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Pook

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You will own nothing and be happy. Just forever being paying a lease on land you will never own that you sunk a huge portion of your income into buying a home on... that you won't be keeping.

We have huge amounts of land in Canada, much of it government owned., would be possible to open up land for people to buy a chunk and to build themselves a home. It wouldn't be in a 15 minute city though or in a high density area. They wouldn't want you having land a place to raise kids in nature or your own food.


Government of Canada lists federal lands for housing and new tool for builders - Canada.ca

Canada is facing a housing crisis that is impacting lives and communities across the country. We need to build more homes, faster, to get Canadians into homes that meet their needs, at prices they can afford.
www.canada.ca www.canada.ca

"Under the new plan, we will partner with the housing sector and communities to build homes on every site suitable for housing across the federal portfolio. Wherever possible, we will do it with a novel long-term lease, not a one-time sale, to ensure every site has affordable housing and public land stays public."
 
SLOWPOKE693 said:
Doesn't sound much different than paying property tax here in the US. No pay, your house and property go bye-bye.
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We pay property taxes.

This is like leasing a car, but your going to dump big $$$ into modifying it, then hoping later you can sell it for some $ plus someone else taking over the never ending lease payment.
 
Pook said:
We pay property taxes.

This is like leasing a car, but your going to dump big $$$ into modifying it, then hoping later you can sell it for some $ plus someone else taking over the never ending lease payment.
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You think people leasing these places are going to do any improvements or upkeep on them? :laughing:
 
Pook said:
We pay property taxes.

This is like leasing a car, but your going to dump big $$$ into modifying it, then hoping later you can sell it for some $ plus someone else taking over the never ending lease payment.
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Uh, how does that differ from property taxes? :confused:
 
FWIW the Forest Service does this in the US

they lease land, and the leasee then builds a cabin on it.
known as the Recreation Residence Program

you own the structure, but not the land
you pay an annual fee to lease the land. not sure of the amount but in the 1K-6K range annually I believe.
you still pay taxes on the structure, but not the land. yes you can sell the structure, but there are rules the new owner must abide by.
also the lease is 20 years. they do have the right to no renew them, but that rarely happens.

I think someone on this board is involved in one
Gladman?
 
Pook said:
"Under the new plan, we will partner with the housing sector and communities to build homes on every site suitable for housing across the federal portfolio. Wherever possible, we will do it with a novel long-term lease, not a one-time sale, to ensure every site has affordable housing and public land stays public."
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Give or take a 100 year lease with someone living on it. :shaking:

Public land you can't access isn't really public.
 

  • The 56 properties listed in the Canada Public Land Bank represent:
    • a total of 305 hectares of land
    • size of approximately 2,000 hockey rinks or almost 400 Canadian Football League football fields
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Yeah? How many bananas is that?

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WLDWUN said:
FWIW the Forest Service does this in the US

they lease land, and the leasee then builds a cabin on it.
known as the Recreation Residence Program

you own the structure, but not the land
you pay an annual fee to lease the land. not sure of the amount but in the 1K-6K range annually I believe.
you still pay taxes on the structure, but not the land. yes you can sell the structure, but there are rules the new owner must abide by.
also the lease is 20 years. they do have the right to no renew them, but that rarely happens.

I think someone on this board is involved in one
Gladman?
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Diesel Dave or whatever the bearded tow truck guy is named does too I believe.
 
Already have 100 year leases in U.S.A.. I know where several cabins up a long and lonely canyon are , that are just that sitting on federal land and have 100 year lease. Had to do water line and septic repairs on more than one. Nice lil places. Families that I got the pleasure of meeting. Were all really cool people. Lot of historic stories run with said cabins even.:usa:
 
There are homes in Colorado Springs that are on property you only get to lease. Leasing to build a cabin in the forest is easier to sell (considering target demographics) than leased land for a home i the suburbs (completely different demographics).

The homes are 1/3 the price of other homes, the question is always "Where's the equity proposition?"
 
Chadwick said:
Already have 100 year leases in U.S.A.. I know where several cabins up a long and lonely canyon are , that are just that sitting on federal land and have 100 year lease. Had to do water line and septic repairs on more than one. Nice lil places. Families that I got the pleasure of meeting. Were all really cool people. Lot of historic stories run with said cabins even.:usa:
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If I understand right the only way you have property In Hawaii is leasing the land
 
WLDWUN said:
FWIW the Forest Service does this in the US

they lease land, and the leasee then builds a cabin on it.
known as the Recreation Residence Program

you own the structure, but not the land
you pay an annual fee to lease the land. not sure of the amount but in the 1K-6K range annually I believe.
you still pay taxes on the structure, but not the land. yes you can sell the structure, but there are rules the new owner must abide by.
also the lease is 20 years. they do have the right to no renew them, but that rarely happens.
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I looked into a couple of those briefly. IIRC you couldnt live in them. Only X number of days per year. And they were kind like an HOA
 
We have crown land lease stuff out in the woods as well... what we are talking here is federal land in the city where they will building townhouses and apartments etc...intermingled right in with owned properties.

