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Really think they won't put him behind bars?

They would never close schools and businesses over a cold either, right?

Would never force anyone to take injections, right?

Would never cheat in elections either, right?
We are no better than Ukraine, Russia, or Venezuela.

Hell, the mass gaslighting and subsequent round up and imprisonment of Jan 6th, was the test, and nobody did shit.
 
He’s worried. He’s out & about, putting on a good face but he’s worried.

And this is the problem with social media. You take one picture and infer all this shit about somebody’s life. And it’s never an accurate representation of what is actually going on. It’s the face they’re putting forward.

and you know this why? what special information do you have?
 
and you know this why? what special information do you have?
Are you fucking serious?

Because he was convicted of 34 felonies, from a political cabal that wants to put them in prison or dead (evidenced by the lethal force order to pick up some documents deemed by a bureaucrat to be improperly stored)

I hope you don’t have any social media. Facebook, Instagram, etc.. because that shit is all a lie too .
 
Really think they won't put him behind bars?

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Nope...house arrest is possible but not necessarily probable. Stiff fines and such are another matter.
However the issue of being a felon and the ramifications associated with same in particular where he has businesses are a whole 'nother matter. Takes a pardon to get past the stigma of being a felon and THAT requires admitting guilt, you think Trump would even consider taking a pardon under those circumstance? BTW he can't pardon himself from state crimes if he were elected, that would have to come from the Governor of NY...or GA for that matter if that comes to trial.
 
I asked a couple of highly intelligent lefty friends what they think about this. They both say Trump got what he deserved. Does anyone here have friends or family on the left who see this as an abuse of justice?

I really doubt anyone who already disliked him is going to change his opinion. And among those in the middle, I suspect most are very badly informed.

But I do think this circus is going to help Trump.
 

NEWS/COMMENTARY

‘Sunday morning sermonette’: Stephanopoulos asks do we want to be led ‘by a convicted felon?’​

June 2, 2024 | Kevin Haggerty

From the church of corporate media, ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos served up sanctimony in a “Sunday morning sermonette” on the former president’s conviction.

While leftists had not hesitated to smear former President Donald Trump as a criminal, leveling accusations of Russian collusion and treachery, Thursday’s verdict cleared the path for talking heads everywhere to repeat ad nauseam how the GOP leader was a convicted felon.

During the latest edition of “This Week,” Stephanopoulos, already faced with a lawsuit from the president over his framing of the E. Jean Carroll defamation case, had the green light to make a case against a second-term for Trump based solely on the outcome of the New York criminal case.

Dubbed a “Sunday morning sermonette,” by the Washington Examiner’s chief political correspondent Byron York, the onetime spokesperson to then-President Bill Clinton touched all the bases in his hubris-filled homily — from the Founding Fathers to the present and still pending allegations against Trump.

“In 1774, John Adams said ‘representative government and trial by jury are the heart and lungs of liberty.’ 250 years later, the heart and lungs of liberty are facing what may be the ultimate stress test,” opened the fear-mongering.

From there, Stephanopoulos had the institutions do his heavy lifting as he emphasized, “Twelve anonymous jurors rendered their verdict on Thursday finding Donald Trump guilty on all counts.”


“It’s the third time in the last two years that jurors have rendered verdicts against Trump,” he continued before linguistically flirting with ascribing crimes to the president for which he’d only been alleged. “Jurors have yet to consider charges against Trump for even more serious crimes: blocking the peaceful transfer of power; concealing classified documents; encouraging the filing of false electors.”




Earlier this year, the GOP leader’s attorneys had accused Stephanopoulos of taking such liberties to far when, during a debate with South Carolina Rep. Nancy Mace (R), he’d asserted that Trump had been found “liable for rape” when, according to the complaint, “the jury expressly found that Plaintiff (Trump) did not commit rape and, as demonstrated below, Defendant George Stephanopoulos was aware of the jury’s finding in this regard yet still falsely stated otherwise.”

“Since making such false, malicious and defamatory statements, many news and press outlets have continued to quote Stephanopoulos by wrongfully broadcasting that Plaintiff was found liable for rape,” the suit continued.


Of course, the host acted as arbiter of evidence later in the program while interviewing Trump attorney Will Scharf whom he readily pushed back against for suggesting their was any connection between the New York criminal trial and President Joe Biden’s administration.

This from the same pundit who’d made the bold leap that the Deep State not only existed but it was “packed with patriots,” as he had said on ABC’s “The View.”


“But for now, the New York jurors have already presented their fellow citizens with a choice,” wound down Stephanopoulos who posited before getting to the program, “Do we want to be represented, to be led, for the first time in history by a convicted felon? That answer will come in November.”

The “sermonette” in line with the collective narrative from the left did little to detract from public opinion as many weighed in with support for the president widely believed to have been railroaded in a political persecution.
 
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But I do think this circus is going to help Trump.
It should, if it doesn't the country is lost.

To clarify for the stupid people, that doesn't refer to Trump saving us it refers to the percentage of people that understand the path we are on is going to cost 99% of us untold freedom and any hope of personal wealth vs the percentage of people who don't get it.

The ruling class and their toys in Hollywood will be fine, you and I will not.
 
45 claims his campaign has received $400m in donations since the conviction
 

Yale Law professor says Trump is NOT a convicted felon yet, explains how ‘guilty’ verdict can be overturned before election​

by DBS

A law professor laid out an unbiased assessment of the “dangerous precedent” set by the guilty verdict handed down in former President Donald Trump’s hush-money case.

Yale Law Professor Jed Rubenfeld launched into the first episode of his show, “Straight Down the Middle” with a look at the verdict and its Constitutional implications. An expert expert on constitutional law and the First Amendment, Rubenfeld also delivered a brilliant and unbiased “next steps” breakdown for the former president’s legal team that potentially could help overturn the guilty verdict – and all before November’s election.

