand to get back. I'm down with that for precedent sake (if I have a decent chance of getting somewhere with that), but pointless is still pointless.

For kids, I 100% support false documents or outright lies. Otherwise, they will probably give you your money back.

Unless you kid is old enough to really understand, and at that point I'd let them decide and give as much information as possible on all sides about it.

 

[Provience]

How are they verifying?

Quick story. Our company doesnt require the vax. A lot of customers do. A job came up and a big stink was made requiring anyone that steps foot on that job be vaxed. I kept my mouth shut and went to the job. No one ever checked.

The default assumption is you are in compliance.

During our brief vaxed don't need masks in wa state, we were talking to a best buy employee who said "man, I can't believe how many people are unvaxxed, they are all still masked up"

 

[Provience]

I know that this is pure fantasy but if someone wants to raise their kid as the opposite gender or no gender at all and have the privacy to do so without public consent/gov consent why can't you raise your kid as unvaxed. I still think that "identifies as vaccinated" should count. If it is proven in court that saying you feel you are something when the facts state that you are indeed something different then how you feel that would stop the whole trans movement.

Personally I don't care. Do whatever makes you happy. Sadly that is not the way it is anymore.

Identify is simply saying yes when somebody asks. Fake card, no card and just saying yes, whatever. It's perfectly acceptable.