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I’d like to see the actual numbers

How many actually died from Covid alone ?

How many died testing positive for Covid, but died from something else and were counted as “Covid deaths” ?
 
Of course they deleted it. Just like both Fauci and the WHO said masks were pointless but due to political pressure they reversed themselves.
 
I’d like to see the actual numbers

How many actually died from Covid alone ?

How many died testing positive for Covid, but died from something else and were counted as “Covid deaths” ?

It doesn’t matter. They’ll play around with that number to get the desired result. The point is, overall deaths did not increase across the board.
 
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After retrieving data on the CDC website, Briand compiled a graph representing percentages of total deaths per age category from early February to early September, which includes the period from before COVID-19 was detected in the U.S. to after infection rates soared.

Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.
When Briand looked at the 2020 data during that seasonal period, COVID-19-related deaths exceeded deaths from heart diseases. This was highly unusual since heart disease has always prevailed as the leading cause of deaths. However, when taking a closer look at the death numbers, she noted something strange. As Briand compared the number of deaths per cause during that period in 2020 to 2018, she noticed that instead of the expected drastic increase across all causes, there was a significant decrease in deaths due to heart disease. Even more surprising, as seen in the graph below, this sudden decline in deaths is observed for all other causes.

This trend is completely contrary to the pattern observed in all previous years. Interestingly, as depicted in the table below, the total decrease in deaths by other causes almost exactly equals the increase in deaths by COVID-19. This suggests, according to Briand, that the COVID-19 death toll is misleading. Briand believes that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may instead be recategorized as being due to COVID-19.

The CDC classified all deaths that are related to COVID-19 simply as COVID-19 deaths. Even patients dying from other underlying diseases but are infected with COVID-19 count as COVID-19 deaths. This is likely the main explanation as to why COVID-19 deaths drastically increased while deaths by all other diseases experienced a significant decrease.​

Though making clear the need for further research, the article was being used to support false and dangerous inaccuracies about the impact of the pandemic. We regret that this article may have contributed to the spread of misinformation about COVID-19.

— JHU News-Letter (@JHUNewsLetter) November 26, 2020

just copying and pasting the parts that the red state quoted from the JHU publication, and the JHU reason for taking it down.

obvious answer is OF COURSE and This is what we've been saying for a long time.
 
I don't like how political science has gotten. Just accurately represent the data. Anytime you're dealing with a novel disease you're fucking winging it on the fly. All you can do is make the best calls you can make at the time given the current data available. But don't fudge it after the fact. If you made a mistake, try to learn from it and get better.
 
I’d like to see the actual numbers

How many actually died from Covid alone ?

How many died testing positive for Covid, but died from something else and were counted as “Covid deaths” ?

if you really want to know, you'll have to do a bit of digging on the CDC website, but go ahead and take the CDC at their word that ~6% were Covid Alone deaths because that is probably close to accurate.
 
https://usafacts.org/articles/top-causes-death-united-states-heart-disease-cancer-and-covid-19/

The data also includes deaths attributed to pneumonia or influenza. According to the CDC, deaths caused by COVID-19 might be misclassified as pneumonia or influenza deaths in the death certificates. For that reason, the number of deaths caused by COVID-19 is likely higher than the confirmed data indicates.

:lmao: i find that notion HIGHLY suspect due to the $$ incentive to list CV19 rather than influenza


but also fun. 2018 CDC heart disease mortality (most current year available)

  • Number of deaths: 655,381
  • Deaths per 100,000 population: 200.3
  • Cause of death rank: 1

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/heart-disease.htm

and according to the USA facts link above, so far in 2020 Feb-Nov Heart Disease Mortality is estimated 518,495, or rather about 20% lower this year. pretty good amount and likely statistical anomaly?