“Could Trump actually be put in jail? You bet he could,” Rubenfeld said after establishing that the presumptive 2024 Republican nominee can still run for office, even if behind bars.

“Each count of this 34-count indictment has a maximum penalty attached to it of four years. Well, that’s four times 34. That’s a maximum sentence, prison sentence of 136 years,” he explained, asking of Judge Juan Merchan, “Will he do that? Of course not. He won’t. But could he sentence him to some incarceration? Yes, he could. Will he? Nobody knows.”

He noted that between now and July 11, the date Merchan set for sentencing Trump, some things will likely happen.

“Trump’s team will ask for a judgment notwithstanding the verdict,” he said.

“They’ll ask for Judge Merchan to throw out the jury’s verdict and find Trump innocent despite the verdict, and Judge Merchan will turn that down,” Rubedfeld predicted. “Then there will be arguments about what the sentence should be, briefing on both sides, possibly even a hearing. Then on July 11th, sentencing will be announced. And at that point, that triggers the Trump team’s right to appeal.”

“To what court would they appeal?” the legal scholar continued.

“Well, they would appeal to New York’s appellate level court… And after the appellate court rules, then the case could go up to New York’s highest court, which is actually called the Court of Appeals… And after that, the case could go up to the Supreme Court,” Rubedfeld explained.

“And ultimately it might well go to the Supreme Court where finally we will have a definitive, conclusive ruling on whether the conviction was constitutional or not,” he said, noting “that could take years.”

This, Rubenfeld contended, is a big “problem.”

“Why is it a problem? It’s a problem because the election will have taken place and if this conviction is unlawful and unconstitutional, it could have an effect on that election,” he said.

“There are surveys, many polls in which a substantial number of American voters say they will not vote for Trump if he is convicted of a felony. Many independents say that, many Republicans even say that. If that’s true, an unlawful conviction in this case could interfere with and, in fact, decide the outcome of the next election of the next President of the United States,” Rubenfeld noted.

“Even if the conviction were reversed on appeal years later, that effect could not be undone in legal terms. That’s called irreparable harm. The irreparable harm, once again, is that a ‘convicted felon’ could affect the election, could decide the election.,” the professor illustrated. “And if so, then District Attorney Bragg and Judge Merchan will have unlawfully interfered with the election and decided the outcome of the next election through unconstitutional means. And no years-long appeal could have any effect on that.”

At this point, the author and constitutional expert “another avenue” that can be pursued.

“Well, is that where we are? So are we stuck with that possibility? Well, believe it or not, there is one other avenue that the Trump lawyers could pursue. They could sue in federal court and ask for an emergency temporary restraining order,” he said.

“Restraining order of what? Well, let me tell you something that you might not know. You’ve probably been reading in the press, if you’ve been reading about this case, that Trump is already a convicted felon: ‘The jury has convicted him. He’s a convicted felon.’ Well, guess what? That’s not true,” Rubenfeld declared.

“You’re not a convicted felon because of a jury verdict. You’re not convicted unless the judge enters a judgment of guilt against you. The judge still has the power, as I told you before, to throw out that verdict and enter a judgment of acquittal. You are not convicted until the judge enters that judgment of guilt,” he explained.

“Now in New York, it’s very likely that Judge Merchan will enter that judgment of guilt against Trump on the same day that he issued sentencing. That’d be July 11th,” he continued.

“So what would this federal case be about in this federal action? Trump would sue District Attorney Bragg and other state actors and ask the judge, the federal judge, for an emergency temporary restraining order halting Judge Merchan from entering that judgment of guilt until the federal courts have had an opportunity to review and rule on the serious constitutional arguments that exist here,” the professor laid out.

“Let me tell you why I think that might be a very important thing to happen. Because going after, criminally, a former president of the United States and somebody who is running for president now, that’s a very bad look for this country,” he added in an argument made by many in the last days, regardless of political bent.

“It’s an especially bad look when the folks bringing the case and the judge deciding it are members of the opposing political party. And it’s an even worse look when the crime is so unclear that the state is hiding the ball about what the actual charges are right up through the trial and, indeed, into the trial,” Rubenfeld said.

“And even now, we don’t know exactly what the jury found Trump guilty of,” he added, contending that “You better have the goods” and “not be pursuing some novel legal theory where you have to hide the ball. It’s not even clear what the charges are.”

“That could be a very dangerous precedent for this country. A very bad and dangerous precedent,” he warned.

“That’s why it’s so important for a federal court to review the constitutionality of this prosecution and decide, was it constitutional, was it not?” he went on, laying out a potential course of action for Trump’s lawyers.

“The only way to achieve that before the election takes place is for the Trump team to file an action in federal court and ask the federal court to temporarily hold off the entry of the judgment of guilt until the federal courts and maybe the Supreme Court itself can, on an emergency basis, adjudicate the likelihood of success of these constitutional arguments,” he detailed.

“If that doesn’t happen, then that irreparable harm danger that I mentioned before, well that’s where we are,” Rubenfeld said.”But if it does happen, the nation could get a ruling from the federal courts, even the Supreme Court of the United States, before the election takes place.”

“Maybe that’s what the nation needs and maybe that’s what the law requires here,” he concluded. “So if I were Trump’s lawyer, that’s probably what I would do.”
 
They have not been able to kill Trump yet?
Tinfoil on:

My feeling is he is worth more alive, the rats may feel if he suddenly has a suicide it may awaken something they are not ready for yet, a martyr so to speak. When they are ready it will be him and a few supreme court justice's all in short order.
 
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