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TRUMP INDICTMENT

Right, so when did he declassify them? I'm guessing never. And now he's a private citizen he can't.

BTW, I don't agree with this power for POTUS no matter who.
The point is the president is a the final authority on classification, If he takes a doc, he doesn't have to go through a bureaucratic process to declassify it, Clinton took classified tapes, claimed them as personal, and a federal judge ruled that was just fine, No one appealed or disputed it so it is now case precedence. Any docs in Trump's possession that were taken while he was president are de facto declassified. Now he can't go back to the Whitehouse and take anything else. He didn't do anything different than Clinton, Bush, or Obama before him.
 
You are missing the point to where he states that they ARE classified and that he should not show the docs to the reporter and then does. lol

If Biden was on tape do this, you guys would be pissing your pants over it.

Hang em all!
 
You are missing the point to where he states that they ARE classified and that he should not show the docs to the reporter and then does. lol

If Biden was on tape do this, you guys would be pissing your pants over it.

Hang em all!

How many levels are classification are there for us government documents and at what level were the documents in question classified?
 
You are missing the point to where he states that they ARE classified and that he should not show the docs to the reporter and then does. lol

If Biden was on tape do this, you guys would be pissing your pants over it.

Hang em all!

What are the chances of Trump embellishing a little extra pizzazz when he was talking to the reporter.

I know, sounds stupid but it is Trump after all.
 
You are missing the point to where he states that they ARE classified and that he should not show the docs to the reporter and then does. lol

If Biden was on tape do this, you guys would be pissing your pants over it.

Hang em all!
I haven’t heard the tape in context and neither have you. They are already admitting there are ommissions to the tape transcript.
 
Man, you are really reaching. Like Inspector Gadget reaching! :lmao::lmao:
Not really reaching much in today’s clown world banana republic. These people have lied about Trump at every turn, excuse us if we don’t put it passed them to completely conjure up a tape recording.
 
How many levels are classification are there for us government documents and at what level were the documents in question classified?
Top Secret, Secret and Confidential, and it's being reported that all three types were confiscated from Trump. Again, WTF is he doing with those documents, maybe he was waiting for them to come out on audio book.
 
Top Secret, Secret and Confidential, and it's being reported that all three types were confiscated from Trump. Again, WTF is he doing with those documents, maybe he was waiting for them to come out on audio book.
It makes sense for someone like Trump to hold onto to them to show that Milley was the person that was planning for and wanted a military confrontation with Iran and Trump didn't. Trump could keep the docs to show Milley was/is lying and trying to make Trump look bad.

Unfortunately for Trump, that is illegal. lol So is showing them to his biographer since he doesn't have clearance. Also, surely the Pentagon has 856 different plans to confront Iran with military force so this isn't really news.

Who knows though. Trump exaggerates or embellishes so much anyway you can't really trust anything he says.

If they have him on audio, with the biographer to confirm it, he is toast.
 
I still think that Dersowitz is a flaming pile of crap, but he does make good points

Two Damning Paragraphs: Alan Dershowitz Dishes on Trump's Indictment​

By Jeff Charles | 8:45 PM on June 10, 2023
The opinions expressed by contributors are their own and do not necessarily represent the views of RedState.com.

The Justice Department’s indictment of former President Donald Trump is still all the rage on the airwaves and interwebs. Members of the chattering class have been chiming in, giving their two cents on the matter. Renowned Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz recently offered his opinion on the case during an appearance on Newsmax in which he indicated that Trump’s situation is precarious, but his fate isn’t necessarily sealed.



According to Dershowitz, the indictment against Donald Trump is partly serious and partly expected, as possessing classified material may not be damning due to potential defenses under the Presidential Records Act. However, Dershowitz considers two paragraphs in the indictment particularly damning, which include transcriptions of tape recordings where Trump acknowledges possessing and showing classified papers, suggesting a potential violation.

The law professor believes that while the overall charges are not significantly different from what others like Hillary Clinton could have been charged with, these two paragraphs present a serious case, and Trump’s lawyers or Trump himself will need to provide an explanation for sharing classified information with someone without security clearance.

