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Trump’s Taxes

Given some of the assets I've heard, I don't buy that politicians are audited ever.

Taxes are way too easy to work around. Plus, I forget what the magic number is any more but "gifts" are tax free up to $10k(???) and don't need to be reported. For that matter, "gifts" aren't reported as taxes as the recipient at all... I tried it and was told I didn't have to do anything.

Newspapers spend a lot of money investigating finances.

Conservative think tanks and organizations will FOIA Democrat finances and vice-versa.

There are probably 100,000 people involved in scrutinizing just Federal finances. Opposing politicians. Political groups. Law firms.

The US rates very high on transparency of its Federal electred reps.
 
Article's author (and those eating it up) are dumb.

"“The Apprentice,” along with the licensing and endorsement deals that flowed from his expanding celebrity, brought Mr. Trump a total of $427.4 million, The Times’s analysis of the records found. He invested much of that in a collection of businesses, mostly golf courses, that in the years since have steadily devoured cash..."

And

"(T)he returns, by his own account, undercut his claims of financial acumen, showing that he is simply pouring more money into many businesses than he is taking out."

Uhh... no, that's not dumb. That's "How to keep my money, 101." Basic tax laws. Invest more into businesses than you take out = no tax liability. If paid on 1099 as a contractor for being on reality TV, take every penny of that and invest it into businesses, thereby avoiding the additional self-employment tax losses.

I don't know anybody out there volunteering to pay more taxes than they need to, and if you say you don't try to find out how to pay less in taxes every year, you are a liar.
 
The NYT story is a cringey hatchet job about how Trump is in a tightening vice and all his properties lose money.

They make themselves irrelevant.

How did they get all this information? I mean they can get confidential federal tax info on someone, but nobody knows what Obama did during college?

I'm not surprised of course
 
Exactly. I wish I could get away with only paying $750.

Find an efficient business model. Implement it. Take the deductions as allowed by the tax code.

Example: Get a fleet of 10 old Sprinters. They cost about $0.30/mile to operate. Issue them to contractors. Get contracts with brokers to keep them moving.

Now you can:

A: Write off every 1099 cent you paid your drivers.
B: Write off every cent you paid for getting the loads in the vans.
C: Write off the government-allowed mileage rate for those vehicles (last year was 58.5 cents, I think its 58 this year).


If those vans average 75,000 miles this year, you have a deduction of $435,000.
If you pay your drivers 50 cents per mile, you paid them and have a deduction of $375,000.
If you have load board subscriptions and factoring company contracts that cost $50,000/yr, deduct that, too.

Now you just deducted $860,000, right out of the gate... and it cost you $225,000 to run the vans, $375,000 to pay driver contractors, and $50,000 to keep them moving, making your total actual expenses $650,000.

I just gave you a simplified business model that will make you $210,000/year, tax-free. Anything above and beyond will require additional expenses/deductions to cover, like more miles = more money paid and more deductions.

I did this for a few years, and I was profitable while paying next to nothing in taxes. I got out because the headache of babysitting drivers was too hard on family life (along with a planned move across the country).
 
If I had his money I'd have the best tax attorney/accountant/financial manager I could find on my staff too. Rich guys can pay other guys to play the game for them, whooda thunk it

No shit. I used to point out to the libtards that if there was anything to be found, o'bama's weaponized IRS would have leaked it long ago. IMO the place is STILL infested with zero's people.

I gave up. Got tired of crickets. :smokin:
 
Buying a house in Georgetown then selling it in 10 years would do it alone.

I think it should be possible for Pols to get rich. But you have to understand that most elected officials are talented people who do meaningful work, and if you don't believe that you might as well stop reading now...

i stopped reading. I wish elected officials were talented. No such requirement, case in point look who the Dumbocrats have running for Prez.

I want talented people to be in government. Talented people are going to want money to pay for their children and put them in good schools, and live in safe neighborhoods.

I would like talented people to be in .gov, but most have better things to do, like run companies or coach little league.