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/cancer.htm
  • Number of deaths: 599,274
  • Deaths per 100,000 population: 183.2
  • Cause of death rank: 2

cancer 2018 just shy 600k deaths 2018

460,040 deaths estimated Feb-Nov 2020, or about 25% lower this year than 2018

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/flu.htm

influenza/pneumonia 2018

  • Number of deaths: 59,120
  • Deaths per 100,000 population: 18.1
  • Cause of death rank: 8

Influenza alone is currently been 0 deaths estimated since about April

the combined group is up to 40,376 estimated for Fed-Nov which is about 30% down from 2018, but this one seems more highly variable across the years and 2018 was a bad flu season.


stroke

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/stroke.htm

  • Number of deaths: 147,810
  • Deaths per 100,000 population: 45.2
  • Cause of death rank: 5

and we are at 119,917 deaths due to stroke estimated. about a 20% drop





so, like has always been said, it will be a few years before we can get a good picture of what really happened.
 
https://usafacts.org/articles/top-causes-death-united-states-heart-disease-cancer-and-covid-19/



:lmao: i find that notion HIGHLY suspect due to the $$ incentive to list CV19 rather than influenza


but also fun. 2018 CDC heart disease mortality (most current year available)



https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/heart-disease.htm

and according to the USA facts link above, so far in 2020 Feb-Nov Heart Disease Mortality is estimated 518,495, or rather about 20% lower this year. pretty good amount and likely statistical anomaly?


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/cancer.htm


cancer 2018 just shy 600k deaths 2018

460,040 deaths estimated Feb-Nov 2020, or about 25% lower this year than 2018

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/flu.htm

influenza/pneumonia 2018



Influenza alone is currently been 0 deaths estimated since about April

the combined group is up to 40,376 estimated for Fed-Nov which is about 30% down from 2018, but this one seems more highly variable across the years and 2018 was a bad flu season.


stroke

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/stroke.htm



and we are at 119,917 deaths due to stroke estimated. about a 20% drop





so, like has always been said, it will be a few years before we can get a good picture of what really happened.

The picture looks pretty clear right now.
 
It doesn’t matter. They’ll play around with that number to get the desired result. The point is, overall deaths did not increase across the board.

Truth. We have had 18 cases at my work. If you run the numbers and peg it out percentage wise, that is 250 cases per 100,000 people.

It is a way to "inflate" the numbers and make it sound more scary.
 
I’d like to see the actual numbers

How many actually died from Covid alone ?

How many died testing positive for Covid, but died from something else and were counted as “Covid deaths” ?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

2020 (est) deaths from all causes
2,579,548

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

2018 deaths from all causes

Number of deaths: 2,839,205

again, 2018 wasn't a great year and our 2020 numbers will increase from the estimates they have currently, but i don't remember any screaming about stacking bodies in the streets in 2018 and mortuaries being overwhelmed, despite a couple hundred thousand more deaths. :confused:

i really am genuinely interested in seeing what the excess deaths stuff stacks up, as i do believe "accidental/deaths of despair" are significantly higher this year.



it looks like that first link, if you scroll down, shows the co-morbidiitieis for COVID19
 
Anyobe who has actually casually looked at the data would have been able to draw these conclusions themselves. It is no different from a normal respiratory disease, how people think its going to magically start killing healthy people is beyond me. As I've said since the beginning of this shit show the 5 year rolling average will have no change whatsoever as the rona kills the same people flu, phenomena, bronchitis, common cold ect would kill.
 
They need to convince people to get the vaccine some way...

Otherwise their Evil Plans will fail

this was ignored by the US media largely in Nov/Dec 2019 because impeachment was going on, and continued ignored in Jan by congress because impeachment was going on. Then it turned out to be a great chance to damage the 1 leg trump couldn't be knocked off, the economy. of course, they were also surprised to catch such little resistance to the first $3.5Trillion dollar unfunded emergency stimulus. but it had to continue

well, they generally got the election to swing their way as the economy went down so they could bash it and also make up a bunch of nonsense to spin some narrative of covid mishandle, so it would seem that it would go away after the election.

why didn't it?

oh, right, because there is an impasse now for another $3.5Trillion in stimulus. the one that was supposed to have been compromised and passed just before the election. now there is no reason to not just wait until the new president, as that makes their job easy.

So keep the pressure on! keep the lockdowns tight! people need to feel how real this is! don't let them forget, we have $$$ on the line!

edit: i don't think they are as concerned about the vaccine as they want people to believe
 
It’s a giant fucking shell game and every single country and population center and ethnic group across all walks of life on the entire planet is falling for it.

????

:confused:

Actually, two nations that I keep a Wuhan Bat eye on have either not enacted controls or are incapable of effecting controls. And they have arguably better results than neighboring nations or many high tech wealthy nations. Sweden and India. And yet a third data point to consider is New Zealand where total shut off creating isolation has worked very effectively.