Trudeau is part of WEF... the whole you will own nothing and be happy plan.
 
Motorcharge said:
Maybe there wouldn't be a housing crisis if they stopped importing half of India.
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This. So much fucking this. They need to deport at least a million of those brown pieces of shit tomorrow, and another million the next day, so that this country can go back to not being filled with shit in the streets.
 
Pook said:
We have crown land lease stuff out in the woods as well... what we are talking here is federal land in the city where they will building townhouses and apartments etc...intermingled right in with owned properties.

Trudeau is part of WEF... the whole you will own nothing and be happy plan.
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Yep.

They're building one here. Took a perfectly good park and started stacking up prefab modulars to make a 3 story, 50 unit apartment complex strictly for the homeless. Zero public input, zero consideration for anyone that lives around it. :mad3:
 
If any of yall remember the 6 million dollar man, he “owns” a little bit of the Colorado river in pickle city. The government is taking it back slowly, they are thieves and eventually will have it all if we dont speak 🗣️ p.
 
I'm not seeing it as that big of a problem. IMHO (and this is a very uneducated on the matter opinion), there are some people in society that will never own a place, and probably shouldn't. These places will serve those - better than them living in a tent in a city park, no?

And at the same time we have fully employed, educated people lining up to build $700,000 houses on an Indian reserve just down the street from both of us (me and the OP), on land they will never own. They are leases but not sure how long. Regardless it just seems like a really bad idea to me.
So if you are lower income, can't afford to buy land and house, but can afford to buy house only... Doesn't matter if the landlord is a private individual, corporation, Indian band, municipality or fed gov.
 
Fuzzydog said:
I'm not seeing it as that big of a problem. IMHO (and this is a very uneducated on the matter opinion), there are some people in society that will never own a place, and probably shouldn't. These places will serve those - better than them living in a tent in a city park, no?

And at the same time we have fully employed, educated people lining up to build $700,000 houses on an Indian reserve just down the street from both of us (me and the OP), on land they will never own. They are leases but not sure how long. Regardless it just seems like a really bad idea to me.
So if you are lower income, can't afford to buy land and house, but can afford to buy house only... Doesn't matter if the landlord is a private individual, corporation, Indian band, municipality or fed gov.
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The problem is our government has a bad habit of changing their minds about things and screwing over people. They'll have the lease pulled out before its term is up and be hung out to dry.
 
Fuzzydog said:
I'm not seeing it as that big of a problem. IMHO (and this is a very uneducated on the matter opinion), there are some people in society that will never own a place, and probably shouldn't. These places will serve those - better than them living in a tent in a city park, no?

And at the same time we have fully employed, educated people lining up to build $700,000 houses on an Indian reserve just down the street from both of us (me and the OP), on land they will never own. They are leases but not sure how long. Regardless it just seems like a really bad idea to me.
So if you are lower income, can't afford to buy land and house, but can afford to buy house only... Doesn't matter if the landlord is a private individual, corporation, Indian band, municipality or fed gov.
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Do you really want several hundred of those same people that turn everywhere they "camp" into a wasteland of garbage and filth, moving next door to you? How about next door to your parents? All on your dime?

There's a thousand towns across this country where housing isn't at a premium. If you can't afford to live here, fucking move - go somewhere where your skillset can put a roof over your head.
But they won't. It's easier for them to squat on public land and whine that there's no housing, and that someone needs to fix it for them, so they don't have to take responsibility for their own life. And as long as the rest of society keeps giving them handouts and cleaning up after them, nothing is going to change.

They're parasites, not people at this point. Let them reap the consequences of their choices.
 
Beast said:
Do you really want several hundred of those same people that turn everywhere they "camp" into a wasteland of garbage and filth, moving next door to you? How about next door to your parents? All on your dime?

There's a thousand towns across this country where housing isn't at a premium. If you can't afford to live here, fucking move - go somewhere where your skillset can put a roof over your head.
But they won't. It's easier for them to squat on public land and whine that there's no housing, and that someone needs to fix it for them, so they don't have to take responsibility for their own life. And as long as the rest of society keeps giving them handouts and cleaning up after them, nothing is going to change.

They're parasites, not people at this point. Let them reap the consequences of their choices.
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You aren't wrong, and no, I would not want this in my hood, although it is sounding like I might have to deal with it soon. City is decommissioning a water tank in my hood and rumor has it they are building social housing there - it is a very large lot and the surveyors already did their thing.
Pretty sure that is a situation that is going to land me in jail
 
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