By the time someone has put in enough time to have real power on the Armed Services Committee, in order to ensure that the US Navy is properly financing new forms of warships for future threats, you are working 60+ hours a week.

I would love to see some time cards for their work week, we should pay them by the hour. I’m sure some really put in hours, but like real work I’m sure their are slackers too.
 
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Article's author (and those eating it up) are dumb.

"“The Apprentice,” along with the licensing and endorsement deals that flowed from his expanding celebrity, brought Mr. Trump a total of $427.4 million, The Times’s analysis of the records found. He invested much of that in a collection of businesses, mostly golf courses, that in the years since have steadily devoured cash..."

And

"(T)he returns, by his own account, undercut his claims of financial acumen, showing that he is simply pouring more money into many businesses than he is taking out."

Uhh... no, that's not dumb. That's "How to keep my money, 101." Basic tax laws. Invest more into businesses than you take out = no tax liability. If paid on 1099 as a contractor for being on reality TV, take every penny of that and invest it into businesses, thereby avoiding the additional self-employment tax losses.

I don't know anybody out there volunteering to pay more taxes than they need to, and if you say you don't try to find out how to pay less in taxes every year, you are a liar.

this is 100% my retirement plan, sink all of my earnings/income above the taxable amount back into the business. that's how you grow value and exactly why that is a "tax favoured" way to spend your money :laughing:
 
Find an efficient business model. Implement it. Take the deductions as allowed by the tax code.

Example: Get a fleet of 10 old Sprinters. They cost about $0.30/mile to operate. Issue them to contractors. Get contracts with brokers to keep them moving.

Now you can:

A: Write off every 1099 cent you paid your drivers.
B: Write off every cent you paid for getting the loads in the vans.
C: Write off the government-allowed mileage rate for those vehicles (last year was 58.5 cents, I think its 58 this year).


If those vans average 75,000 miles this year, you have a deduction of $435,000.
If you pay your drivers 50 cents per mile, you paid them and have a deduction of $375,000.
If you have load board subscriptions and factoring company contracts that cost $50,000/yr, deduct that, too.

Now you just deducted $860,000, right out of the gate... and it cost you $225,000 to run the vans, $375,000 to pay driver contractors, and $50,000 to keep them moving, making your total actual expenses $650,000.

I just gave you a simplified business model that will make you $210,000/year, tax-free. Anything above and beyond will require additional expenses/deductions to cover, like more miles = more money paid and more deductions.

I did this for a few years, and I was profitable while paying next to nothing in taxes. I got out because the headache of babysitting drivers was too hard on family life (along with a planned move across the country).

Unless you worked for ONE company, which you implied you didn't:

Get contracts with brokers to keep them moving.

You are 'for hire' and cannot claim the standard mileage deduction. It doesn't matter that you're sub-10,001.

Just magically load 750,000 miles of LTL per year your first year?

Brokers don't give contracts. That's the point, they are middle-men. They take contracts and will run them themselves and put the dross leftovers on DAT.

Nobody is going to just load you up with contracts, and you won't get any unless you get a Contract Carrier Authority which now hooks you into a bunch of other obligations. The Authority itself is a considerable expense.

You are not going to be able to be picky with your freight. Your drivers aren't going to stick around for very long paying for their own hotels. You are not going to be able to stay in-state or home every night.

It sounds to me like you have some truck driving experience and looked at the sub-10,001 category and saw nothing but upsides with no CDL, DOT, IFTA. But it's not that easy. The industry likes to keep the roads flooded with cargo vans with low regulations, OOs who will sit and pick and choose freight means you are going to have a tough time loading even one van at a payable rate, much less 10 of them.

You will also have to have both a common and contract carrier authority to do what you're talking about.

You missed a few other things here that make me think you didn't run a cargo van company but I'm going to keep them to myself.

Source: I ran a contract carrier trucking company, Class 8.

Edit: It made me laugh. I can imagine the IRS getting a tax return claiming 750,000 miles of standard mileage deductions on 10 vehicles, lol.
 