Blanket assertions and headline grabbing nonsense is just that. Bad data, bad results. It will take years to sort this shit out.
 
????

:confused:

Actually, two nations that I keep a Wuhan Bat eye on have either not enacted controls or are incapable of effecting controls. And they have arguably better results than neighboring nations or many high tech wealthy nations. Sweden and India. And yet a third data point to consider is New Zealand where total shut off creating isolation has worked very effectively.

Blanket assertions and headline grabbing nonsense is just that. Bad data, bad results. It will take years to sort this shit out.

the biggest problem is, sweden and india will "open up" with everybody else when travel resumes and NZ will be fucking stunted.
 
This is something I have been curious about. Has the death rate gone up for 2020, or is it in line with previous years?
 
This is something I have been curious about. Has the death rate gone up for 2020, or is it in line with previous years?

while we won't have official numbers, we are on pace it SEEMS based on what we've got that this will be overall inline with averages on the high side.

obviously nothing is ever 100%
 
well, now when the data finally does work its way out they can just memory hole the retraction of the study and point out that they were "not involved in any of that misinformation, see our study published way back then"

commoncold-19™
possibly actually just another common cold
 
????

:confused:

Actually, two nations that I keep a Wuhan Bat eye on have either not enacted controls or are incapable of effecting controls. And they have arguably better results than neighboring nations or many high tech wealthy nations. Sweden and India. And yet a third data point to consider is New Zealand where total shut off creating isolation has worked very effectively.

Blanket assertions and headline grabbing nonsense is just that. Bad data, bad results. It will take years to sort this shit out.

Where sweden and NZ may report numbers in a similar fashion to the US, any numbers you see out of India are NOT accurate for comparison purposes. The govt there has no control of anything serious there. I have a couple friends that travel there for work and they have painted a very dark picture of things over there. People die and are buried by the family or large congregate graves, none of it is ever reported to any govt official. Any India stats are not accurate. Kinda like China suddenly has no infections, zero, none. Yeah, right.
 
It doesn’t matter. They’ll play around with that number to get the desired result. The point is, overall deaths did not increase across the board.

Numbers never lie. That's why liars use numbers. Any desired outcome can be reached.
 
Where sweden and NZ may report numbers in a similar fashion to the US, any numbers you see out of India are NOT accurate for comparison purposes. The govt there has no control of anything serious there. I have a couple friends that travel there for work and they have painted a very dark picture of things over there. People die and are buried by the family or large congregate graves, none of it is ever reported to any govt official. Any India stats are not accurate. Kinda like China suddenly has no infections, zero, none. Yeah, right.

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Mostly concur but most of the dead in the subcontinent are cremated. There is data from the BIG cities. Whatever data there is shows a peak back in July, and a decrease in deaths ever since. I would trust their medical reporting as much as ours. :lmao: What is your take on the OP article ??
 
if anything comes from a site like redstate people i think should read it wont. here it is from goin thru the restate link;



https://web.archive.org/web/2020112...1/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19



A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19



By YANNI GU | November 22, 2020
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COURTESY OF GENEVIEVE BRIAND

After retrieving data on the CDC website, Briand compiled a graph representing percentages of total deaths per age category from early February to early September.

According to new data, the U.S. currently ranks first in total COVID-19 cases, new cases per day and deaths. Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program at Hopkins, critically analyzed the effect of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths using data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in her webinar titled “COVID-19 Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data.”

From mid-March to mid-September, U.S. total deaths have reached 1.7 million, of which 200,000, or 12% of total deaths, are COVID-19-related. Instead of looking directly at COVID-19 deaths, Briand focused on total deaths per age group and per cause of death in the U.S. and used this information to shed light on the effects of COVID-19.

She explained that the significance of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths can be fully understood only through comparison to the number of total deaths in the United States.

After retrieving data on the CDC website, Briand compiled a graph representing percentages of total deaths per age category from early February to early September, which includes the period from before COVID-19 was detected in the U.S. to after infection rates soared.

Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.

“The reason we have a higher number of reported COVID-19 deaths among older individuals than younger individuals is simply because every day in the U.S. older individuals die in higher numbers than younger individuals,” Briand said.

Briand also noted that 50,000 to 70,000 deaths are seen both before and after COVID-19, indicating that this number of deaths was normal long before COVID-19 emerged. Therefore, according to Briand, not only has COVID-19 had no effect on the percentage of deaths of older people, but it has also not increased the total number of deaths.