When asked whether the indictment against Trump was damning, Dershowitz replied:

“Part of it is, part of it isn’t. The material about simply possessing classified material is not a damning indictment. We knew it was coming. The [Presidential] Records Act probably is at least a potential defense to that. There are two damning paragraphs, just two, paragraph 34 and paragraph 35, where they have tape recordings of the former President basically acknowledging that some of the papers that he possessed and showed to a writer — I’ll just read you — so ‘as President I could’ve declassified it. Now I can’t, you know, but this is still [a] secret.’ …
So, I think this is a serious indictment on these two charges. Everything else I think is exactly what we expected. There’s no difference between that and what Hillary Clinton and others have done, not enough to justify this. It doesn’t meet what I call the Richard Nixon standard, which was very clear obstruction of justice, destroying evidence, paying bribes. This is too close a case to bring against a man running for president against the incumbent president. The only exception to that are these two paragraphs, and we’re going to have to hear an explanation from Trump’s lawyers or from Trump as to how he can justify having shown, to somebody who doesn’t have security clearance, allegedly some information about a plan to attack Iran.”

In an example of how Trump’s lawyers might address the audio recording of the conversation, Dershowitz suggested that they “may claim [Trump] didn’t show it to [the other person], he just kind of waved it in front of him as part of his kind of bragging.”

As silly as it might sound, this just might be one of the best strategies Trump’s team could use. The recording was audio only, so it is not clear whether the former president actually had the other individual read the document, or just “waved it in front of him” as Dershowitz suggested. There is a significant difference between giving someone a document and having them read it and just brandishing it in front of them to show that he possessed the document. The government will have to prove to a jury that the former president actually showed the other person the classified contents in the papers.

Trump was informed earlier this week that he will be indicted by the Department of Justice (DOJ). The special counsel, Jack Smith, who was appointed by Attorney General Merrick Garland to investigate the former president, charged Trump with offenses related to “gathering, transmitting, or losing” national defense information. The charges reportedly include a violation of the US Code that prohibits such actions. There is also speculation about potential charges of false statements and obstruction of justice.


The charges being considered align with earlier reports that highlighted a recorded conversation between Trump and representatives of Mark Meadows, in which Trump allegedly mentioned a classified government document pertaining to an Iran invasion. Republicans criticized the timing of the indictment, as it appears that the DOJ intentionally delayed the process to ensure that the trial takes place after Trump possibly secures the Republican nomination and also to distract from the bribery scandal involving President Joe Biden.

If the government cannot prove that Trump revealed the contents of a classified document to an unauthorized individual, it might be difficult to win a conviction. The rest of the charges appear to be on the same level as Hillary Clinton’s email scandal, which did not result in so much as an indictment. Indeed, James Comey, who was director of the FBI at the time, publicly exonerated her.

Still, there are many “unknown unknowns” in this caper. Perhaps the DOJ has more damning evidence showing the former president engaged in worse misconduct. It’s also possible that they are throwing whatever they can against the wall and hoping something will stick. I suppose we will find out soon enough
 
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You are missing the point to where he states that they ARE classified and that he should not show the docs to the reporter and then does. lol

If Biden was on tape do this, you guys would be pissing your pants over it.

Hang em all!
This
 
Trump stepped on so much of his own shit on this indictment that hes going to have a hard time getting it of his shoes. Political defense isnt going to go well over a legal defense. But lets see what Trumps legal team come up with, if any of those attorneys stay with him.
 
Trump stepped on so much of his own shit on this indictment that hes going to have a hard time getting it of his shoes. Political defense isnt going to go well over a legal defense. But lets see what Trumps legal team come up with, if any of those attorneys stay with him.

Trump has done anything different than any other former president. This is a pure political hit job by the corrupt DC swamp. If you see it any different, you are nothing but a sheep in a flock of fools.
 
Having skimmed the indictment... he's fucked. That they have him on video flat out saying that he could've declassified them when he was POTUS but he didn't and now they have a problem is basically just open and shut guilty.

Yeah, they should absolutely go after Hillary and Biden too but that doesn't make Trump any less guilty here. And honestly, he's not being charged because he had the documents. He's being charged because he just blew them off for nearly a year. Biden had the documents and gave them up. What Hillary did is WAY worse than what Biden did but Hillary's attorneys covered for her where as Trump's aren't for him. Probably because of a long list of people who have crossed the Clintons who end up meeting untimely demises.
 
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