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His tax records are finally seeing some daylight. Some light reading:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

I'm just surprised anyone would believe they actually have the Trump tax docs. In case you haven't heard, the media hasn't been exactly truthful, especially when it concerns President Trump. I doubt they have the real tax docs as I can tell you from working for a millionaire and he had a wife richer than him, they got money back from the IRS while I paid in.

I think we need to see why Obama has been paid by Netflix 150 million dollars, for what? Seems like a payoff to me.
 
Honestly I would be more interested in seeing the tax returns for all of the senate and congress, you know those folk who have had a .gov job for 20-50 years and somehow are millionaires... Those would be way more telling.

Yes I am sure he has the best lawyers money can buy on payroll using every tax code to save $, but at least his money is 'legit' in its earning. Like his tactics or not- they are prob by the book. You know the one those guys who got rich by having the .gov job wrote....

This x a million. What's Joe Biden's net worth and how.
 
Yeah. Ok. :rolleyes:

Get the fuck over it man. You guys are fuckin pathetic:homer:

Get over what? And who are “you guys”? There’s been talk about trumps tax returns since his first candidacy and now that there has been some info come to light I started a thread for the conversation. I’m sorry if some of it paints your messiah in a harsher light than you’d prefer to see. :rolleyes:
 
Get over what? And who are “you guys”? There’s been talk about trumps tax returns since his first candidacy and now that there has been some info come to light I started a thread for the conversation. I’m sorry if some of it paints your messiah in a harsher light than you’d prefer to see. :rolleyes:

He’s no “messiah” and the fact that you even use that term shows how absolutely pathetic you are.

You fuckin idiots have beat this horse so far beyond death that it’s beyond embarrassing.

Nothing is there. Every single time it comes up, you retards come along with why they’re “so important” and further show your complete lack of common sense and how taxes work.

On top of that, your blatant hypocrisy makes it that much clearer that your “side” is full of a bunch of intellectually dishonest pieces of shit.

But let go ahead and act like you guys aren’t purposely ignoring all the crooked shit going on with your party.
 
He’s no “messiah” and the fact that you even use that term shows how absolutely pathetic you are.

You fuckin idiots have beat this horse so far beyond death that it’s beyond embarrassing.

Nothing is there. Every single time it comes up, you retards come along with why they’re “so important” and further show your complete lack of common sense and how taxes work.

On top of that, your blatant hypocrisy makes it that much clearer that your “side” is full of a bunch of intellectually dishonest pieces of shit.

But let go ahead and act like you guys aren’t purposely ignoring all the crooked shit going on with your party.

I posted an article and added very little commentary along with it and you’re flipping out like an autistic toddler that’s been told no. Furthermore you’re under the impression that I’m a liberal which is not the case. I do believe that our current president is nothing more than a glorified snake oil salesman and there are lots of peckerwoods such as yourself that eat his bullshit up. Seeing past his rhetoric doesn’t make me a liberal. Biden is the same shit in a different pile.
 
Trump is a cult leader. He’s exempt from paying taxes. LOL
 
Unless you worked for ONE company, which you implied you didn't:

Get contracts with brokers to keep them moving.

You are 'for hire' and cannot claim the standard mileage deduction. It doesn't matter that you're sub-10,001.

Just magically load 750,000 miles of LTL per year your first year?

Brokers don't give contracts. That's the point, they are middle-men. They take contracts and will run them themselves and put the dross leftovers on DAT.

Nobody is going to just load you up with contracts, and you won't get any unless you get a Contract Carrier Authority which now hooks you into a bunch of other obligations. The Authority itself is a considerable expense.

You are not going to be able to be picky with your freight. Your drivers aren't going to stick around for very long paying for their own hotels. You are not going to be able to stay in-state or home every night.