These data analyses suggest that in contrast to most people’s assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.

This comes as a shock to many people. How is it that the data lie so far from our perception?

To answer that question, Briand shifted her focus to the deaths per causes ranging from 2014 to 2020. There is a sudden increase in deaths in 2020 due to COVID-19. This is no surprise because COVID-19 emerged in the U.S. in early 2020, and thus COVID-19-related deaths increased drastically afterward.

Analysis of deaths per cause in 2018 revealed that the pattern of seasonal increase in the total number of deaths is a result of the rise in deaths by all causes, with the top three being heart disease, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia.

“This is true every year. Every year in the U.S. when we observe the seasonal ups and downs, we have an increase of deaths due to all causes,” Briand pointed out.

When Briand looked at the 2020 data during that seasonal period, COVID-19-related deaths exceeded deaths from heart diseases. This was highly unusual since heart disease has always prevailed as the leading cause of deaths. However, when taking a closer look at the death numbers, she noted something strange. As Briand compared the number of deaths per cause during that period in 2020 to 2018, she noticed that instead of the expected drastic increase across all causes, there was a significant decrease in deaths due to heart disease. Even more surprising, as seen in the graph below, this sudden decline in deaths is observed for all other causes.
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COURTESY OF GENEVIEVE BRIAND

Graph depicts the number of deaths per cause during that period in 2020 to 2018.

This trend is completely contrary to the pattern observed in all previous years. Interestingly, as depicted in the table below, the total decrease in deaths by other causes almost exactly equals the increase in deaths by COVID-19. This suggests, according to Briand, that the COVID-19 death toll is misleading. Briand believes that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may instead be recategorized as being due to COVID-19.
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COURTESY OF GENEVIEVE BRIAND

Graph depicts the total decrease in deaths by various causes, including COVID-19.

The CDC classified all deaths that are related to COVID-19 simply as COVID-19 deaths. Even patients dying from other underlying diseases but are infected with COVID-19 count as COVID-19 deaths. This is likely the main explanation as to why COVID-19 deaths drastically increased while deaths by all other diseases experienced a significant decrease.

“All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers. We found no evidence to the contrary,” Briand concluded.

In an interview with The News-Letter, Briand addressed the question of whether COVID-19 deaths can be called misleading since the infection might have exacerbated and even led to deaths by other underlying diseases.

“If [the COVID-19 death toll] was not misleading at all, what we should have observed is an increased number of heart attacks and increased COVID-19 numbers. But a decreased number of heart attacks and all the other death causes doesn’t give us a choice but to point to some misclassification,” Briand replied.

In other words, the effect of COVID-19 on deaths in the U.S. is considered problematic only when it increases the total number of deaths or the true death burden by a significant amount in addition to the expected deaths by other causes. Since the crude number of total deaths by all causes before and after COVID-19 has stayed the same, one can hardly say, in Briand’s view, that COVID-19 deaths are concerning.

Briand also mentioned that more research and data are needed to truly decipher the effect of COVID-19 on deaths in the United States.

Throughout the talk, Briand constantly emphasized that although COVID-19 is a serious national and global problem, she also stressed that society should never lose focus of the bigger picture — death in general.

The death of a loved one, from COVID-19 or from other causes, is always tragic, Briand explained. Each life is equally important and we should be reminded that even during a global pandemic we should not forget about the tragic loss of lives from other causes.

According to Briand, the over-exaggeration of the COVID-19 death number may be due to the constant emphasis on COVID-19-related deaths and the habitual overlooking of deaths by other natural causes in society.

During an interview with The News-Letter after the event, Poorna Dharmasena, a master’s candidate in Applied Economics, expressed his opinion about Briand’s concluding remarks.

“At the end of the day, it’s still a deadly virus. And over-exaggeration or not, to a certain degree, is irrelevant,” Dharmasena said.

When asked whether the public should be informed about this exaggeration in death numbers, Dharmasena stated that people have a right to know the truth. However, COVID-19 should still continuously be treated as a deadly disease to safeguard the vulnerable population.
 
but i swear to god, if anybody attempts to end any of these lockdowns before we get another $3,500,000,000,000.00 emergency unfunded stimulus bailout package through congress, people will DIE from COVID!!?!!!???!!!

They could skim that much just getting Joe elected... oh, wait...
 
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