It sounds to me like you have some truck driving experience and looked at the sub-10,001 category and saw nothing but upsides with no CDL, DOT, IFTA. But it's not that easy. The industry likes to keep the roads flooded with cargo vans with low regulations, OOs who will sit and pick and choose freight means you are going to have a tough time loading even one van at a payable rate, much less 10 of them.

You will also have to have both a common and contract carrier authority to do what you're talking about.

You missed a few other things here that make me think you didn't run a cargo van company but I'm going to keep them to myself.

Source: I ran a contract carrier trucking company, Class 8.

Edit: It made me laugh. I can imagine the IRS getting a tax return claiming 750,000 miles of standard mileage deductions on 10 vehicles, lol.

I didn't start with 10 vans, I started with one. I also found a couple things you obviously missed... I contracted directly to a primary/secondary broker. Yes, these such contracts exist. We were based in a border city with a constant flow of outbound freight; he would get direct broker and direct company shipping department calls for bids (many times he'd get a call from a company, then from a broker for the same load, obviously bid higher to the broker fishing to see how much in which he needed to respond to the initial company so they can't re-bid and farm it out). We did primarily automotive parts that missed the scheduled trucks out of El Paso, whether by customs delays or manufacturing delays, so there were outbound loads 6 days per week. Our lanes were mainly EL Paso to other border cities, DFW area, Michigan, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina. Occasionally, we'd get medical equipment loads to run a delivery route to various SoCal hospitals.

Utilizing a small-time primary/secondary broker, sure, I lost a cut, but he also operated as a factoring company, so I presented the bills when returning to town, and he immediately cut me a check. No waiting for companies to pay, he had that concern (and his wife was all over them for collections on day 30). He was on the hook for the load board subscriptions as well. And getting CCA isn't that big of an expense. Getting authority and maintaining everything it entails is less than $1,000 up-front, and about $500/yr afterward (if you DIY, paying a company to do it for you is costly and unnecessary). INSURANCE was the biggest expense, as liability only at $1 mil plus an inland marine cargo coverage rider at $100k was about $2800/yr for the first van, a 1997 E150. It went *up* as I grew, but went down in cost per unit over time as I become more established.

I kept the vans moving at a profitable rate, averaging $1.39/mile for all miles (loaded and deadhead).

Hotels? Have you even looked inside one of these vans? Insulate the back, install an adjustable-height flip-up bed, and your driver can live in the van without hotel expense. Install a diesel heater, and now you are open to temp-controlled loads in the winter (Bosch has computer circuit boards for ECUs that cross the border in El Paso and need to maintain 80* per contract heading to one of their facilities in SC, so that can always be bid higher). If we got a load that suddenly wasn't ready on time for us, we would get a night in a hotel thrown in as layover pay. If the bed is installed right (and you load the van with the shortest pallet in front), the driver can sleep in the bed *above* the freight.

And you need to look at tax laws again. As long as you begin at standard mileage rate and are class 1-2 only, you *can* use the standard mileage rate. You cannot flip flop, though, so if you were using actual expenses (which in class 8 you were), you cannot revert to standard. Just because *you* were restricted from doing it doesn't mean its not in the tax code for others to use.

Your username is fitting as fuck on this post.

I did it. Sold it off as a turn-key, and I moved into semi-retirement.
 
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I didn't start with 10 vans, I started with one. I also found a couple things you obviously missed... I contracted directly to a primary/secondary broker. Yes, these such contracts exist. We were based in a border city with a constant flow of outbound freight; he would get direct broker and direct company shipping department calls for bids (many times he'd get a call from a company, then from a broker for the same load, obviously bid higher to the broker fishing to see how much in which he needed to respond to the initial company so they can't re-bid and farm it out). We did primarily automotive parts that missed the scheduled trucks out of El Paso, whether by customs delays or manufacturing delays, so there were outbound loads 6 days per week. Our lanes were mainly EL Paso to other border cities, DFW area, Michigan, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina. Occasionally, we'd get medical equipment loads to run a delivery route to various SoCal hospitals.

Utilizing a small-time primary/secondary broker, sure, I lost a cut, but he also operated as a factoring company, so I presented the bills when returning to town, and he immediately cut me a check. No waiting for companies to pay, he had that concern (and his wife was all over them for collections on day 30). He was on the hook for the load board subscriptions as well. And getting CCA isn't that big of an expense. Getting authority and maintaining everything it entails is less than $1,000 up-front, and about $500/yr afterward (if you DIY, paying a company to do it for you is costly and unnecessary). INSURANCE was the biggest expense, as liability only at $1 mil plus an inland marine cargo coverage rider at $100k was about $2800/yr for the first van, a 1997 E150. It went *up* as I grew, but went down in cost per unit over time as I become more established.

I kept the vans moving at a profitable rate, averaging $1.39/mile for all miles (loaded and deadhead).

Hotels? Have you even looked inside one of these vans? Insulate the back, install an adjustable-height flip-up bed, and your driver can live in the van without hotel expense. Install a diesel heater, and now you are open to temp-controlled loads in the winter (Bosch has computer circuit boards for ECUs that cross the border in El Paso and need to maintain 80* per contract heading to one of their facilities in SC, so that can always be bid higher). If we got a load that suddenly wasn't ready on time for us, we would get a night in a hotel thrown in as layover pay. If the bed is installed right (and you load the van with the shortest pallet in front), the driver can sleep in the bed *above* the freight.

And you need to look at tax laws again. As long as you begin at standard mileage rate and are class 1-2 only, you *can* use the standard mileage rate. You cannot flip flop, though, so if you were using actual expenses (which in class 8 you were), you cannot revert to standard. Just because *you* were restricted from doing it doesn't mean its not in the tax code for others to use.

Your username is fitting as fuck on this post.

I did it. Sold it off as a turn-key, and I moved into semi-retirement.

We couldn't take the standard due to being 'for hire'. The idea of not flipping back to standard is the fact that you already claimed depreciation on it, whereas mileage deduction is basically forever. They're not going to let you do that b/c the depreciation deduction can get big.

The point is the Feds don't want you being a freight company and taking the mileage deduction, and the only way to do it is to not be a freight company. There's a bit of an area there for you, if you are basically a holding company for vans to be used by someone else (your broker). That and wrangling drivers.

We don't want the mileage deduction anyway at 6mpg loaded. It about evens out on fuel alone but then we also get the depreciation. But that is a 3 year limit and it's kind of setup to make you keep rotating tractors. That is another common trap.

Got out of it due to the drivers.
 
2016: "he's a great businessman and super rich and stuff Imma vote for him!"

2020: "the fact that he lied about being a billionaire and a great businessman doesn't matter because taxation is theft!"

Oh how the lemmings dance
 
2016: "he's a great businessman and super rich and stuff Imma vote for him!"

2020: "the fact that he lied about being a billionaire and a great businessman doesn't matter because taxation is theft!"

Oh how the lemmings dance

I don't think anyone said any of that.

does he have a Billion in assets? No idea. Don't really care.

has he lied? Dunno. Probably.

has he done a good job as POTUS.... i believe so.
 
I don't think anyone said any of that.

does he have a Billion in assets? No idea. Don't really care.

has he lied? Dunno. Probably.

has he done a good job as POTUS.... i believe so.

What has been the most important job he has done? Keep the SCOTUS out of the hands of the Liberals. Just imagine if Criminal Clinton had got these 3 picks. We would be fighting a war which I believe is coming if the Dems keep at it. Yes, Trump is a crude Truth teller, not an articulate LIAR that so many must prefer.

As far as the taxes, it's a chess game. Think about it. In order for Trump to refute the fake news, he'd have to produce real docs to prove otherwise. Therefore, I'm certain the NYT has manufactured another LIE!
 
Whether or not it is fake is irrelevant at this point. The "damage" has been done. Lefties will go ape shit over his alleged tax fraud and won't care if the real truth gets told. You guys all know how they are:rolleyes:
 
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